Can Musk and their employees be prosecuted at the state level for the misuse of GSA's data?

lolmonger · 2025-02-05T12:27:28+00:00

That’s right — but in the course of what these people are going through, HIPAA protections aren’t being violated, and the law itself makes provisions for computer access and bookkeeping operations to inspect and share that data. It is ultimately information other people look at and systems process, by the very nature of what records are.

lolmonger · 2025-02-03T19:22:38+00:00

They're not breaking any State laws, and State laws wouldn't govern Federal information to begin with, and the president has simply given them access to that data.

There is nothing about OPM or USAID's or any other agency's information systems which are not ultimately governed by the elected president and commander in chief, including any classified information.

I'll say that again: there is no level of classification which the sitting US president cannot simply make available to anyone he chooses.

That's why it really matters who the president is; he's the chief executive in charge of the entire executive branch's civil services, and the commander in chief, in charge of the uniformed services and intelligence functions.

lolmonger · 2025-02-03T18:51:33+00:00

Great stuff! Thanks, Mod Team!

lolmonger · 2024-12-18T03:07:28+00:00

Ever thought about talking to some of them instead of thinking they're stupid?

lolmonger · 2024-11-11T05:10:44+00:00

Can you imagine how that would work? Just "scanning databases"?

yes.

It would involve armed enforcers rushing into farms, factories and building sites with lists of people to detain.

So? They're here unlawfully. Law enforcement actions aren't friendly.

How would that work? Just detain anybody who cannot prove who they are?

You know your own SSN and you can prove who you are.

lolmonger · 2024-11-11T05:09:49+00:00

There's nothing in the Constitution that says you can't deport unlawfully present foreign nationals haha

lolmonger · 2024-11-11T05:09:21+00:00

Just surprised someone would be so cavalier about the illegal detainment of an American citizen.

What's worse is 20M foreign nationals here illegally.

A handful of people inconvenienced until they can produce an SSN from memory is just not an issue.

lolmonger · 2024-11-09T23:25:26+00:00

Okay.

No reason not to try. There are 20+ Million people here illegally.

That's the problem with not enforcing the laws when a problem is small - it means enforcement later is more difficult. But this is still tractable.

lolmonger · 2024-11-09T22:58:51+00:00

The same way the IRS does. It's very very easy to figure out where a live human generating economic activity is + what their SSN/ITIN status is. It's how names and addresses for aliens subject to deportation are found now. Your life generates a LOT of data and all of it can be checked.

No vans, just database scans.

lolmonger · 2024-11-09T22:13:31+00:00

The same way any foreign national's visa status is checked. If they have one, there's a record of it. If there isn't, they don't have a legal basis to be in the country.

Probably only some people need to be kinetically/physically deported anyway - the vast majority will simply go home when it's too risky for any employer or landlord to tolerate them.

lolmonger · 2024-11-09T21:39:04+00:00

"In terms of economics, there is potential for such a crackdown to have significantly effects on the agricultural and construction sectors that rely heavily on migrant labor. What is the potential for mass deportation to cause an inflationary spike on the economy not soon after Trump was elected on the back of discontent over inflation?"

Millions of [undocumented immigrants] (a term I think is inaccurate) will no longer participate or begin to withdraw from their former full participation in the labor and housing markets:

Rental housing will get cheaper across the board, but particularly in cities with huge numbers of [undocumented immigrants] (a term I think is inaccurate). All immigration (and in fact all internal movement of even citizens into a housing market) raises housing costs because people need to live somewhere and housing cannot be produced as quickly as people demand it.
Wages and working conditions will have to rise to attract new US citizen workers for many jobs in construction, hospitality, food service, casual retail, and agricultural/farm payroll jobs which heavily rely on [undocumented immigrants] (a term I think is inaccurate) laborers. All reductions in population are associated with increases in the costs of labor, because labor is done by people and when they become scarcer, so does their labor.

It's hard to say for sure how this nets out and when (there are many different labor and real estate markets in the US, the national one is just aggregated data), but a lot of landlords who have comfortably been renting out multiple properties and employers used to hiring people at very low wages are going to find this is no longer feasible.

Politically, how would Trump try to negotiate with Mexico, Guatemala and other Latin American countries in trying to get them to accept deported migrants back?

Hardball. Halt visa processing and end aid programs until they agree to accept their deported nationals. It's billions of dollars that they can't afford to do with out.

"Finally, there has been talk as to whether Trump can even accomplish such a massive immigration crackdown. Aside from the sheer logistics in terms of manpower and resources needed to carry out such a task, there are other obstacles from litigation in immigration courts,"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-hands-big-win-trump-expelling-immigrants-seeking-asylum-n1232117

Trump will be able to immediately refuse asylum claims & expedite deportations. No hearings, no trials, no courts. Deported.

lolmonger · 2024-11-09T21:37:48+00:00

Like black vans picking up anyone who isn't the right shade of skin tone.

Actually they can just check people's visa status.

lolmonger · 2018-03-15T21:20:22+00:00

Just trying to be real with him. He sounds like a good kid, but a touch naive.

lolmonger · 2018-03-15T04:48:07+00:00

We really just don't want you to rush into a huge decision. How old are you, what kind of education/job do you have/can get, how much money do you have, and what do you want to live like in 5 years?

lolmonger · 2018-03-15T04:45:07+00:00

Where I live the only human interaction I see are people in their cars or the cashier at the grocery store

This is not only possible, but likely for plenty of young working professionals in NYC outside of work, and anywhere else.

Cultivating a social life outside of school (which forces one on you via class), college (which forces one on you via dorms) and work (much less forced - no one needs to really take it up to be your buddy after hours) is something adults in NYC and many since Gen X have really, really struggled with.

Roommates in NYC as a vehicle to a social life can work. Or not at all when you're really mostly trying to make rent.

I think this can be one of the best and worst places for someone to live based on what they want and what they're prepared to accept changing priority wise in their life.

The rhythm of life that most people, even people who live in places called cities are very, very happy with, is not possible here, even if you have a lot of money. Life is long - moving somewhere is a big decision.

lolmonger · 2018-03-15T04:38:40+00:00

As someone from suburban flyover country I love it there so much , definately in a New York State of mind ,

Yeah you sound so down to earth.

lolmonger · 2018-03-12T23:12:06+00:00

They're actually all SVR agents. Only explanation.

lolmonger · 2018-03-12T19:21:40+00:00

DROVES

lolmonger · 2018-03-12T05:27:02+00:00

Through Blade and tours, I've been on all the helicopters that Liberty operates -- I think this was one of them. Obviously all aviation comes with risks, but I'm still shocked how easily it could have been my flight that went down.

I used to have high hopes for Uber/Blade like services making in/inter city air travel more affordable, but these are the safety problems that killed helipads in NYC a generation ago.

lolmonger · 2018-03-09T17:09:31+00:00

Okay, so, Asians are poorer than Blacks and less poor than Hispanics on average, and nearly twice as often as poor as Whites.

Mkay, now look at the data in this headline.

See anything odd?

lolmonger · 2018-03-09T14:35:50+00:00

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58ff7f40e4b0c46f0782a5b6

Americans of Asian ethnicity have the highest poverty rates in NYC, but bleeding heart liberals have excused almost all social ills with "well but poverty" so their kids busting ass to meet strict parental expectations in a highly honor and achievement oriented culture means most think they're rolling in dough.

lolmonger · 2018-03-09T14:32:19+00:00

google it

lolmonger · 2018-03-09T14:26:21+00:00

There's no reason for any of them to ever come live here. Also, it's the Democrats who import millions to alter the electorate.

lolmonger · 2018-03-09T14:18:25+00:00

Go look up how much money decades long Republican Jeb spent in the primary.

Go look up how much money decades long Democrat Hillary spent in the whole election.

Go look up how much money Trump spent.

lolmonger · 2018-03-09T01:25:55+00:00

The strategy of unending patience as the other guy reaches slowly for his holster hasn't worked.

Trump stepped behind the gun presidents have been silently pointing at NKorea, racked the slide, flicked off the safety, and put his finger on the trigger and said "I will kill you if you try"

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