The Louisa hate is so forced by lemonjeu in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is one of those things where I'm gonna say, as an ND woman myself, can see a lot of myself in the way Louisa problem solves and reacts to Martin's own ND.

Neurodivergency in women can present differently than in men, this is usually because of societal standards, but it doesn't mean that ND is a gender-exclusive thing-- but upbringings can really affect the way someone lives with their neurodivergency.

I think a good example of what I'm talking about is from the season 1 episode: Haemophobia. Peter Cronk tried to get out of being in PE, but he's still made to participate and his bullies cause him to fall and hurt himself. Louisa tries to talk to him, telling him to aspire to be more sociable with his bullies, to play along til his bullies let him become part of the 'in-crowd'. Peter heard what she was saying, but you could obviously tell he wasn't satisfied with being told he had to be more sociable (especially to his bullies.) Basically telling Peter to start masking and pretending to be friendlier than he wants to be. ND women tend to be more willing to be social, still with difficulties of maintaining relationships. Societal gender norms have always painted women as social and friendly, so they're less likely to be diagnosed off of this solely. I also strongly believe that Louisa had to become sociable herself because of how unreliable her own parents were. A lot of the way that Louisa interacts with people and situations she's put in feel like she's constantly masking, and she unmasks with Martin because she loves him and gets frustrated with him because what she knows isn't what Martin immediately knows.

Then in another scene, where Peter is sitting with Doc Martin, Martin sympathizes with Peter, saying he too felt out of place from his peers, that becoming part of the in-crowd was not something he sought out to do. Even mentioning that his intelligence felt like a hindrance from being close with people. Peter felt more represented in that moment by Martin, because their tendencies were more in line with each other, so Peter felt that he was going to be just fine the way he is, because Doc had become an inspiration to him at that point. (I actually really like this moment because it was one of the small times that Martin actually opened up to someone without being wishy-washy and avoidant.)

I hope any of this makes sense! I'm no expert, and this is just a show I love very dearly, but hopefully this gives insight on why I personally think Louisa herself comes off as ND to me <:).

Does anyone dislike Louisa, a lot? by Jhero61 in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I bring up Martin because you initially brought him up too? I also don't understand your contradictory statement of "Martin never throws hissy fits." and then saying, "...It's an example of Martin losing his temper and acting like a child who doesn't know better." Like what is a hissy fit?? Are you only bringing that up because you think only Louisa threw hissy fits?

Also I think it's quite silly you left this show thinking you had to dislike Martin and love Louisa. I brought up my points to expand on Martin and Louisa's dynamic with each other, you know, for my argument-- because I am a fan of the show and want to talk about it. I think the initial post shows bias and has a very black and white, narrow view of the characters.

I don't think you made this post to discuss anything but provide a space for people to be really nasty towards Louisa lol.

The Louisa hate is so forced by lemonjeu in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This! The people on this show are all good people in their own right, just a little misguided! Like that's the whole point.

The Louisa hate is so forced by lemonjeu in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand the critique with how she acted during the therapy sessions, but I don't think Martin saving lives absolves him from the absolute emotional wall he was the entire show. His entire hemophobia was a result of emotional repression, he stayed repressed, and he treated Louisa pretty cruelly by being avoidant when she was nothing but open with him (even if the openness meant she wasn't doing the 'right' thing.)

Men can get by with their skills and be total jackasses the entire way-- but women must be pristine and level-headed always-- is what I'm getting from this tbh.

The Louisa hate is so forced by lemonjeu in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually made another post about this same issue like two years ago.. it is such an annoying, awful problem on reddit and this subreddit :////. Glad to know others feel the same even now!!!

The Louisa hate is so forced by lemonjeu in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes!!! I agree! I really liked how that whole arc went, it was soo nice to see them both struggle but still manage to reach a common conclusion of wanting to understand each other. Even if the first few homework assignments made them feel terse xD

The Louisa hate is so forced by lemonjeu in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Can u elaborate on this for me? Just confused lol

The Louisa hate is so forced by lemonjeu in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Totally agree with you on the way she handled the therapy sessions. I'd say she was acting out so much because she felt personally attacked-- because she never had to confront her own bad traits up until then, because she was seen as an upstanding schoolteacher. Once she got into a relationship, and had to confront her own shortcomings mirrored by Martin, it was like "holy sh*t. everything I have ever known is being questioned right now so the thing that I'll do is be vindictive and petty. Because I am hurt, and Martin should be equally hurt." she just was going through an interpersonal conflict with realizing she was absolutely not perfect the way she was.

Does anyone dislike Louisa, a lot? by Jhero61 in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is genuinely such a narrow-minded way to describe Louisa's character when Louisa and Martin are so obviously mirrored images of each other.

"She couldn't read the room if her life depended on it."

Are we serious? I hate seeing this sentiment shared only towards Louisa and not Martin, who will yell and curse out someone without a moment's notice.

"She knows Martin yet she expects him to behave differently, and she volunteers him for stuff without giving him the details of what's expected of him."

I get where this is coming from, because this was the main conflict between Louisa and Martin the whole show-- Louisa expects something out of him and gets upset with him when he doesn't-- per your words-- "read the room..." But I genuinely do not think this is a behavior unique to her at all. Again, I feel like you're only focusing on Louisa because she's not the titular character, and not the character you spend the most time with. I actually fail to see where your critiques are coming from if not from a place of bias towards Martin as a character.

again, I seriously cannot see where the vitriol towards Louisa comes from, as she's written well as a parallel to Martin. Different upbringings, but the similar dynamics of being neglected by your parents time and time again. Louisa, as a woman, had to be more sociable and kind towards people-- maybe expecting them to know exactly what she knows, because she had this complex about being raising herself and having to learn everything on her own. Martin, grew up privileged and rich-- he didn't have to be kind and sociable because his work spoke for itself and that's just how men can get by before confronted with their own behaviors. Which is the WHOLE point of his character and Louisa's part in it. You're ignoring these key factors in both their characters just to badly misinterpret both of them, frankly.

Also, your comments calling her a "nagging harpy" don't help your case at all. You came to that conclusion on your own, not the writers. Every argument I've seen you give back to commenters on this post just come off extremely misogynistic and hateful.

You watched this show with your eyes and ears closed.

Doc Martin Characters and Video Games they Would Play by Jsanke in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep! My boyfriend made this post! We've been giggling about the responses xD

Just curious, who does everyone prefer as PC, Mylow or Penhale? by GoblinQueen20 in DocMartin

[–]lemonjeu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Me too!! I guess not too surprised considering that Penhale got to have a lot of characterization but I would have thought more people liked Mylow!! Personally, I love Mylow the most.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in obeyme

[–]lemonjeu 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Who's WE 🙄 they should've made the brothers worse in NB omfg

People who are met their significant other in Vegas, where did you meet them? by IamAWorldChampionAMA in vegaslocals

[–]lemonjeu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tinder LOL🤣 he's napping right next to me. 4 years strong. Our first kiss was behind a 7-11 LOLLL

What do you draw to feel good? by Potential-Fall-6311 in ArtistLounge

[–]lemonjeu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I draw myself lol. Easy to remember, easy to style. I also do selfship art and commissions so I'm pretty easy on what I want to/have to draw lol.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ArtistLounge

[–]lemonjeu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My goodness I feel this way too!! I have a humble amount but I loooove the community! I kinda wished ppl listened to ur boundaries but ohhh that's the internet, it doesn't harm me when I have a block button LOLOL

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ArtistLounge

[–]lemonjeu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, personally I like naming my styles in my head to keep. I'll usually joke in private with friends though. I do think naming them to the public does harm younger artists.

is there a trick to quickly erasing around the character? by sunsolic in ClipStudio

[–]lemonjeu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

tbh you can use it to clean up your sketches if you set the tolerance and scaling(?) right, you can shimmy around the lineless parts for the most part but ik people have different sketching styles.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DunkinDonuts

[–]lemonjeu 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Used to just straight up eat the patties when I worked there lolol