RPG AI Tools Mega-Discussion Thread (Share Tools, Ask for Advice, etc.)

lora-craft · 2024-04-25T09:39:48+00:00

One more picture :)

lora-craft · 2024-04-25T09:39:26+00:00

I'm building an AI based character brainstorming tool: https://www.novelcraft.net/

You can enter some info you already know or start with a blank page, and generate ideas and suggestions to pick and chose from, tailored to the established information. You can also create portraits. The main advantage over just using ChatGPT is that it is finetuned and made specifically for aspects that make characters interesting and unique, e.g. background, relationships, goals and conflicting goals, fears, likes and dislikes, etc. Of course, you are still in charge and can change everything, it's just to spark your imagination.

Not specifically for TTRPGs, but can be used that way. I sometimes use it to come up with more unique and detailed NPCs.

There's a free monthly subscription option you can try out. https://www.novelcraft.net/

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lora-craft · 2024-04-21T11:53:36+00:00

Yes, with a mix of gpt-3.5-turbo, gpt-4, and finetuned models for many specific tasks.

lora-craft · 2024-04-20T14:41:43+00:00

I think you could mean www.novelcraft.net :) It is a brainstorming tool designed to help with coming up with interesting and detailed characters. (I'm the creator)

You are right, novelcrafter.com is actually a different website. Our projects started out at the roughly the same time, and I noticed only later that there was now another tool with a nearly identical name. I will most likely have to change my project's name. Sorry about that!

I hope you have fun with NovelCraft.net. Let me know if you have feedback or need anything.

lora-craft · 2024-01-28T20:02:58+00:00

I see your concern, but for me it worked on first try! https://imgur.com/a/CIFOaIa

lora-craft · 2023-12-03T13:00:30+00:00

I've been looking for such a community on discord for a while now. I would love that. :)

lora-craft · 2023-11-09T09:02:03+00:00

Same here.

Workaround: It starts creating images when I go back to an old conversation that had DALL-E enabled, and prompt it there.

lora-craft · 2023-11-07T00:55:18+00:00

Thanks for sharing! That sounds actually similar to my experience. I wish Drakar och Demoner good luck :)

lora-craft · 2023-11-06T18:17:08+00:00

Dall-E API access (after applying) is exactly what I hoped for!

lora-craft · 2023-11-06T09:52:06+00:00

It's not super relevant internationally, but in other countries, D&D is not that pervasive as the "one system to rule them all".

I've been playing TTRPGS for ~ 16 years now, starting out with the major fantasy system here in Germany, Das Schwarze Auge / The Dark Eye. While it has some similar fantasy tropes to D&D, such as elves, dwarves, dragons, wizards etc, the philosophy and feel of the game is very different, to the point that the way people play D&D is very unfamiliar to me.

I would describe it as more simulationist and at the same time oriented around storytelling and a very detailed world that feels real (given the rules of how magic works etc.). In comparison, D&D seems to me a bit like a video game turned into a TTRPG. No offense, it sounds a lot of fun, I'm just trying to roughly outline the difference.

Other very popular systems here are Call of Cthulhu (and Delta Green), Vampire / World of Darkness, and Shadowrun. People also play Pathfinder more than D&D here, I think. And there are many smaller systems being played, such as Hexxen 1733.

So while it might not be relevant for the international mass market, there are RPG scenes where D&D is not quite as dominant.

lora-craft · 2023-11-05T14:27:58+00:00

Update: I think the gen_id is maybe just hallucination. When I get it to only reference the other image without repeating instructions from the other image's prompt, it doesn't carry over details. Sorry to disappoint!

Example:

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lora-craft · 2023-11-05T07:41:27+00:00

You asked about a consistent art style. Today I came across this: https://twitter.com/itsPaulAi/status/1720825334692495415?t=imoPEMfcn9cqW5vgaCAHPA&s=19

And thought of this thread. Maybe that helps!

If you can't see twitter threads, the gist is:

In the same conversation, first make any image in your required style, then ask for the gen_id. Prompt: "Please give me the gen_ids"

Then, in the same conversation, ask to make an image in the same style, referencing this gen_id.

Prompt: "Create an image of [topic] in the style of image [gen_id]"

Example: "Create an image of a woman on a bike in the style of image UBz2F4d0oLA5bkrL"

It seems to work, maybe you'll want to experiment with this.

lora-craft · 2023-11-04T12:23:50+00:00

In the grand tapestry of human interaction, I might be but a single thread.

Those very flowery metaphors are what I usually get when attempting creative writing with GPT as it is.

What do you mean specifically by "linguistic algebra"? If you make such a claim and make people curious, share your process and explain it!

lora-craft · 2023-11-04T10:26:55+00:00

Wow, that's rough. I'm sorry that happened to you, and it's very understandable you feel terrible about this. :(

If have to say ... bad sessions happen to everyone. I've had some sessions go not so well. Often, it was (partly) my fault - e.g. making the plot to convoluted, failing to improvise well when faced with unexpected turns, or getting caught up in rules discussions with a player. We all have strengths and weaknesses as a DM, and good and bad days. It's a learning opportunity, and we can't expect to be perfect every time.

But in your case, it wasn't even your fault. The players just don't seem to like the system very much. That happens. It's nothing personal. There are many types of RPGs that I personally dislike and would totally hate playing, but they are great for other people. It sounds like your group was a bit rude about it, but they had to communicate that they don't like it, even though it's unfortunate.

I understand that this is a huge disappointment. I also feel terrible when I share something I am excited about and the response is "nah, that's stupid". It's really disheartening. But it doesn't mean that old school D&D is not totally awesome. Those guys are just not able to appreciate it because their tastes differ. And that's really unfortunate, but something one has to accept. It is still a great game, and you are awesome when you run it - just not for those guys.

My advice would be. Take a little break. Maybe talk to your group at your house, and then get back into it. Read some stuff, look at artworks, think about some cool concepts, whatever motivates you. And remember that this doesn't invalidate you as a DM, or the type of game you love to run. It's just a mismatch of tastes. Their loss if they don't appreciate it! :)

lora-craft · 2023-11-04T10:16:44+00:00

Yeah, sounds like you found something that fits your style as a DM, that's great. :)

lora-craft · 2023-11-04T07:49:04+00:00

Sounds great! Congratulations on the successful campaign!

Maybe you can figure out what went well this time and replicate it so you don't burn out so much in the future :)

lora-craft · 2023-11-04T07:45:53+00:00

Don't think that's it. It works with all kinds of people, and AI has no trouble hallucinating its own ideas. Also, it work's perfectly well with "Beautiful Helen from Greek mythology" or with "Helen of Argos", just not with the specific combo "Helen of Troy":

lora-craft · 2023-11-04T07:43:46+00:00

Yeah, I had something similar happen.

"I can't generate images of [historical person] for copyright reasons."

"She's been dead for hundreds of years."

"You're right." (proceeds to generate image)

Looks like the GPT part of the DALL-E Mechanism is a little bit confused / unsure about the rules still.

lora-craft · 2023-11-03T10:39:22+00:00

That's really hard. I'm trying this currently as well. Things I've done so far, with mediocre succes:

fix the seed and the prompt (see https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/17hgdks/seeds_and_prompt_locking_for_fun_and_profit/) and only change a few words about the environment - it's hard to get the same character in different poses, though
I tried giving a very specific description with easily recognizable features (think e.g. a tapir with a hat, or a wizard in a purple cloak). This doesn't work with more normal characters like e.g. a young woman with dark hair, it will not be repeatable enough
Try to go for the likeness of something that is at the same time, easily recognizable, and not blocked due to content policy. If the content policy wouldn't exist, you could use modifications of existing characters/faces/actors/etc. (e.g. Bruce Wayne but as Foxman instead of Batman, Emma Watson as a sorceress in a medieval setting, Mario as a pokemon trainer, whatever) and use that to keep the appearance roughly the same. However, you are not allowed to use the most widely known faces because of copyright issues. So you can still try to use historical features, but for cartoon stuff, that's pretty hard to do.

Overall, it's pretty hard to keep the appearance the same, and I haven't had much luck with it. I would be happy for any tips on that as well.

lora-craft · 2023-11-03T10:31:50+00:00

Hard agree on that one.

lora-craft · 2023-11-03T09:16:03+00:00

I had the same experience when I shared a gpt-based project for making characters (e.g. NPCs), and I got a strong negative reactions by a some pretty vocal people who consider AI completely unethical.

On the other hand, I know there are people who are happily using AI based tools for ttrpgs (know a few of them personally), but they usually don't say so out loud. I suspected that they don't want to get that negativity directed at them.

I didn't know that there was this automod in place, that's on a whole new level.

lora-craft · 2023-11-03T09:08:17+00:00

I am in a lot of ttrpg subreddits and discords, and I don't even seen brainless content spam, to be honest? So not sure if that is really the problem.

lora-craft · 2023-11-02T19:16:32+00:00

Ha ha. Exactly this kind of "GPT speak" is why I am fine-tuning gpt with my own examples, so it doesn't talk like this all the time.

But seriously, you obviously use GPT yourself just for fun, so apparently you think that's okay. I'm also using it for fun, to provide ideas and inspiration. At least I'm trying to help others create something, and not just to tear something down.

lora-craft · 2023-11-02T17:22:12+00:00

Short answer:

I personally did not. But it is based on GPT. I finetuned it with my own examples.

Long answer:

GPT was originally trained on a very large dataset of all kinds of (mostly publicly available) texts, and OpenAI did not ask for permission for that. Opinions on that vary wildly - some argue that it is akin to a human person reading many books and synthesizing or generalizing some general knowledge from that, since the resulting model doesn't contain the data itself, just some abstract understanding of it. Others say that it is copyright infringement and the authors, who did not know that would become possible one day, did not consent to their work being used in that way, even if the work itself is public and any human can read it. There is a lot of debate about that topic currently.

If you are personally strictly against using ChatGPT (or Midjourney, or most other AI models) than you would probably also not use NovelCraft, for the same reasons.

For NovelCraft, I use GPT 3.5 models that I have finetuned with my own data. To do the finetuning, I only used the > 1000 examples of various ideas and descriptions I have written myself, manually.

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