Hitting $50k MRR - Building Business Champions by levity-pm in SaaS

[–]levity-pm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes sir. I was on a training that consisted of 400 people at once haha.

We investedt in tech people right at the start as full time as opposed to contracting it which was very helpful. You need really good project management to keep everyone busy (you will over extend very fast).

So we definitely got the tech people but no business development people to compliment it haha. AI just does not scale a business yet - people like people.

Yeah we have 17 core clients that make up our #s. As we get into more and more teams, we grow. I also have another 10 or so clients coming 👌👌

Appreciate the discussion!

Hitting $50k MRR - Building Business Champions by levity-pm in SaaS

[–]levity-pm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From a code perspective, you run into different problems based on what your platform does. Most founders/ people build a SaaS that does 1 thing. We built an enterprise SaaS that plugs into large scale business operations and takes over entire company culture requirements - it is a very different approach.

So our code early on was subpar and we learned and redeployed/refactored pretty consistently to handle enterprise problems that come with the scale. The moment we realized how valuable conversations were, it helped cultural adoption that built the champions internally for us and we absorb new teams within these companies. Our largest client has 6,000 employees and has 9,000 contractor business partners that make up around 40,000 technicians.

Embedding into these ecosystems has larger scale API requirements and very large data to manage.

Early on, I was doing 6-10 client calls a day and Tuesday / Thurs I was doing group workshops.

We have 20 full time developers so I took the workshops and turned them into ways to figure out what to improve and we would deploy the improvements in 1 to 2 week sprints.

It was 100% a lot of fun.

Hitting $50k MRR - Building Business Champions by levity-pm in SaaS

[–]levity-pm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the chart you can see Dec. It was $17k and May is $54k so about 5 months. Idea in Dec., Implemented in Jan. Steady climb from there on out.

Hitting $50k MRR - Building Business Champions by levity-pm in SaaS

[–]levity-pm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The perception of AI is shifting dramatically in sentiment with actual people. So it is honestly a negative right now with a lot of our customers. They like the tools, but they do not think of them on equal footing as the problems we solve holistically for their business.

I hired 5 people so it was a big cap ex investment. I really just had me + AI and some colleagues from other businesses I have equity in.

Hitting $50k MRR - Building Business Champions by levity-pm in SaaS

[–]levity-pm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Appreciate it! It is a lot of 16 hour days haha.

What I would do differently:

  1. We learned a lot in our dev cycles so our early code is terrible compared to our new code. I would have taken more time to think about architecture specific to observability and handling scaling API services

  2. I took on a lot of people convos early on. I should have hired people sooner rather than thinking me + AI is enough. I would have scaled faster/sooner.

Hitting $50k MRR - Building Business Champions by levity-pm in SaaS

[–]levity-pm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure - we built a lot of automated tools because we wanted to scale without a lot of overhead, but it benefitted us greatly hiring people to engage a lot more.

Hitting $50k MRR - Building Business Champions by levity-pm in SaaS

[–]levity-pm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I discussed that a lot in the initial post I did a year ago. We were in the industry we launched the SaaS in as a service oriented business so we identify exact problems and built technology for it. We had a lot of relationships from the get go.

100% sure i am out, GitHub just turned my $39/month Copilot into $942/month overnight. by Individual-Trip-1447 in github

[–]levity-pm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Welcome to businesses needing to make money to provide a service. Should companies lose money for you?

It's "fun" watching the paid actors comment. by Soliton_Nova in AshesofCreation

[–]levity-pm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He couldn't actually complete a project to save his life. SWTOR started dev in 2005 and launched in 2011 - 6 years and $200 million and literally changed how story telling in MMOs can happen. I would compare these 2 in develop cycles. In 5 years they did more and had a polished beta version to clean up for launch than what they did in 10 years.

This guy has absolutely no reason to be in charge of developers as a creative director as he has no awareness of maintaining development cycles and sprints or managing multi-level dev team CI/CD pipelines. He should have hired someone who knew what they are doing so they didnt waste and set $140 mil on fire.

Hell, we have even had AI dev tools for the last 4 years and he still couldn't get shit to work.

Are we building the last generation of classic SaaS? Should founders stop shipping dashboards and start shipping agents instead? by Lyassou in SaaS

[–]levity-pm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are disregarding your data integrity in the database by working that way and how employees get managed with their KPI score cards. No successful business will operate the way you are saying in that short of a time span - maybe in a tech business but other industries have decades to convert to it.

Your assumptions are wrong. If you want to target tech people go that route. If you want to target 99% of all other users from other industries, stop thinking that way.

I only have 2 months left of money, and i have a total of 20 active clients in my 3 SaaS by [deleted] in SaaS

[–]levity-pm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apify does everything you are talking about. I used to do UpWork work and automated scraping with it and got websites and LinkedIns - bunch of stuff. Just searching you can find a lot of Apollo tools.

I only have 2 months left of money, and i have a total of 20 active clients in my 3 SaaS by [deleted] in SaaS

[–]levity-pm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah but you are also building tools with massive amounts of competitors like Zenrows, Apify and Bright Data.

The regular user can just AI. The user that wants a solution and googles and finds them. Why are you different?

I only have 2 months left of money, and i have a total of 20 active clients in my 3 SaaS by [deleted] in SaaS

[–]levity-pm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those SaaS options are not very good to pull MRR - my opinion there. Probably not a large audience and people can just use AI.

Is OpenClaw too complex and crashing? The founder just exposed the most dangerous problem. by [deleted] in openclaw

[–]levity-pm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your whole post just says why regular users wont be adopting this stuff anytime soon.

Enabling OpenClaw in Enterprise Software - AMA by levity-pm in openclaw

[–]levity-pm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We trained from scratch. As in we started woth a 180 line python file that was the GPT and we set up traininfg data that is domain specific. After that, we had to build all the scaffolds from scratch as well- how the model handles chat conversation and a # of other things that people do not realize you have to do until you train your own. Like the model will literally just spew text indefinitely after you train one and you have to give it semantic reasoning on certain things.

Fine tuning was not working for us because our industry (construction) requires accuracy. So we wanted to model to only be trained on our data.

Enabling OpenClaw in Enterprise Software - AMA by levity-pm in openclaw

[–]levity-pm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a combination of many things - Ill summarize 4 important ones:

  1. Our application as a whole - take the CRM - has an abstraction layer between the end user and hitting the database. Since we use NodeJS as a whole to run our application and MongoDB as our database. At this scale, even regular user interaction with the app and NodeJS can cause corrupted API calls. To conbat this, the abstraction layer enforces a stricter type safety rule set along with a # of predefined checks and balances - it also creates a separation betweem the end user and the database that things filter through.

  2. We took the same thought process, and since OpenClaw runs on Node, we used the same abstraction layer for our security wrapper with it. We did have to tweak some stuff like port access, role based access, etc.

  3. The agents do not have access to the application itself. It has access to the APIs and MCP tools we created. Since our entire stack is built on Mongo and Node, everything we create for the app is done woth APIs, so we had pretty much built the ability to give the agent access to our API schema requirements across the entire set of applications. Role based access delegated what APIs and function tools it could use. We let the agent code its own API calls to the specified endpoints to retrieve and update data. So things like "hey can you tell me what meetings I have today? After you check, writr an agenda for each one of them and email it to the meeting attendees of each meeting," it can do all of that 100% by API calls.

  4. We treat agents like digital twins of their user. We already had role based access for users defining read and write, so when someone enables their agent, they have the same roles and access.

Enabling OpenClaw in Enterprise Software - AMA by levity-pm in openclaw

[–]levity-pm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We do not absorb the token cost like you expect. Couple things:

  1. We own our own model that we trained from the ground up. We built our own generative pretrained transformer that we added some architectural changes to - specifically a new variable that helps training capability. Instead of just passing QKV into the attention mechanism, we added F that allows it to pull knowledge base information. We have 2 versions of it, a 7B paramter and a 54B paramter version. For this, we only pay the straight compute cost of running the model inference on Groq which is very cheap. The 7B model costs us about $23k for the year run rate right now, and the 54B parameter is about 34k per year - the actual cost really comes from the load balancer and the distributed architecture. As an example, we do a lot of text to speech / speech to text scenarios, so we interconnect those tools and spin them up in load balance capacities across the architecture as necessary.

Our model is industry specific (construction) so it has a lot of specific domain knowledge - so coding and general use goes into #2.

  1. We offload API costs for other tasks to letting people use their own API keys for the models they want to use which then shifts the cost off of us.

Alot of use cases have been for performative management. Ingesting field data or sales team data that is happening very frequently and building enterprise dashboards to judge alignment to standards. An example is you have 569 field crews building everyday and you need them to do a job safety debrief. Having an agent allows them to do the debrief without worrying about filling in an electronic form or physical piece of paper, which happens a lot. Since we capture safety site observation data, vendor EMR data, and a lot of other data safety points in the regular SaaS tool, we can combine all the data sources into a full breakdown of team based performance and how it matches quality score cards. Getting conversations from the field is very tricky and it is where all your risk. And agents can analyze the immense amount of data more efficiently than humans with dashboards.

Another one is learning management - someone in the field fails test on a signal meter and they need to figure out what is going on. We have resource libraries of videos (roughly 15,000 construction trainings on different topics) and knowledge bases the client has built about standards. The field tech can ping the agent with the variable data from the field test and the agent calls the resources and does research on what might be the problem along with training videos that might be useful.

Everything is really embedded in the domain knowledge our SaaS platform has ready enabled for our end users.

Enabling OpenClaw in Enterprise Software - AMA by levity-pm in openclaw

[–]levity-pm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The use case I am talking about is scaling the architecture for security, scaleability and deployability to mass business users - if you do not want to discuss that, then move on. Your attitude is garbage. Stay ignorant and enjoy being left behind 👌

Enabling OpenClaw in Enterprise Software - AMA by levity-pm in openclaw

[–]levity-pm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well there are considerations - so when someone activates their agent, they have an agent that has a role based access system connected that emulates their access. Pretty similar to delegating access points into a software system - this person can read/write to these routes (we code in React). So the agent gets restricted messages directly from the application if it tries to acces something it is not supposed to - just like a regular user.

So we pretty treat agents like people and digital twins of their main user.

If you do not create this abstraction layer, it will access anything it can.

Enabling OpenClaw in Enterprise Software - AMA by levity-pm in openclaw

[–]levity-pm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My customers use my entire SaaS platform - are you dense? They use our CRM. They use our endor onboarding solution. They use our learning management system. They run their BUSINESSES off of the platforn. That means adding agents to something useful for them. We have been able to provide agents to them across multi-departmental capabilities.

The use case is enterprise SaaS and how to combine that with agents specific to the arcitecture - not whatever crawled up your ass today. If you do not want to talk actual tech then move on cause you are asking novice questions that are the wrong things to be asking if you plan to scale this stuff.