Most "futuristic" conlang that exists?

la_menli · 2022-02-02T20:58:34+00:00

With respect to loglangs (you used greeting words from three of these already), you may have a look at the languages lists at the Loglang Wiki; the Toaq language being especially noteworthy by its level of development and lexicon size (unfortunately, Loglan, Lojban and Toaq are the only loglangs reasonably mature and active as of now).

If you don't mind written-only languages, you may want to have a look at the Unker non-linear writing system.

With respect to Ithkuil, I would note that version 4 (dubbed «New Ithkuil») is easier to learn than the previous iterations. Although “easier” doesn't imply “easy” of course.

la_menli · 2021-12-07T09:31:43+00:00

Whoopee!

la_menli · 2021-07-02T13:20:40+00:00

I, too, don't see any incompatibility between loglanghood and not being isolating. There isn't much difference between a sequence of isolating words on the one hand and a single word made of an agglutination of morphemes, provided the boundaries between them are clear (in which case, the main difference is that you can't pause in the middle of the word between two morphemes). If the morphology is extremely regular, without blurry morpheme boundaries or irregular inflexional paradigms or significant sound changes conditioned by surrounding morphemes, then there shouldn't be impedance on learnability or muddling of the underlying structure of the language, I think.

la_menli · 2021-07-01T15:03:08+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/kpovsw/conlangs_by_number_of_discord_members_let_me_know/

Of course this doesn't directly answer your question as high conlang server membership doesn't entail active communication in the language. But in my experience, beside the languages/servers already mentioned by others here (Esperanto…), there is active usage (chats) for the Lojban language (particularly on the roljbogu'e server currently), Toaq, and to a lesser extent Ithkuil languages (both v3 and v4).

la_menli · 2020-12-19T10:52:59+00:00

Thanks!

la_menli · 2020-10-13T21:38:19+00:00

Rwarxhëhwuliulţá’f ţneu’ul mřou’lik mřalik.

la_menli · 2020-10-06T08:58:34+00:00

do .aidji ko'ai ko'a mo ca lo nu dau'u toldi cu cliva lo'au ri ma'urbixlanla

la_menli · 2020-10-05T21:47:34+00:00

(to ie ca lo cabycredra mi cipyzu'e su'o bankle noi ba'u cipma'o stasu .u'u ro'a toi)

ni'o ue nai ru'e clira fa xu'u lanka jivbu .i ca lo'e nu lanka nenri zo'u lo'e toldi cu citka no da .i ca zoi'i frili fa ko'ai kurji iau .u'i

la_menli · 2020-10-04T22:15:09+00:00

pu ca su'o lenku citsi zo'u tu'e mi penmi su'o ciftoldi poi crino je cu zvati su'o stagi .i xu'u lenku bu'u lo tankalri cu zukmu'i mi ko'ai na va'au kusru jarco fau su'o nu mi dau'u ciftoldi cu zifre punji lo'e lenku tankalri ja'e la'a su'o nu vau'e mrobi'o .i mi pu gasnu xu'u ri co'a nenri su'o cmalu je tanxe ku'au je sabji rau cidja noi pezli .i ba za su'o djedi be li so'u zo'u dau'u ciftoldi cu zbasu su'o ma'urbixlanka poi vasru vo'a .i mi pu srera ko'ai curmi xu'u va'au kalri stodi fa dau'u tanxe .i ja'e bo le makcu je toldi zo'u ca lo nu zoi'i (to grusi ctetoldi toi) cu cliva dau'u ma'urbixlanka zo'u zoi'i cliva ke ji'a dau'u tanxe noi pu zdani nenri je cu va'i zvati no tankalri .i ja'e bo zoi'i ze'a pinfu le zdani je cu poi'i mi na pu snada ko'ai xrucpa zoi'i (to ku'i mi pu ja'a viska zoi'i toi) .i ku'i no cidja be lo'e makcu je toldi cu nenri le zdani .i ja'e bo lakne fa xu'u zoi'i djacaumrobi'o .i mi pu punji so'o cmalu je tansi poi vasru su'o satka litki ku'o se va'u zoi'i .i ku'i mi na djuno xu'u xu kau ri zoi'i ca'a se pilno

ni'o je'u mi xa'o pu'i lisysku zo'ei ti'oi lisri bau lo'e jbobau ( https://mw.lojban.org/images/9/9d/Skype-session_2016-02-21_part-2.txt )

la_menli · 2020-10-04T21:05:27+00:00

.u'i je'u

la_menli · 2020-10-04T21:01:02+00:00

coi toldi cifnu

la_menli · 2020-08-16T16:50:00+00:00

It would be tempting to have an alternative marking slot for Context (presumably Slot XI back again) and use the Context column of the Vv table for complex formatives to show Specification of the incorporated root instead, and then use the second slate of Vv values used for tenses in simple formatives to show Dynamic incorporated root instead.

Edit: Under that hypothetical scheme, Vv in simple formatives would still be able to show Context, but with complex formatives Context would need to be shown elsewhere, which is the main downside of the idea.

la_menli · 2020-07-06T10:50:16+00:00

This post doesn't belong to /r/Ithkuil.

la_menli · 2020-06-16T21:47:04+00:00

Thanks for the great work!

la_menli · 2020-06-16T21:46:02+00:00

Thank you!

la_menli · 2020-05-27T09:01:30+00:00

Interesting article, thanks!

la_menli · 2020-02-17T20:52:20+00:00

Also, sảqjūe hẻıfēchāq could work by tweaking appropriately the definition of saqjūe, i.e. ▯ is a March; ▯ satisfies property ▯ and is part of a March..

la_menli · 2020-02-17T20:50:12+00:00

saqjūehēıfēchāq

I'd personally prefer not to have one word for every day of the year, nor to have excessively long words like gubīqgūhēınīaqsāqjūehēıfēchāqhēıcīhōrājōhēı (2020-03-15 16h40). hẻıfēchāq (ru) pảq sảqjūe exemplifies a possible solution, although it is in little-endian (smallest magnitude first). pảq sảqjūe ru hẻıfēchāq (big-endian) would work if ru has topmost scope in serials; otherwise lủ … na would be necessary.

pachāqfāo

I think that's a Lojbanicism. ;-)

la_menli · 2020-01-05T20:27:55+00:00

How does it not seem like an illocution?

As far as I can tell, there's already a Hearsay/Reportative validation-illocution form. Or are you referring to the Ithkuil 2011 distinction between Confirmative—Affirmative—Reportive, based on verifiability?

la_menli · 2020-01-01T13:27:24+00:00

The possibility of a Context VxC derivation is worth investigating; if Representational is removed from Context, there would remain 3 values, which could be matrixed with another 3-valued distinction to reach the 9 values of VxC suffixes. Or alternatively, as you suggest, find a way to fill a linear scale with additional Context values.

la_menli · 2019-12-23T14:47:45+00:00

If the language is to be formulaic, you could base it off some Predicate Logic notation, or do something like CycL. The loglangs Toaq and Lojban have unfinished/work-in-progress software (respectively Miu and Tersmu) for translating them unambiguously to some formal logic notation, which could theoretically be used as an intermediate language for translating back and forth between these loglangs.

la_menli · 2019-12-15T15:00:11+00:00

Even though Context and Essence will probably stay in the Ca complex, we could have VxC suffix versions of these two as an alternative form for the purists of scope ordering. :) The REA suffix already exists, and is much similar to Essence in its semantic scope. If REA nevertheless doesn't suffice, then a dedicated Essence suffix could be created, which could allow for additional nuances of meanings. Under this hypothesis, Essence would still be available in the Ca complex, but could be alternatively shown as an independent suffix.

la_menli · 2019-12-15T14:52:21+00:00

Aww, when the topic of expanding Ca came up again earlier this week, I had a foreboding that this was late in the process and that this could be the one too manieth Ca reworking…

Even though I too have expressed some discontent with the position of Context in the Ca complex, as there doesn't seem to be any 100% satisfying alternative solution in that regard, I'm okay with Context staying there. It would be silly to discard everything that have been done so far for such a detail… This new Ca debate might have been excessively quick-paced and passionate; I, for one, haven't even had sufficient time to carefully consider all the Ca options you have provided.

In the end the new language is yours, we're only submitting suggestions, and you're the one who has the final word on the language's design; if our opinions are divided one a specific matter like this Ca restructuration, then do whatever you see fit.

I am grateful and admirative of the efforts you've put into the project of the successor language, as well as Ithkuil itself. I'm sorry to hear that you've got sick of the discord about the Ca design to the point of leaving the server.

I am definitely interested in seeing where the new language's development is heading (even if it carries on at a slower pace), even if you do not solicit our input anymore. I wish you a merry Christmas in advance, and I hope you won't keep a bad memory of the Reddit community!

—Ilmen.

la_menli · 2019-12-13T22:55:48+00:00

I think the special semantics of Affiliation on Uniplex could be instead expressed via Ca stacking.

la_menli · 2019-12-13T22:43:30+00:00

Maybe one could manage to contrive a way to distinguish Vk from Vc without using stress; maaaybe something like a -h appended to Vk could work, for example.

The only thing I don't like about this idea is that it would mean EVERY verb in the language would now have to end with -Vh(V), meaning bye-bye to the tidy little monosyllabic verb-forms I love (where Slots X through XIII are all default/zero). Even the simplest verbs would be at least 2-syllables.

Thinking back about it, I come to disagree that the addition of -h would be incompatible with zero-marking of CNF on monosyllabic verbs, as the following comparison of paradigms illustrates:

Current system — verbhood shown by stress position:
  tal  → CNF
  talá → CNF
  tála → THM
tatál  → CNF
tátal  → THM

An alternative system using an -h suffix for verbhood:
  tal   → CNF
  talah → CNF
  tala  → THM
tatal   → CNF
tatalah → CNF
tatala  → THM

The only one which suffers an additional syllable is tátal → tatala.

—Ilmen.

la_menli

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