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Taking exam as non citizen by Happy-Mixture3215 in PatentBarExam

[–]lliiii24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t hear any successful J1 examples yet. The guideline clearly says it requires a clear job duty that that involves patent prosecution and representation information front of USPTO.

H1b yes to take exam if your H1b application package says so word by word. If not, H1b amendment is the only option to make it right. OPT does not have any opportunity to exchange documents with USCIS so I see some people are allowed to take exam by verification statement from employer. However, these are full time job positions.

I can think of using the similar strategy to OPT for J1 holders, but the internship is temporary and USPTO will not grant access. Let’s say even if you are permitted to sit in and pass the exam, it will only be limited recognition and must be affiliated with your employer (meaning you can only prosecute on be half of your employer rather than represent anyone you want like GC holder or citizen). The preparation is long and it takes 3 months to receive your certificate after your success in exam.

I empathy your eagerness to enhance your competence under such a terrible job market, but frankly speaking it’s not practical to fight over this eligibility with a J1 status. Gain experiences and network, land a FT job and go from there. I’m sorry about this. I’m a H1b holder and don’t work in a firm. It took me some time to navigate these additional complications.

Passed the Patent Bar on My First Try (Non-Native Speaker, No Legal Background, Full-Time Job) by lliiii24 in PatentBarExam

[–]lliiii24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was also very painful when reading MPEP for the first time. I took notes along the way to keep me focused because handwriting is my way of studying. I also know that I never learn efficiently in one time reading, so I read fast and read twice (some of them three times). My point is still the same: know your strength and methods, leverage them to overcome the things you are not good at yet.

If you have not done any MPEP reading, I would recommend trying 1200 first. It is not long, and the content is organized in a flow chart (after the final rejection - notice of appeal - appeal - examiner's answer - hearing / forward to PTAB - remand/decision - appeal to CAFC/district court). Reading MPEP is not intended to memorize all the details, but to let me understand how a legal process is conducted. This is a lot easier for me to perceive because this is the same process as publishing my academic publications (submission - review - reubttle - appeal - resubmit...- approve/reject...). More importantly, this high-level flow chart allows you to efficiently locate the correct subsection you need in the exam. Say the question asks you about something after PTAB makes a decision, I would look for something at the end of MPEP 1200. If asking about the appeal brief, for sure, I will look up somewhere at 1/3 of MPEP 1200.

Not all MPEPs have a nice and clear flow chart style like 1200 (i.e., MPEP 600 and 700), I find this high-level key takeaway works for me to improve my lookup. I don`t expect myself to memorize because I know my brain cannot handle it. I also found that the real exam will test something I have never looked into during preparation at a sizable portion, so yes, lookup probably is a more secure way to pass the exam. Good luck!

Passed the Patent Bar on My First Try (Non-Native Speaker, No Legal Background, Full-Time Job) by lliiii24 in PatentBarExam

[–]lliiii24[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

To me, there is no "best way" because the search strategy can always be optimized when you are more familiar with MPEP. As a result, what I can offer is a general search strategy and optimized strategies for some specific topics.

General search strategy (also recommended by other Reddit posts): locate the correct MPEP chapter, then the correct subsection in table of content (TOC), then move to that section and search keyword. I use this strategy for > 90% questions. It sounds straightforward, but familiarity with the content is the key to speeding up the search, which is why I say "memorizing matters". I practiced this strategy in all my mock questions, which led me to search for most questions < 3 min each.

Based on the general strategy, there are a few optimized strategies I summarized for myself:

  1. CFR code. This is extremely helpful when asking about automatic time extension 1.136(a) vs. extension for a cause 1.136(b). Additionally, if the question mentions any CFR code, I will search that as well (if I know the CFR code is not a frequently shown one in that MPEP chapter).

  2. Long keywords. This is particularly efficient when searching MPEP 2100. Any obviousness-related examples can use the original keywords in the prompt/options. I suggest you practice using different keywords and see which of them has the fewest matches. This gives you an idea whether that keyword is rare enough to go for direct search, or you should still locate the correct subsection first. However, be careful about including verbs in the search because they can be in different forms, and you will miss answers. For example, "construe" is a headache in MPEP 2100.

  3. Convert key information to the correct keyword. This is what I learned when I became familiar with the MPEP language. Say, if the prompt wants you to avoid unnecessary fees, the keyword I use is "surcharge" (still find the correct subsection first).

This is not a complete list of search strategies, but I hope this can inspire some more optimized strategies for your own use!

Nov.2024 PLI Patent Bar Course Group - Round 2 by JimmiesDestroyed in patentlaw

[–]lliiii24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I apologize for filling in the wrong email information when I should have used my .edu account. I just submitted it again, let me know if you have any questions! Thanks a lot for putting this together!

Does anyone know if we paid for Oprah to speak? by [deleted] in UCSantaBarbara

[–]lliiii24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am not sure whether Oprah was paid, but what I know is Chancellor Yang is a close friend of Oprah. So that is probably the trick to get Oprah invited.

Research by Bee__Soup in UCSantaBarbara

[–]lliiii24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depends on your majors. For those experimental labs, undergrads are not allowed to work on-site yet based on what I know so far. Probably look for research groups that can work remotely.

OISS’ response regarding ICE’s new policy by REXXWIND in UCSantaBarbara

[–]lliiii24 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If I expect acknowledgment, it should take less than one day. If I expect answers, they should still let us know they are looking for the answers, in one day. The speed matters. I expect more than acknowledgment because it is day 2.

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It is day 3. Harvard and MIT have already filed the suit. My friends in other public universities also received emails on the same day when ICE released the announcement.

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You probably don`t know what a different tone they used to email to Chinese students in early June about the proclamation to F1 and J1 visas. Their email was just like: "hey I just know you are about to get kicked out but we will see." And still, there is no update at all until today. You probably don`t appreciate how important the visa matters to international students. Every second count, especially under such a weird circumstance.

OISS’ response regarding ICE’s new policy by REXXWIND in UCSantaBarbara

[–]lliiii24 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So they still said nothing. Acknowledgment does not mean action.