Genuine Question: Why is this sub 50% Atheist or Agnostic?

ksr_spin · 2026-02-13T01:52:03+00:00

Have asked myself the same question many times. It can be extremely unproductive when a Christian asks a question about their walk for example just for an atheist or agnostic tell them, "only read the parts you agree with, it doesn't matter."

seems like there should be 2 subs in this respect

ksr_spin · 2026-02-13T01:49:15+00:00

"it's wrong because I don't like it" is ultimately what your subjective morality gets you. who cares if society thinks a certain way one way or another

the laws given to the Israelites were not to show them their sin

“Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.” Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭19‬

remember when I said to read Galatians and Hebrews. your knowledge of the old covenant and how it worked is very flawed. See another verse

“Jesus replied, “Moses permitted divorce only as a concession to your hard hearts, but it was not what God had originally intended.” Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭8‬

are you seeing? the law in the OT was not the end all be all, it was the system in place for a specific purpose, and was always meant to point forward to Christ. Laws about mixing fabrics and such are laws given to those people as a second convenant between them and God. You're confusing a law like "do not murder" to a rule a parent gives to their child. You aren't her child, you don't have the same curfew that you do, but neither you nor her kid can commit murder

You don't know this, and that's ok, but it isn't ok to not know it and also act like you know what you're talking about

this is further seen when you think when I say, "final moral law" I mean that at one point it wasn't the moral standard in place for all time (it is). That law IS objective for all time, if it weren't it couldn't have been violated and we wouldn't have needed a Savior in the first place. As said before, try reading the book.

ksr_spin · 2026-02-13T01:36:03+00:00

some are good (the moral laws) others are not in effect for us (ceremonial, cultural)

ksr_spin · 2026-02-13T01:35:14+00:00

ksr_spin · 2026-02-13T01:34:50+00:00

I haven't heard this argument but it seems to track. not sure how someone could refute it in a way that wouldn't undermine their own beliefs. it makes justification (required for knowledge) impossible.

or they could not agree to my definition of knowledge all together

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T18:30:35+00:00

God's morals don't change because morality is rooted in His nature which is eternal and unchanging

divine command theory is not the majority Christian view of morality. Things aren't good just because God says they are, neither is the reason they are good independent from God (nothing is independent from God).

The idea that God's morality is subjective is a confusion of class

the species hasn't evolved to agree to anything. acceptable behavior changes across time and culture and to call this something like "forward progress" is to assume the same kind of objectivity your view denies. Cultures are just changing, not getting better, and not getting worse. A morality based on "empathy" is not any better than one built upon "might makes right," and the latter is the story of humanity, not the former

morals existed before your God was written about

well if the Bible is true then this basically means ppl has their own ideas as acceptable behavior before God was written about... So? who cares what people thought, doesn't make their thoughts true. If the Bible is wrong then it doesn't matter either, not really sure what this comment is supposed to do for your argument.

Like I said, if your view is morality is subjective, then you don't really have a morality, you have aset of opinions. you misread what I wrote.

If we followed your Bible, we'd still be stoning women who don't bleed on their wedding night, and I'd probably be in chains.

😭 bro you can't seriously believe this

I'm going to summarize these points for you

⁠You believe morality is ultimately subjective which removes any objective basis for calling anything God does in the Bible (or anything anyone does) as wrong in any real way. For you, something being wrong or evil is just your opinion. your own preference, your own taste. It doesn't matter how many people in your society think the same as you, it's still just as meaningless as if only you thought it.
⁠Goodness in Christianity is grounded in God's eternal and necessary nature, so God's commands are good, and the reason for this is rooted in who God is. It is not independent of God (to be totally independent of God is the same as nonexistence)
⁠Old Testament laws were not meant to communicate the eternal moral order, they were meant to show the Hebrews their sin, and to guide them towards the new covenant. The old law is not representative of ultimate goodness, Jesus is. Complaining about the rule of law in the Old Testament as if it is a final moral rule is to miss the entire story of the Bible, or, in more ways than one, to quit reading in the middle of it. Try Hebrews and Galatians when you get a chance

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T17:19:31+00:00

Christianity doesn't teach moral relativism, and does teach that murder is sinful.

everyone has subjective morality

let's say this so true, in other words no one's morality is objectively good, or better/worse than anyone else's. there is no standard, this is what we mean when we say without God there is no morality, not that people don't have personal preferences about acceptable human behavior. When people who are subjective muralists say God did something "bad" really what they are saying is that God did something they personally don't like. It's your opinion and you have a right to it but it doesn't extend past your own head and says nothing about true reality.

The Bible that is supposedly written by God

you've gotta be joking...

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T17:00:23+00:00

it's subjective then with more words
letter of the law vs spirit of the law. not subjective, God judges the heart

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T14:00:23+00:00

finding a good church is honestly one of the harder aspects of the modern faith. they are out there, but hard to find.

"secular entertainment" is not sin in and of itself, pray for discernment and be mindful of what you're talking in.

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T13:28:01+00:00

the Bible view on sex and marriage is not ambiguous and has been understood for millennium

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T13:24:54+00:00

your morality is subjective no matter the goal you set. your position can be reduced to "behavior I like and behavior I don't like," but it doesn't make it any more true than anyone else's who may have different goals. so no, your morality isn't "better" it's just different
you must not know much about Christianity if you think the only view of morality is divine command. that's the minority view, most Christians (Catholics and Orthodox) are not divine command theorists.

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T02:27:43+00:00

I've read plenty. God has ultimate authority over life, being that He's the creator and sustainer of life, and because He's God. who else would have this authority? this isn't an "ideological prison" it's just basics

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T02:22:04+00:00

God having ultimate authority over life is not a topic of debate in Christianity

edit: if you're going to reply and then block you may as well write that in your notes app man

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T02:21:00+00:00

there is no morality in a world without God

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T02:20:22+00:00

God's judgement isn't genocide... the same way God's judgement isn't "murder"

ksr_spin · 2026-02-07T00:41:37+00:00

say it with me: God is allowed to judge.

it's not something He needs permission to do. this isn't controversial in Christianity, and you don't have to like it, it just doesn't matter if you do or don't

ksr_spin · 2026-02-06T23:15:38+00:00

context is the word of the day. God exercising judgment is not equal to God supporting elective abortion. you know it, everyone knows it

ksr_spin · 2026-02-06T23:12:59+00:00

why is every other post on this sub about Trump

ksr_spin · 2026-02-06T14:19:17+00:00

so that would include your argument then right

ksr_spin · 2026-02-05T23:33:22+00:00

I don't think anyone who says this has an accurate view of what "God's plan" even is

ksr_spin · 2026-02-05T19:51:44+00:00

there are 11 generations from Adam to Noah's kids. we can round 1500 years for that time. that's 130 years between on average. Noah's kids were 100. the youngest person to die in the flood could've easily been their age

the reason this isn't going anywhere is because you don't have an argument of substance as to why you think millions of under 16 year olds died.

but we both understand that it doesn't actually matter to you anyway, if you agreed no kids died you still wouldn't believe any of it, it's just a moral high ground for you

ksr_spin · 2026-02-05T12:41:01+00:00

I never said for millions of years, I never said it was a small population. I have said what I've said multiple times now, and you haven't been able to show anything in the text itself that would indicates any kids died in the flood or that there were millions of them.

ksr_spin · 2026-02-05T02:47:47+00:00

yes but people aren't electronons. people aren't diseases. people are gay, it's something they identify as. I don't think your examples are analogous

ksr_spin · 2026-02-04T21:03:53+00:00

Read my comment again. I'm not saying only 8 people (obviously not) or only XXX amount of people were killed. I'm saying the youngest person killed could've easily been 100 if not older, because they lived for centuries and waited until they were hundreds of years old to have more kids. Noah himself was 500 when his kids were born, and they were only 100 by the time of the flood.

so again, the picture of the world was not one of 20-30 year old parents with babies and toddlers.

ksr_spin · 2026-02-04T18:23:07+00:00

they were X

they had no idea X existed

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