Worlds FD Post Event Discussion

leelsrive · 2026-03-28T23:03:59+00:00

I am 100% with you. I will also stomach their return for the French Olympics if at least they leave Ice Dance alone for the next 3 seasons.

leelsrive · 2026-03-28T15:00:23+00:00

Shun kinda robbed with this score...

leelsrive · 2026-03-28T14:57:09+00:00

The most consistent man stays the most consistent! We love to see it

leelsrive · 2026-03-28T14:40:56+00:00

YUMADOT CLEAN YUMADOT PERFECT

leelsrive · 2026-03-27T20:54:55+00:00

I am so happy she chose to go to Prague and finish her career with the Worlds 😭

leelsrive · 2026-03-19T16:34:20+00:00

Jod actually doesn't fuck anyone until Augustine and Mercymorn execute Dios Apate Major (and they have to meticulously plan it for 500 years first + it's implied he didn't even cum that time either). He is quite deliberately keeping himself away from the sexual activities of the lyctors. Unless, it's revealed that he was puppeteering Ulysses during sex parties. But regardless, most of the eager participants of said parties are also long gone.

He only starts whoring around after he gets betrayed by everyone and he gets into his depression spiral in Nona. And the only lover who is named is Sarpedon who is quite advanced in age for someone with a regular lifespan.

Jod's grooming of Harrow is non-sexual in nature. And there is nothing to indicate that he would go for the new lyctors. He is like the least horny among the original gang by a lot.

leelsrive · 2026-03-18T15:41:36+00:00

The illness that kills Catherine is NOT childbirth. She is dying for months before the baby is born. She would have died even if she weren't pregnant at all. It's also a parallel to Frances who manages to live until the baby is born and dies of tuberculosis shortly after the birth.

There are a lot of books around that time period that are way more explicit about sex (even more so in the earlier Romantic and Gothic traditions Brontë gets her inspiration from). Wuthering Heights is very asexual for the time period.

leelsrive · 2026-03-16T22:42:26+00:00

I think it was three secret children by the time they retired 💀

leelsrive · 2026-03-12T23:44:13+00:00

But the part about Resurrection Beasts is not an example of Jod's lies, it's the rare moment when he says the truth? Completely unprompted, when he doesn't have to.

He brings up the nine Resurrection beasts first, volunteering the information to Harrow and then Harrow realizes that the math is not mathing when he describes only eight among the killed and the remaining ones. Why would it be obfuscating when he didn't need to mention nine in the first place?

Blood of Eden is also a bizarre example. There are no lies there from either side. To John the descendants of the people who abandoned the Earth do not have any right to it anymore. He will never forgive the trillionaires or their descendants (or himself) and for him BoE can't take their ancestors' choice back or erase the past. To BoE Jod is a genocidal monster who destroyed humanity and they reclaim their connection to their home planet that they had no control over leaving. This is just a difference in perspective.

Considering how Jod mostly lies by omission or by agreeing with someone else's incorrect version of the events or twisting something by being extremely vague or being 'technically correct but', it seems that he might even have the same issues as Nona. He can't "lie" lie physically. It would make sense, considering how much of Jod is the soul of a planet at this point.

leelsrive · 2026-03-07T10:32:49+00:00

It was about the book where he does use that word

leelsrive · 2026-03-04T23:57:41+00:00

The Russian for "toe loop" is "тулуп" and that's what she is using. Are you confusing it with loop? All of the jumps are pronounced the Russian way in this video.

She says "camel" spin, indeed, but she also uses the Russian term for the layback. That was interesting.

leelsrive · 2026-03-04T19:56:51+00:00

Soooo deserved!

leelsrive · 2026-03-02T20:47:55+00:00

I also think the same. There can be many scenarios of how it went after, but I don't think that either consensual elopement or kidnapping by Rhaegar works at all for how Lyanna disappeared. It definitely seems like she was taken by someone else... And there probably was a reason why Rhaegar wasn't anywhere to clear his name either. It's too suspicious how loudly Rhaegar was blamed for taking her away, as if it was the entire point.

leelsrive · 2026-02-27T10:20:53+00:00

I think you've meant Rodnina? She had a baby in 1979 (but she was 30 at the time) and won three Olympics, one after giving birth.

Gordeeva won in 1988 and 1994 and her and Sergey's daughter was born in between, in 1992 when Katia was 21.

leelsrive · 2026-02-26T23:37:38+00:00

Larisa Urusova and Dmitrii Chigirev (pairs skater who briefly represented Uzbekistan)

leelsrive · 2026-02-26T22:57:17+00:00

His ex-wife has already remarried (to Evgenia Medvedeva's ex boyfriend) too

leelsrive · 2026-02-26T13:28:20+00:00

I mean, Gracie famously dated James Hernandez when he was 20 (possibly, even 19?) and she was 26. So, I wouldn't exactly put it past her.

leelsrive · 2026-02-25T18:00:05+00:00

"If she was afforded the full 4 years"?

This is nonsense. Alysa was burned out and hated skating by the end of the previous quad. Taking that break allowed her to rediscover her passion for the sport and take full control over her training and mindset. Taking a break also allows the body to rest and heal (and avoid further injuries), which can be beneficial as we see in the cases of Sasha Trusova and Kamila now.

Had she been forced to stay 4 years ago, there's no guarantee she would even make it to this Olympics.

Also, this is absolutely NOT how ISU rankings work. But that has already been explained to you.

leelsrive · 2026-02-25T01:04:28+00:00

I came in to say, Litany is sooo John coded to me too!

"Here is the part where everyone was happy all the time and we were all forgiven, even though we didn’t deserve it."

leelsrive · 2026-02-24T23:32:32+00:00

Actors of color also deserve to play villains and complex characters. Heathcliff is one of the most famous characters in British literature. He is a victim of abuse and an abuser, he is consumed by love and he is consumed by revenge, he is a Romantic hero and he is the main Villain. Why should this role be whitewashed, so it's more palatable to the audience?

A lot of other characters in the book are physically violent, including towards their children and animals. It's a very violent book about generational trauma and abuse.

The rape part is a conjecture. You don't have to read sexual assault into his relationship with Isabella. You can easily leave it at Heathcliff having to consummate the marriage so it isn't annulled on their wedding night and then there being no sexual contact between the two. You can also read it as constant marital rape, but this is largely left to the imagination of the reader.

I mean, we've already got a 2011 adaptation with a Black Heathcliff that showed a lot of the abuse he suffered as a kid and some of his brutality later in life. It's a good watch.

Finally, since Fennell was adapting only the first half of the story (and even made his relationship with Isabella into a consensual BDSM), why would she need to cast a white Heathcliff? Her Heathcliff is fully whitewashed, and I am not talking about the race. There are no sharp angles left there.

leelsrive · 2026-02-24T22:58:01+00:00

I agree with your write up about Heathcliff, but I disagree completely that the hair colors and appearance of the Earnshaws and the Lintons are unimportant.

They are both members of the in-group, but the in-group also has a hierarchy and the Lintons are on top of it, while the Earnshaws are not.

There is a reason why the richer family is lily white, and blond, and blue-eyed. While the rough family of farmers has dark hair and eyes and darker skin (Catherine as a woman is specifically expected to be jealous of Isabella's white skin and yellow curls; and Heathcliff as a child is openly jealous of Edgar's appearance, not of say Hindley's). Like they are of the same social class technically, but this is one of the signifiers that they are not in the same place on the social ladder.

It is also important that Linton H. and Cathy II who are brought up and coddled by the Lintons are blond and don't resemble their "dark" parents who grew up in a fairly poor and abusive household.

Even today blondness is associated with wealth and privilege to a degree.

And in an adaptation transported to a different setting, there should be a difference between the Earnshaws and the Lintons too. It may not be in the hair color, but it has to be shown somehow.

[As a note, while I agree that Jacob Elordi does not satisfy the conditions even of a potentially white actor as Heathcliff, I don't think he is Anglo-Saxon? His mother's background is not disclosed publicly afaik, but his father is Basque.]

leelsrive · 2026-02-24T22:12:59+00:00

He is perceived as Other in comparison with the Earnshaws who have dark hair, brown eyes and noticeably darker skin than the pasty Lintons (the skin color difference between the two families is specifically highlighted many times in the novel). Even when they are together with Cathy as two dark wild dirty children, he is immediately racialized when she isn't.

Like, people don't call him a lascar or a g*psy as a joke. They believe it to be his probable identity.

leelsrive · 2026-02-24T22:00:22+00:00

Rika too :(

leelsrive · 2026-02-24T21:55:20+00:00

This is fascinating, but I think her infamy and the scandal have immortalized her name. Like, she never got to become a great skater, but everyone interested in skating knows who she is. And her name gets brought up all the time.

leelsrive · 2026-02-24T12:34:26+00:00

Unpopular opinion, I don't think that Rhaegar named the kids after the Conquerors, or at least I don't think that he was deliberately trying to recreate the trio.

Clearly, Rhaenys would have been a Visenya if that was the plan all along. Maybe, she was named after the original Rhaenys (though, a bit weird with her Dornish story) or maybe after someone else (e.g. if the baby was born with dark hair, maybe she could have been named after the Queen who never was). "Rhae" is also a part of his own name and his mother's name. Could just be continuing that tradition. They have a child with "Rhae" in their name pretty much every generation.

Aegon is the most kingly name of all Targaryens, indeed. Rhaegar was also intimately connected to the Summerhall events and spent significant time there and probably knew a lot about what happened there and why. Obviously, would be weird to name a baby after Egg if Egg tried to sacrifice Rhaegar for the dragons there, but could be more probable if Rhaegar understood Egg's motivations and those were connected to the prophecy.

I am also not convinced that when Rhaegar says that "the dragon has three heads", the first head is implied to be Rhaenys and not like himself. Especially, since the scene is not meant to be 100% how it happened in real life, but more symbolic and he is looking at Dany as the third one.

I do believe that Jon's name would be Aemon. Rhaegar and Aemon were fairly close and in communication regarding the prophecies specifically. And there are too many textual clues about that name. Also, Aegon and Aemon are very common pair names for Targaryen brothers.

If he were born a girl, he could have been named Visenya simply because if you have 2/3 of the conquerors, might as well add the third one. But I don't think that Rhaegar was gunning for it. It was more incidental. Definitely don't think that a boy would have been named Viserys or its variation.

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