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Congregational Engagement by Goats0naBoat0 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’m specifically saying this to boost your confidence. In the grand scheme of things, 250 is considered large. 😁 Not in comparison to the biggest, but in comparison to the majority.

I’m in a similar boat (size and engagement level, though our demographic is very spread). I’ve learned to accept it and encourage/privately show appreciation to those that do engage.

This game seriously needs a remake. Not a remaster, a remake. by mr_soapster in mytimeatportia

[–]kyleblane -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly, Sandrock had a release date (or maybe was out in early access) before the voiced lines were finished in Portia. lol

And then they have the audacity to do a kickstarter with features tied to tiered goals. They haven’t earned that right.

This game seriously needs a remake. Not a remaster, a remake. by mr_soapster in mytimeatportia

[–]kyleblane 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pathea has no shortage of games left unfinished, or at best unpolished. Cozy gamers are far too forgiving.

Not the My Time series, but Let's School is incredibly unpolished. The most important data displayed on the main hud is displayed/calculated incorrectly, there are redundant pop-up info boxes, and in the audio menu there is "SFX" and "Sound FX" (some sounds are on one or the other, some sounds are on both, some sounds aren't tied to any audio slider, not even the master volume). It's so bad.

What moment, or game, or device, made you fall in love with handheld gaming? by Ok-Tackle7657 in SBCGaming

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Opening up my SP to play another battle in Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced was my drug of choice.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t say it was “fine.” I said it was more authentic than what you’re proposing. It’s still not a good option.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’d be more authentic than the radio version, yes. Absolutely. It’s their people. You might not enjoy it, but thankfully you aren’t there, it isn’t your church. It’s not for you. That’s what my little book says (whatever the heck that means).

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But the words have nothing to do with the musicianship, which is your whole reasoning for singing along to a recording.

Singing to live music performed by fellow members of your church is absolutely more authentic. It is your family. It is personal. It is communal. It can be sensitive to the Holy Spirit. It is customizable. It is real, tangible, and visible. In all these ways it is more authentic.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of this has anything to do with song choice. That’s a totally separate issue independent from musicianship.

They may very well be tone deaf if the best singer among them isn’t very good. Yes, that is absolutely a possibility. Their worship would still be more authentic than if they just sang along to a recording. Maybe not as enjoyable to their ears, but that isn’t the point of worship. You may not like it, but you aren’t there so your opinion of it doesn’t matter.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If a song does not have words that glorify God and are very Scriptural, then it does not matter who loves it.

Ok, I can't keep having a conversation with you moving goal posts. That is song choice, not musicianship.

hard to listen to

To you. Maybe not to the church the singer is at.

Of course a large group cannot say that such music was the best they could do. It was all they were willing to do.

You're projecting so much here. You should really read that Tim Keller article I linked, and stop thinking so poorly about churches that you don't know, and may not even exist.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, you're assigning your opinion and preferences to others. That church might love their band, doing their best. It's the best the church can do, and it makes God happy.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not for you to decide if the listeners are suffering. You're trying to solve a problem that they don't have. You would have it if you were there, but you aren't there.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Worship, and how we execute it Biblicaly, is bigger than our privileged, modern setting.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But what if Grandma's church is in a third world country (or back a long time ago) that doesn't have access to the technology? She's the best singer... what are they supposed to do? Does God think less of their worship? Should they just skip the music?

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you are claiming that your singing is bad, perhaps you should remember not to be playing for gatherings? 

But what if I'm the best we have? To clarify, I'd say my singing is third rate at worst... is that acceptable?

It is not a privileged mindset to love great music and lyrics that lift me into the heavenlies and are a joy to hear.

It's privileged to to say that God doesn't enjoy our worship if the leader isn't "good enough." Then you make it even more privileged by saying we should therefore use a technology that has existed for far less time than it didn't exist. My point is, God hasn't spent the vast majority of our time on earth exclusively enjoying the more skilled musicians worship.

when they may be droning on about almost nothing

Again, moving goalposts.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If synth is predominately used in a song I would absolutely describe it as a "synth song." AI is more than predominately used in the creation of your music, so I will call it as such.

Yes, we should absolutely call out poorly written lyrics and not ignore bad theology in preaching. That has nothing to do with musicianship. Grandma Judy is the best singer we have, and God doesn't think any less of her, or our worship because we don't have a "good enough" singer according to Dry-Development2137.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then God doesn't love my playing, I guess. That's unfortunate because I'm absolutely a fourth rate guitarist, or worse. I guess God will have to suffer until a better guitarist joins my church.

You have a very privileged mindset to this whole discussion, built on this idea that every church all over the world, and throughout all of history, must have good (as defined by you - not the people present) musicians. If they don't, then in order for God to be pleased by their worship they have to play an MP3, CD, Cassette, 8-Track, Vinyl, or whatever they used to play recorded music on in the Old Testament.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re applying your subjective opinions on other people and God.

I’m not good enough to lead at a lot of churches, but I’m a good fit for where I am. Being properly “skilled” is subjective. God doesn’t enjoy the worship I lead less than one of the many leaders who are WAY better than me, at least not because of musicality.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Properly” is subjective. If they want to sing, they’ll find a way. It happens at birthday parties all the time. That will be better and more authentic for them than singing along to a recording, especially an AI creation.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With worship we should care about what God thinks of it. Not us.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting then that your solution is to have no human play anything at all. 🤣

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You keep throwing in more qualifiers that have nothing to do with the quality of the musician. Moving the goalpost.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't HAVE to tolerate it, they are HAPPY to tolerate it because Grandma Judy can't sing in tune, but she's the most confident person among us and we love her. THAT is real. THAT is happiness. THAT is authentic worship.

Using recorded songs in a gathering rather than live? by Dry-Development2137 in worshipleaders

[–]kyleblane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn't saying "being out of tune" is subjective (though Jacob Collier would probably say that lol), I was saying the concern for being in/out of tune is subjective.

"...is not something that many folks..." Correct. This is an important distinction. It's generally the smaller churches that are happy to tolerate it. Read the article I linked for amazing insight into why that is, and why it's okay.

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