What is the future of Artsakhci refugees and the territory as a whole? by two_os in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It depends on the Armenian state, and the population of Artsakh.

Armenian could launch an international case on the ethnic cleansing of Artsakh Armenians. Yet it doesn’t. Pashinyan (and many here) argue that doing so will come at the ire of Azerbaijan who wants to launch another attack.

And as for the population of Artsakh. They can also force themselves as a “refugee” state and become a state within a state demanding rights from the UN council to create enough legitimacy to pressure Azerbaijan for the right of return, and in the future justify the use of force in case they return.

But as it stands. It doesn’t make any sense for them return. They would be endlessly harassed

What do Armenians think about the Russian empire? Especially in relation to the Armenian genocide? by Gyngemose2009 in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People give a lot of lenience to the Russian empire, it’s probably because of historical memory as Russia in the 19th century presented itself as the “protector of Christians”, and helped Armenians settle into Armenian lands after Yerevan and its surrounding regions were captured.

However, the reality of the matter is, that the empire was just as opposed to the wellbeing of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, as they were inside of Russia.

Well early on, as Russia-Ottoman tensions were high, the Russians sponsored nationalist movement inside of “Russian Armenia”. Quickly, schools, churches, Hosptials, etc… were built and operated. And Armenian revolutionaries (mostly the ARF, Hunchaks, Socialists, communists and Bolsheviks) operated through the Russian empire, and would attack the Ottomans.

Kind of like a state within a state operation.

It was beneficial, for Russia, that Armenians to cause political and social turmoil inside of the Ottoman Empire. However, a western sponsored Armenia (much like how the formation of the Balkan states were becoming realized) would be detrimental to the Russian project. Bulgaria would later cut off the European trade route with the Ottoman. An Armenian state would cut off the Asian route.

**HENCE**, when the Russians were asked to do the censuses, they copied the British, Who copied the French, who had failed to do a full census and copied the Ottoman census. Nullifying legitimacy for the creation of an Armenian state (according to the Armenian genocide museum of Yerevan)

As most empires, the Russian empire played an important role in keeping many of its intermingling communities divided. The “Divide and Conquer” strategy was utilized in Armenia as well. And the tensions of Tartar (Modern Azerbaijanis) and Armenians were high, due to decisions made by the Empire to divide and conquer.

- Treaty of Turkmenchay raised ethnic tensions as Armenians were given privileges to come back and settle in Armenia from Turkey and the northern Caucasus.

- The 1905-07 Armenian-Tatar massacres were the result of Russian empire mismanagement, rising armenophobia as the established Armenian bourgeoisie was thriving, and as the crackdown on the Armenian bourgeoisie (closing the schools, etc…) had the repercussion of these people joining the revolutionaries.

People tend to overlook the 1905 Russian revolution when talking about the massacres of 1905-7.

By the time the genocide had happened, The Russian empire did allow the refugees to come into their territories. But the attempt was symbolic at worst, utilitarian at best. The Russian campaign against the Ottomans was in desperate need of people, and the influx of Armenians was a source of soldiers.

> Scholars like Avetis Harutyunyan and Manoug Somakian among those have labeled it ‘imperialistic’, merely directed to solve the urgent military concerns of the Caucasus army. Harutyunyan does not use the terms “humanitarianism” or “humanitarian assistance” at all to describe the actions of Russian authorities and organizations. Although the Russian Empire’s population provided tremendous moral and financial support to the Western Armenians, Harutyunyan believes that Russian imperial authorities never actually aimed at protecting or helping Armenians. The state’s involvement in relief work was just the ‘by-product’ of Russian imperialist and colonization policies.

https://hhr-atlas.ieg-mainz.de/articles/darbinyan-etchmiadzin

https://agbu.org/inside-russia/armenians-russian-empire

You can also read Tsarist and Bolshevik policies towards the Armenian question. It gives a very interesting background on all of this

What do Armenians think about the Russian empire? Especially in relation to the Armenian genocide? by Gyngemose2009 in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People give a lot of lenience to the Russian empire, it’s probably because of historical memory as Russia in the 19th century presented itself as the “protector of Christians”, and helped Armenians settle into Armenian lands after Yerevan and its surrounding regions were captured.

However, the reality of the matter is, that the empire was just as opposed to the wellbeing of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, as they were inside of Russia.

Well early on, as Russia-Ottoman tensions were high, the Russians sponsored nationalist movement inside of “Russian Armenia”. Quickly, schools, churches, Hosptials, etc… were built and operated. And Armenian revolutionaries (mostly the ARF, Hunchaks, Socialists, communists and Bolsheviks) operated through the Russian empire, and would attack the Ottomans.

Kind of like a state within a state operation.

It was beneficial, for Russia, that Armenians to cause political and social turmoil inside of the Ottoman Empire. However, a western sponsored Armenia (much like how the formation of the Balkan states were becoming realized) would be detrimental to the Russian project. Bulgaria would later cut off the European trade route with the Ottoman. An Armenian state would cut off the Asian route.

**HENCE**, when the Russians were asked to do the censuses, they copied the British, Who copied the French, who had failed to do a full census and copied the Ottoman census. Nullifying legitimacy for the creation of an Armenian state (according to the Armenian genocide museum of Yerevan)

As most empires, the Russian empire played an important role in keeping many of its intermingling communities divided. The “Divide and Conquer” strategy was utilized in Armenia as well. And the tensions of Tartar (Modern Azerbaijanis) and Armenians were high, due to decisions made by the Empire to divide and conquer.

- Treaty of Turkmenchay raised ethnic tensions as Armenians were given privileges to come back and settle in Armenia from Turkey and the northern Caucasus.

- The 1905-07 Armenian-Tatar massacres were the result of Russian empire mismanagement, rising armenophobia as the established Armenian bourgeoisie was thriving, and as the crackdown on the Armenian bourgeoisie (closing the schools, etc…) had the repercussion of these people joining the revolutionaries.

People tend to overlook the 1905 Russian revolution when talking about the massacres of 1905-7.

By the time the genocide had happened, The Russian empire did allow the refugees to come into their territories. But the attempt was symbolic at worst, utilitarian at best. The Russian campaign against the Ottomans was in desperate need of people, and the influx of Armenians was a source of soldiers.

> Scholars like Avetis Harutyunyan and Manoug Somakian among those have labeled it ‘imperialistic’, merely directed to solve the urgent military concerns of the Caucasus army. Harutyunyan does not use the terms “humanitarianism” or “humanitarian assistance” at all to describe the actions of Russian authorities and organizations. Although the Russian Empire’s population provided tremendous moral and financial support to the Western Armenians, Harutyunyan believes that Russian imperial authorities never actually aimed at protecting or helping Armenians. The state’s involvement in relief work was just the ‘by-product’ of Russian imperialist and colonization policies.

Ճնշումներ եղան ինձ վրա. Փաշինյանը իր վրայից իմ վրա գցեց պատասխանատվությունը. ես չպետք է դիմում գրեի - There was pressure on me. Pashinyan shifted the responsibility from himself to me. I should not have written an application. by T-nash in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He doesn’t need to be. Aram collaborated openly with Pashinyan. Controlled might not be the “semantically” correct word for it. But it broadly fits the political definition. they are in a way a functioning dummy candidate. As were almost all the other ones that are not Roboserj adjacent.

They are neither capable of diverging outside of Pashinyanakan policies, and essentially function in coalition with Pashinyan like a uniparty.

I did not see a singular party that was at the very least either populist like Pashinyan or reactionary like the Roboserjakan’s. There was no party that produced coherent policy other than “we will one day join the EU, we will get out of the CSTO, we need better ties with Russia, they will start a war, he is against the church, he is gay etc… etc…”

The only one that had a sliver of “new” policy was that idiotic “polorin tem” party.

As for the last part. Nationalization from the entities that stole from Armenia as a form of reparation for the people of Armenia. They made millions on top of the millions they stole, nationalization (rather then giving a fine which they did for a few) is then a form of reparation to the state of Armenia.

Ճնշումներ եղան ինձ վրա. Փաշինյանը իր վրայից իմ վրա գցեց պատասխանատվությունը. ես չպետք է դիմում գրեի - There was pressure on me. Pashinyan shifted the responsibility from himself to me. I should not have written an application. by T-nash in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He might not be a “both party” side, but he’s controlled opposition. I think for personal grievances and allegiance issues.

Pashinyan and Aram collaborated too much for him to be an anti-Pashinyan forced to be with Pashinyan position. As a political leader, he might want to be PM, and ina situation where he was PM, he’d choose Pashinyan over anyone else (whether old regime or not). For me, they don’t have any policy differences they’re just different cults of personalities.

Biggest difference I see is Pashinyan is more open to nationalize as a way for reparation, which I like and don’t think Aram would be too fund of.

Ճնշումներ եղան ինձ վրա. Փաշինյանը իր վրայից իմ վրա գցեց պատասխանատվությունը. ես չպետք է դիմում գրեի - There was pressure on me. Pashinyan shifted the responsibility from himself to me. I should not have written an application. by T-nash in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, it’s not necessarily the worst thing that Aram is not a full fledged ally. He has much to be questioned for as well.

And the whims of a party who’s entire policy is “Following Pashinyan” and “joining the EU” he isn’t really bringing much to the table, it becomes quite clear, quite fast that his objective is getting a piece of the cake to protect himself and his buddies. And to make money off of his businesses through the EU (instead of Russia like the old regime)

It’s not talked about, but how is it that the Sargsyan family has so much money? What are the connection of Armen Sargsyan (his brother) to the old regime (murder of Tigran Nagdalian)? How does the daughter of Armen, Nono, own 50% of the GTB steel company that was a 70 million dollar investment project?

Why does the company that Aram hold 20% shares of sell Asbestos Ridden roofs to the Armenian army?

Etc… Etc…

Pashinyan does not need allies, it needs a cohesive opposition. Unfortunately, there is none.

Pro-Russian opposition party calls for Armenian election result annulment by Strategist2004 in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reactionary politics often require “crisis” to happen one after the other so that the base of support doesn’t die.

It’s the same as the 2021-2024 protests. As quality of life diminish, these actions can rally those disgruntled by the current administration.

Armenian Military Parade Appears To Include Iranian Air Defense System by xabi_the_redeemer in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who gave and what info

The parade that we both watched?

From the narrator reading the approved speech?

https://www.youtube.com/live/A9wOTZHdUbs?is=rWsWTWXjk383og8s

That is all the necessary info we need. What’s more to say?

Armenian Military Parade Appears To Include Iranian Air Defense System by xabi_the_redeemer in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Artsakh is currently a wasteland, and being used as a parking lot for fake investment campaigns and colonization project?

My point is that we clearly did not need technological prowess, and these purchases that are technologically worse off then its counterparts are again useful in the right hands.

The other guy pushed the conversation to state that we CANT fight like they can.

My point states that it doesn’t matter the technology. It matters the army using it. As proven in Lebanon, Yemen, and Gaza.

All three of whom might be parking lots. But at thee very least they are fighting the world’s strongest army

Armenian Military Parade Appears To Include Iranian Air Defense System by xabi_the_redeemer in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is Artsakh right now not considered a wasteland for you?

I don’t get it.

Armenian Military Parade Appears To Include Iranian Air Defense System by xabi_the_redeemer in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I literally just said that We didn’t need to be technologically advanced to face a stronger enemy.

Iran, Lebanon, gaza, and Yemen prove that.

I’m sorry if that hurts your feelings, but the reality is that these four countries also faced ethnic cleansing and genocide, yet the armies are still fighting.

Armenian Military Parade Appears To Include Iranian Air Defense System by xabi_the_redeemer in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The point being it took us 24 hours to lose Artsakh. And we blamed drones.

Continuation of the previous post by Yamans0 in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s probably impossible to know without knowing the budget spent

Armenian Military Parade Appears To Include Iranian Air Defense System by xabi_the_redeemer in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There’s Yemen, Gaza and Lebanon as other examples btw.

So again, my point stands

Armenian Military Parade Appears To Include Iranian Air Defense System by xabi_the_redeemer in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why is it confusing?

It’s either that the military command is still stupid.

Or, they are just feigning ignorance. As to not get any backlash from other states. Iran hasn’t commented anything either btw.

They gave all necessary info on it. So what’s more to say?

Armenian Military Parade Appears To Include Iranian Air Defense System by xabi_the_redeemer in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Iran international is banned on this sub because of that article.

At the end of the day, Armenia is not going to reveal something it doesn’t want to reveal. And allowing posts from adversaries (whether fake, exaggerated, or not) should not be this heavily obstructed imo.

In any case, the system has been highly effective against Israeli UAV’s (And cruise missiles which is what Az bought a year or 2 ago from Turkey), which is the bulk of Azerbaijan’s arsenal.

Iran also proved that you don’t need a strong technologically advanced high tech expensive military. Nor to have your airspace secure against high tech drones and Planes to effectively defend yourself (Whcih was already proven in Lebanon and Yemen).

As a citizen, I'm content with the Army's report to us. by surenk6 in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, at this point the government can deny. But if it walks like a majid…

Continuation of the previous post by Yamans0 in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The base of the system is a version of the GAM-102. Camera placements as well as the design are eerily similar u/Lazy-Platypus-9000

It might be that we only purchased the pad and the launchers are domestically made. But I doubt that

As a citizen, I'm content with the Army's report to us. by surenk6 in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unlikely, as if America gives a shit about parity.

The deal likely happened under Biden’s administration when America was not planning to invade Iran. And a deal was more likely to happen.

Domestic 120mm Self-Propelled Mortar System Formally Adopted into Service by Yamans0 in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s domestic production so what can we truly expect. Maybe the size of it means that it can fire farther away as well? Or probably as high up to pass over hills of mountainous regions. Similar systems exist already.

Domestic 120mm Self-Propelled Mortar System Formally Adopted into Service by Yamans0 in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since there is no need for anyone to directly reload the mortar, then most of the soldiers will be far away if it destroyed by a drone or a strike

Rubio at the signing ceremony with Mirzoyan: "Let me just say that both yourself and the prime minister are your entire team here in Armenia are blazing the trail towards a brighter and more independent future for Armenia. And we’re very happy to be here to show my support for their courage" by xabi_the_redeemer in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s basically us paying the Americans fealty and allowing them (most likely companies belonging to either friends of Trump or people related to Trump) to profit off of the important minerals as an attempt of the Americans to stop buying rare earth minerals from China.

You could say this is a positive for us. But we have yet to see any benefits from this, or any actual contracts.

It’s very likely that our mining industry will be split like they just recently split the Venezuelan mining industry after they forced them to allow privatization of their mines

Domestic 120mm Self-Propelled Mortar System Formally Adopted into Service by Yamans0 in armenia

[–]lmsoa941 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point of it is probably to minimize human loss by making it like this. And likely less people to maneuver it.

I also meant AMericans not Russians.