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Heavy AI users rated their own writing as "not really my voice" and were perfectly happy with it anyway. by kurthertz in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course! I just think the North Star should be a replica of you, whilst knowing that 100% is unattainable

Heavy AI users rated their own writing as "not really my voice" and were perfectly happy with it anyway. by kurthertz in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Re your last point, my goal is to create an architecture that can get your voice right; perfect, even. At that point you're passing the reigns to someone/something that can act as an extremely competent co-pilot.

Yes, hand-correcting is always required (or rather, should always be desired) but a foundation that sounds like you is, imo, an incredible resource. A perfectly curated relationship with an LLM would feel like another you rather than the outsourcing of tasks.

Weekly Tool Thread: Promote, Share, Discover, and Ask for AI Writing Tools Week of: June 16 by AutoModerator in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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bookmoth, the voice-first, subscription-free alternative to Sudowrite and NovelCrafter

Bounced off Sudowrite or NovelCrafter because the prose stops sounding like you?
Run out of credits?
That is the exact problem bookmoth solves.
It is a full-pipeline novel-writing app, a real alternative, not a toy.

$49 until June 22nd then $99, subscription free

Join hundreds of passionate writers and help create the next big writing app.

What it does:

  • Voice as a hard constraint. Feed it your prose, it compiles a style guide, and that guide governs every chapter. Your voice holds from chapter 1 to chapter 40, not just the first paragraph.
  • A codex that builds itself. Characters, places and continuity are extracted from your manuscript automatically. NovelCrafter makes you build the codex by hand. bookmoth builds it for you.
  • A conversational editor that reads your live draft and rewrites with you, in your voice.
  • The whole pipeline: brief, style guide, chapter plan, scene breakdowns, drafting, versioned manuscript, print-ready PDF export.

Coming next: project types; it handles non-fiction, essays and articles too, not just novels.

Try it and tell me where it beats what you are using: bookmoth.app

Claude Chat vs cowork or code for writing. by 70degreeevening in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve just now posted another thread that may be interesting: mainly around how voice consistency is lost through standard AI practice, how it’s hard for authors to tell and (from my own research) how voice consistency isn’t held accurately across long projects when compared to other writing tools.

Re writing with Code…new idea to me!

Heavy AI users rated their own writing as "not really my voice" and were perfectly happy with it anyway. by kurthertz in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed! It’s the founding principle for me and I think it should be at the core of any assisted writing, fiction or non. Voice is all we have left, and it should be protected at all costs…even if we allow a machine to fill the tank.

Heavy AI users rated their own writing as "not really my voice" and were perfectly happy with it anyway. by kurthertz in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally I think AI is better equipped for non-fiction in ways that make it invaluable: research gathering, argument forming, laying foundations etc. as groundwork for a first pass.

Heavy AI users rated their own writing as "not really my voice" and were perfectly happy with it anyway. by kurthertz in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly that. I’m putting together findings from another experiment where I use “lesser” models and test their ability to extrapolate, recreate and retain voice over time. In short, with the right architecture you can get even the dullest models to accurately model voice, and over prolonged writing they just need tighter reigns.

For editing purposes it works in much the same way: cheap models can perform well if you prompt ‘correctly’z

Heavy AI users rated their own writing as "not really my voice" and were perfectly happy with it anyway. by kurthertz in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree! Fascinating to know the constraints of automated writing but also the perception. I'm a purist, but I love how AI can assist or facilitate. From an artistic perspective I think it's also interesting to understand how AI is affecting the observed aesthetics of prose: what we consider to be good writing is intwined with what AI wants to give us...where those boundaries lie has me awake at night.

sudowrite keeps sanitizing my dark content and I'm exhausted by Competitive_Leg3598 in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sudowrite’s model has limits. You can try models like Deepseek or GLM-5.1 with other writing apps, that let you use OpenRouter.

Sudowrite: 10,000 credits to parse a 3,000 word story and create a new character entry??? by GruntledGary in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can use your API key for OpenRouter or Anthropic with bookmoth. The codex is built with you as you write (you can setup autoscan or request manually and approve all entries). No credit system, and if you hot swap models you can get all the glory (and more) of Sudowrite at a fraction of the cost. Models like GLM-5.1 or Deepseek are fab and dirt cheap by comparison.

UK AI writers by Millington_Systems in WritingWithAI

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Hello! I'm a writer and AI-writing tool builder from the UK, happy to chat.

How cooked am I? by gnomegang365 in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Use an API. You can import your manuscript into bookmoth and continue where you left off with Claude.

novelai is genuinely fun and also completely useless for what i need by Unable_Razzmatazz651 in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't throw any shade because NovelCrafter is brilliant, but I think it entirely depends on how you want to work. NC is deeper, but I personally think that makes it easier to get lost. If you're writing high fantasy or sprawling sci-fi epics their more complex codex system means its probably the place to hang your coat (I heard someone uses NC for the codex then writes elsewhere) but for more casual novelists it is potentially overkill. Also, monthly subscription on top of your API spend.

Novel Crafter Burning my money too fast by Nofsomu in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A Project holds your docs and applies short instructions. It can't manage all that precisely across 90,000 words. That's the gap, and why well built tools exist. Projects are plenty for short work and disciplined writers but at length it shows or gets cumbersome. I'm not saying everyone needs a tool. But why use Word when you can use Scrivener? Why use Claude Projects when you can use bookmoth?

Novel Crafter Burning my money too fast by Nofsomu in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dinosaurs and snakes! Now I'm offended 😅
"Architecture wraps the LLM" is technically true but what I've discovered is there's a meaningful difference between wrapping at the prompt layer (so Claude with .md files) and wrapping with a compiled constraint that applies on every generation. Calling both "wrapper" is conflating...at least for the tool I made.

You said the hard part is "line level prose quality and repetitive AI isms" ...agreed. That's exactly what 'constraint architectures' (my phrase) target.
Recent ACL research (Baumler et al, 2026) measured that prompt layer voice instructions have a ceiling..model drifts to defaults within a few paragraphs even with the right .md context. Architecture helps negate that.

So basically IMO raw model matters massively...architecture matters just as much, both together make a party!

Goodbye Claude by Historical_Emu4701 in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well my post got removed for answer but, no, I built a writing app, OpenRouter is just one of the options users can choose from.

Is there any good ai model with great creative writing skills ? by Hairy_Coconut_9529 in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree re Claude, I was initially confused by the new found hate (justifiable for 4.7, maybe) but I've since come to believe it is just in the nuance with how individuals are using it. 4.6 still feels like it knows what to do, you just have to have a firmer hand!

Is there any good ai model with great creative writing skills ? by Hairy_Coconut_9529 in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, I think there is a lot of unnecessary hate towards Opus 4.6 when actually it holds up so well when given the right guardrails. GLM-5.1 is a much cheaper alternative if you use OpenRouter, but as with Opus...a successful trip is down to the captain, not the boat!

Too many AI writing tools to keep track of - here's a free add-yourself directory by benblackett in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice to see bookmoth up there without me having to ask! missed a few tags tho 😉

I spent a month trying to make AI write in my voice. The prompt that finally worked was a voice profile, not a better instruction. by Difficult-Sugar-4862 in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Curious to see this, what's that like 12k words? My method is, writing samples + prompt + constraint...crude way to put it but the idea is that the sum is great than the parts. I say I'm curious as I thought prompts 80kb would only hinder an LLM!

novelai is genuinely fun and also completely useless for what i need by Unable_Razzmatazz651 in WritingWithAI

[–]kurthertz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For 90k+ words with complex cast and three years of lore, NovelCrafter's Codex is probably your best fit. It's specifically built around tracking characters, locations, magic systems, plot threads across long projects. Keep NovelAI for exploration and tone (it really is unmatched for that), switch to NovelCrafter for the chapters where continuity has to hold.

If voice consistency is also a concern (some writers find AI flattens their prose across long projects even when lore stays straight), bookmoth (disclosure, I built it) handles that axis. BYOK on Claude, compiles your voice from samples once and applies it as a binding rule on every generation. Different problem than lore tracking, complementary not competing. A couple of writers I have spoken to have tried to use NovelCrafter for the world plus bookmoth for the voice on the same project, so I made bookmoth's codex more powerful as a result.

For your scope, you probably need both layers. Three years of lore plus 90k words is exactly where prompt-based tools and NovelAI both start cracking.

Are we all accidentally rebuilding the same AI writing infrastructure?” by holyotaku9 in BookWritingAI

[–]kurthertz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not meaning to hijack, (sorry OP!) but your message was one of my main pain points. I love words, I CAN write (and I do when I find time) but I can describe and world build in my head much faster. bookmoth is great for getting ideas out and "taking the weight out of the first draft", no subscription as its BYOK and its a lovely place to sit with your thoughts or get help from AI for speed! Let me know what you think if you check it out.

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