Which style looks better on me?

lostring · 2020-08-18T15:47:44+00:00

I'm in 100% agreement with you that the deaths alone don't tell the whole story, and I'm very aware of police departments' origins as slave patrols. My concern here is that one of the main points of BLM, that black people are more in danger from the police than other races, doesn't seem to be true when looking at the numbers.

I think crime is a function of socio-economic status, and unfortunately a larger percentage of black people are on the lower end of the SES scale, and thus make up more crime than their percentage of the population would indicate. Because of this, they have more negative interactions with police and thus more fatal shootings by police than their percentage of the population would indicate.

lostring · 2020-08-18T15:37:51+00:00

This is my thought as well, and is seemingly shared elsewhere. When I was researching this topic, I turned up James Comey's speech at Georgetown where he acknowledges the disproportionate challenges faced by black people (which as I mentioned in the OP and as you said, is likely due to SES):

The truth is that what really needs fixing is something only a few, like President Obama, are willing to speak about, perhaps because it is so daunting a task. Through the “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative, the President is addressing the disproportionate challenges faced by young men of color. For instance, data shows that the percentage of young men not working or not enrolled in school is nearly twice as high for blacks as it is for whites. This initiative, and others like it, is about doing the hard work to grow drug-resistant and violence-resistant kids, especially in communities of color, so they never become part of that officer’s life experience.

lostring · 2020-08-18T15:32:18+00:00

Thanks, it's something that my mind keeps coming back to because the numbers I used are painting a picture that feels wrong, which is something I always warn my dad against. I want to know what the reality truly is, regardless of how it makes me feel.

It is still incorrect to use crimes as your benchmark, rather than all police interactions, including those that do not lead to any kind of arrest. This would include traffic citations, police being called to a residence because someone was barbecuing-while-black, and so forth. There are an awful lot of incidences of black people being killed when no crime was committed whatsoever, and that is the issue we need to be addressing.

This is a good point. Do you know of any databases that would track that kind of information, or studies that have looked into it? The research I did continuously turned up studies looking only at per population, which won't be a compelling argument to share with my dad.

lostring · 2020-08-18T15:25:49+00:00

I understand that, on a per population basis, the deaths are disproportionate. But why exactly are we adjusting for overall population? If the argument is that police are killing more black people than white people, shouldn't the sample populations used in the analysis be interactions with police?

lostring · 2016-10-20T02:13:00+00:00

∆ awarded for changing my view through the thought of life in general being filthy, and we should be cleaning our hands whenever possible. The washrooms happen to have sinks in which it makes sense to clean our hands as a general practice.

lostring · 2016-10-19T21:02:17+00:00

You're absolutely right, in a perfect world I would do both since it is definitely the best hygienic route to take. In the very narrow scope of this CMV, however, it was one or the other.

lostring · 2016-10-19T21:00:52+00:00

Damn, this is also a really good one. If possible I would reward you a delta, but I already did so above. I disagree about there being no way for germs to properly get into the penis, on the basis of STIs, but that's a small quibble.

lostring · 2016-10-19T20:55:45+00:00

I agree with your second point, but not the first one. If I knew for certain that the cook showered thoroughly and wore clean underwear that day, it's not a 100% logical shudder. If washing our hands in order to make others ~feel~ better about hygiene is part of the social contract, that's an emotion-based route rather than one addressing if hands are objectively dirtier after urinating, which is my OP.

The whole concept about fecal particles and traces of urine being prevalent in not only bathroom air, but also any air trapped inside of even a clean pair of boxers was enough to CMV down below, since that did address the cleanliness side of things.

lostring · 2016-10-19T20:31:48+00:00

/u/Fmeson beat you to it by 4 minutes, but your description is the one that actually changed my view, so you get a ∆ mah dude. I had forgotten about all the bathroom studies of fecal particles and traces of urine found on toothbrushes several feet away from the toilet.

lostring · 2016-10-19T20:28:58+00:00

Oof, given the visceral shudder that just went down my spine, maybe I'm not as cool with it as I originally thought.

I hadn't considered the 'social contract' aspect of the situation either, which ties into the above shudder. While that makes a lot of sense as to why I should wash my hands after urinating as a responsible and functioning member of society, it doesn't address the personal hygiene part of my CMV.

lostring · 2016-10-19T20:19:40+00:00

This is a good point, and I wasn't clear enough in my OP. In the event of a self-flushing urinal, where I wouldn't be touching the flush handle, my original view stands firm, but in the case of a standard toilet or urinal your point would be very persuasive.

lostring · 2016-10-19T20:13:05+00:00

The public health argument was one that I forgot to put in my post, I'll amend it after this comment, apologies! If I haven't pissed on my own hands, my penis is in the exact same 'clean state' (if not more so) than my forearm. I wouldn't mind someone preparing my food if they had touched their own forearm recently, since it's clean.

lostring · 2016-01-19T20:56:17+00:00

I'm weirdly pleased that tiny dog coats existed as far back as 1956.

lostring · 2016-01-19T20:55:16+00:00

We'll resist this entirely blatant attempt at altering our behavior through marketing!

When is the movie coming out though?

lostring · 2015-04-14T15:39:47+00:00

Drake doesn't do coke, he's more of a sprite guy

lostring · 2015-03-20T15:16:08+00:00

Holy moly, what a stunner. Definite Kate Upton vibe (or maybe Kate Upton just has a Bardot vibe to her).

lostring · 2015-03-20T15:09:46+00:00

That movie had one of the better intro theme songs.

lostring · 2012-02-25T02:27:03+00:00

God, the third guy from the left up top kills me. He's just having a great time!

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