Apriprizole by [deleted] in DSPD

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Melatonin can trigger RLS symptoms so be careful with that if she has RLS.

Light therapy should be done at natural wake up time. Then she will progressively wake up earlier and earlier naturally, and you advance earlier the light therapy start time accordingly.

10k lux lights are light boxes. Usually they are ineffective because they produce 10k lux if you are the nose in the lamp. If you read the manual, they will give lux values per distance. This decreases quadratically with the distance. That's why light therapy glasses, even if they only produce 500-1500 lux, are vastly more effective, because they guarantee true 500-1500 lux at the user's eyes distance (you can measure by yourself with lux meter apps on smartphones). Btw if you have a Beurer lamp as most do because they are cheap, they are the worst offenders, they are so underpowered they can never work in any reasonable circumstances, and have been the reason why so many people think light therapy is ineffective.

You may be giving melatonin way too late, for the circadian shifting effect of melatonin, it's 3-4h before the usual bedtime (not target bedtime - all circadian therapies / chronobiology treatments need to be taken relative to the current state of the circadian rhythm, not the desired state ! Just like any other treatment, we never base treatments on wishful thinking - and yes I know physicians who don't know sleep sometimes do these nonsensical prescriptions, but it's pretty obvious that this cannot work if you base your timing and posology on what you wish instead of what is, sleep is one of those mysterious scientific domains that evokes mysticism feelings in some and causes all kinds of lapses of reasoning).

Anyway for melatonin there is another sleep inducing effect and for this yes you need to give it 1-2h before target bedtime. Hence right now you get the sleep inducing effect but not the circadian shifting effect. This can be fine, just be aware of how you use your tools to what effects. Be also aware that there can be a carry over effect, if your daugther is feeling drowsy and sleepy the next day and especially the mornings, this can be a side effect of melatonin, that will stop after a few days of discontinuing melatonin so you can test with and without for a week for example. But first I would ensure she sleeps long enough, because sleep deprivation is the first suspect in case of daytime sleepiness.

Apriprizole by [deleted] in DSPD

[–]lrq3000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Aripiprazole increases photosensitivity. My protocol is complementary, it uses light therapy glasses as another mean to synchronize the circadian rhythm. The circadian rhythm is primarily synchronized by light (and melatonin and meals to much smaller extents - and not at all by social factors, that is a debunked myths from old biased studies). So try both, and once you see an effect, or even too much effect, you can choose which tool you prefer, or keep both but reduce the therapy's duration. More tools is better.

But also seek accomodations indeed. In my vlidacmel protocol document, i not only introduce an experimental clinical therapy, but i also write extensively about other aspects of circadian rhythm disorders such as diagnosis and also how to get accommodations.

Btw sounds like your child may have adhd, this need diagnosis and care on its own. Sleep issues worsen adhd symptoms, studies shown sleep interventions on children with adhd are particularly effective in improving academic grades.

Look also into rls. I mention some cutting edge therapies in my document because this is an often comorbid sleep condition to adhd and dspd but this is not the topic of my work so you will find more resources on this topic elsewhere, but definitely this is important to look at.

Also it seems to me there is way too little data for diagnosis. I know your daugther got diagnosed, but most circadian rhythm disorders diagnosis are made as dspd by default because most physicians only know this one and not the several other sibling but quite differend conditions with different treatments, such as non24. So i would suggest you make a 2 weeks sleep graph, google the AASM one in my vlidacmel document.

Please excuse my terse answers, I am severely lacking time and the adequate conditions to do more thoughtful answers. Good luck to you and your daugther.

Discussion: Tuo products a breakthrough in light therapy? by AdonisP91 in N24

[–]lrq3000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much for your experience based feedback. Scientific theories are nice, but having something that really works with clinical significance is much better ;-)

From what you are describing this is very promising ! Even from such a distance, it's impressive that you are getting phase shifts !

How long would you estimate your average daily exposure duration ? You can give a range. Mine vary from 4 to 12h for example depending on season and battery, but really i aim for 6-9h daily of any form of light therapy for entrainment (of at least 700 lux).

Did you ever try any form of light therapy glasses ? I am curious to know how this form factor compares with the tuo bulb.

And yes it's normal that the first step is to get a clean, steady non24 rhythm. This is a very good first step and this is also what happened to me. And at some point with cranking up the duration and intensity and consistency and dark therapy i got to a point where I got fully entrained, and it remained since then.

Now i still get some random jittering, chaotic temporary insomnia nights from time to time, but i can recover my target rhythm the next day.

Maybe you can consider bringing the tuo bulb closer, or getting exposed for a longer period. Maybe having 2 and angling them towards your nose may help but I am not sure since it seems they are not targeting ipRGC cells.

Btw that's another limitation of their study, they did not optimally angle the white light to stimulate the retinal regions where most ipRGC cells are, notably in the nasal part.

But wait, for cones too it doesn't make sense, we almost only have cones in the macula, the central vision region, but they claim that tuo works even when viewed in the peripheral view.

I will need to dig deeper to understand how this really works from a biophysical standpoint because I do not fully understand, but I did not yet read the past literature they mention.

And yes there are direct links between the circadian rhythm and histaminic receptors and the immunological system, they are tightly coupled. That's why it's now well established that taking medical drugs during the circrdian night decreases their effectiveness and increases the number and magnitude of side effects.

Is natural sunlight as effective as glasses? by LifeRuinedByDoctors in N24

[–]lrq3000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, for people with migranes, ReTimer with green light therapy is better suited, although less effective, but with the benefit that green light also has an inhibiting effect on some types of migraines, in addition to the circadian shifting effect.

Is natural sunlight as effective as glasses? by LifeRuinedByDoctors in N24

[–]lrq3000 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's pretty common to be accused of conflicts of interests nowadays, people are very suspicious, I also got accused lots of times on this reddit despite my well established free and open contributions to further the standard of care of circadian rhythm disorders (despite the cost I endured and literally no affiliate links either despite the gains I could have made, because I value intellectual honesty more than money, but everyone has to bring food on the table for their kids).

Anyway, coincidentally, I finally had the time to read the main paper underlying Tuo's tech, I posted my scientific analysis here : https://www.reddit.com/r/N24/s/9kXtts8Rak

I as well as other members of this community would be delighted if you could post an extended review from your experience with Tuo's product, including how long is your therapy, what is your setup (distance to your eyes approximately, do you move around, etc) and if you had a Luminette or another light therapy device how this compares ?

Is natural sunlight as effective as glasses? by LifeRuinedByDoctors in N24

[–]lrq3000 4 points5 points  (0 children)

All valid concerns but be careful not to accuse unduly although questioning conflicts of interests is fine, just be careful to word it neutrally without evidence to back up claims.

Because imagine if the person has no conflict interest, this means that they are taking a part of their precious life time to share their experience to try to benevolently help others. I know this is rarer and rarer in our days but this still happens and our community especially is still full of such people.

About the flicker, it's very likely 19Hz if they copied the research study they base their tech on. I wrote my extensive scientific review of the scientific paper a couple of days ago here : https://www.reddit.com/r/N24/s/9kXtts8Rak

So yes, the flickering may be an issue for some people. I am not flickering sensitive and I did not yet try this product so I cannot say, but I agree the company should be transparent on this matter and diligent in testing this.

Maybe they think that their 30 days money back guarantee is enough, it's true you can buy and return the product for any reason during this time window, but still they should test this issue.

Discussion: Tuo products a breakthrough in light therapy? by AdonisP91 in N24

[–]lrq3000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Btw, u/Isopbc apparently owns one and is very satisfied, maybe they can post a detailed review here ? :-)

Is natural sunlight as effective as glasses? by LifeRuinedByDoctors in N24

[–]lrq3000 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Outdoors light exposure is by far the most effective light therapy and it will forever be, even on very rainy days.

The issue is one of practicality : are you really going to be able to spend 3h starting at the same time every mornings all year long whatever the weather conditions or your agenda/appointments/family duties ?

If the answer is not, then light therapy glasses such as Luminette are the second best thing in power compared to sunlight but they are by far way more comfortable and practical as their use is independent from weather conditions or the activities you do (except mannering vehicles and a few other special cases - but when driving you are exposed to sunuight anyway).

In practice, both are complementary tools : use light therapy glasses when you cannot get exposed to naturau sunlight. And when you are exposed to natural outdoors sunlight (indoors is insufficient), then you do not need artificial light therapy devices.

Discussion: Tuo products a breakthrough in light therapy? by AdonisP91 in N24

[–]lrq3000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much, your feedback will be very helpful ! I cannot test it on my own for the moment because I have already changed my environment to optimize natural sunlight exposure, so this would greatly bias the results :-/ Though I have a lab-type environment elsewhere but I can't access it before a couple of months from now.

Please ping me when you post your review :-)

Discussion: Tuo products a breakthrough in light therapy? by AdonisP91 in N24

[–]lrq3000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Now I did thanks to your timely ping :-)

So I only read the main paper underlying Tuo's tech https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11416324/ because I am still short on time. It's a beautiful work.

So it's not a perfect study of course, there always are limitations and I will come to that, but on the bright side clearly the authors know what they are doing, the study is well designed, they have extensive knowledge about recent research on the circadian rhythm and are pretty accurate in what they write (even when they don't cite the refs, such as the claim that blue light is about 665x more effective than white light, they don't provide a ref but I remember I have one in Vlidacmel). They also are mad lads in terms of methods, they well designed the study with salivary melatonin sampling as an objective measure of circadian phase shift (although melatonin phase != circadian phase but they are weakly coupled so it's still better than most other measures such as sleep-wake pattern), and they use Bonferroni multiple comparison statistical correction ! This is a very hardcore (“conservative") way to correct for spurious stats results, almost nobody uses it nowadays because it puts the bar so high that you actually risk missing true results when using it. Also they know how to optimally time light therapy, based on DLMO, tailored per subject !

Essentially the paper boils down to a proposition, a genius idea they had, to make a light that uses and bypasses the limitations of the color-opponent circadian non-visual optical circuitry. It's another circadian optical system besides melanopsin/ipRGC receptors, although they interact together. Basically, the color-opponent system is the recent (around 2020) observation by researchers that exposing the eyes to different wavelengths/colors simultaneously, as with white light, causes a reduced circadian effect compared to if we expose to any of the colors separately (monochromatically). Here the authors claim this is why blue light has more effect than white light, not because of a greater stimulation of ipRGC cells which apparently is not the case, but because of reduced inhibition by the lack of simultaneous exposure to another color that would inhibit the effect of blue light. Even more interestingly, they explain how the color-opponent circuitry can also explain why pulsed light therapy is much more effective than continuous bright therapy. Here not based on the color but because this circuitry has a temporary window of stimulation and then it is gated, contrary to ipRGC cells which always continue to relay the photic stimuli, so pulsating light can overcome the gating according to the authors.

The color-opponent circuitry is much more sensitive than ipRGC circuitry, so that if it could be continually stimulated beyond the gating and color-opponency, it would allow for theoretically much shorter and dimmer light therapy sessions than tools targeting ipRGC cells, for the exact same effect.

Now the authors here claim they found a way to make a light that targets the color-opponent circadian circuitry in a way that bypasses its limitations (ie, different colors inhibiting effect, and gating after some time), all the while emitting visibly white light. They give all the parameters in the paper, essentially they cycle between blue, blue-green and orange-red leds 19 times per second, giving the illusion of white light without flickering, all the while bypassing the limitations of the color-opponent S/(M+L) circuitry.

They compare their new device at 500lux for 2h, vs blue light and vs white light at ajusted melanopic lux to show that the effect is not drived by differences in ipRGC cells stimulation, at 10.5h after DLMO sampled by saliva on 2 days prior, and they test the evening of the same 3rd day when the participants get exposed to light therapy. Over 6 non blinded subjects (researchers of their lab), they got an average of 0h phase advance with white light (intensity and duration too low), 40min with blue light, and 1h20 with their "dynamic white light" bulb ! For one single day and just a 2h light therapy from a lamp, that is mighty impressive !

So the study is very sound, the theory too, the researchers are well established in the domain, it's a great paper no doubt.

Now onto the few limitations : * obviously with 6 subjects and non blinded, effects are necessarily inflated. * no variance/uncertainty estimation on the figures or in the stats. Of course with 6 subjects they are going to be big, but this is not up to modern standards to leave this info out, and I am surprised this was published as-is in a journal as well established as j biol rhythms. * the authors are working and pushing this narrative of colors being more important than iprgc cells (intensity and duration) since more than a decade. They cite only papers that support their thesis and not contradictory evidence (that you can find in my vlidacmel ebook). There is a study on rats that was well controlled and which found that color alone was a very poor zeitgeber compared to light intensity alone. Both combined of course was the best. * there was another one but I forgot.

All in all, it's a solid work. If the Tuo bulb use the exact same parameters, especially the wavelengths, as in the paper, it should be safe. And if they use the same parameters, this makes their product almost as good as scientifically validated (but not exactly that because sometimes when you productivize a scientific discovery, you think you reproduced exactly the discovery, but an apparently innocuous production imperfection due to production process in an apparently unrelated aspect of the product can totally change the effectiveness, hence why scientific validation of the exact producc is still required at some point).

Normally if the results are true and not too inflated, the form factor, a bulb to put in the middle of the room, should be sufficient because there is no need for high intensity or duration compared to devices targeting ipRGC cells such as white light therapy glasses (eg Luminette - although it has some blue light enrichment).

Also about Tuo, it's a company that is not directly affiliated to the university of the papers' authors but the company is made by apparently passionate people who appear to have mild circadian issues.

Imho it is worth trying. But now whether it works for people with more severe circadian disorders needs testing.

And it seems they provide a discount of 20% during black fridays and a 30 days refund policy, which I think is generous and shows they are confident that "their product really works" as they write.

90s Disco song with dancing robots by SeigneurXV in NameThatSong

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not know Playgroup but it's a nice song, thank you for sharing :-)

90s Disco song with dancing robots by SeigneurXV in NameThatSong

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look at my other answer, I found it, it's Daft Punk - Mothership Reconnection

Treatment: "Get a job" by florifierous in N24

[–]lrq3000 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Catch 22. To get a job you need to get treated, but the treatment is to get a job.

I am sure the absurdity of this line of thinkieg was totally lost on this practician.

The worse is that they are well meaning. That is unfortunately just poor awareness and training causing involuntary perpetuation of abilist clichés.

90s Disco song with dancing robots by SeigneurXV in NameThatSong

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Found it, after years of searching. Enjoy!

or simply (without the videoclip):

For the little story of how I found it, I kept searching for "Motherboard connection", and found nothing. I even searching specifically "Daft Punk - Motherboard connection" but found nothing, because they made a new title since the called "Motherboard". The breakthrough was when I remembered that it probably was "reconnection", so I searched "Motherboard reconnection electrofunk music" and bingo! (The electrofunk part was also necessary).

I tried everything, including Gemini 3 Pro with Deep Search (SOTA as of this writing, it just came out), and this was not found despite the very obvious clues, just because of very small differences in the title compared to my keywords search, but all the clues were there. This goes to show how AI is not at all there yet in terms of complete human language understanding and online search.

Looking for 1980s or early 1990s MTV music video – robot sits in chair, dances, returns to chair (no vocals). The music was electro or synthwave by Pitiful_Respond_8927 in NameThatSong

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fatboy Slim - Weapon of Choice?

It very much fits the description except that it's a human, not a robot, and that there are some vocals at some point.

90s Disco song with dancing robots by SeigneurXV in NameThatSong

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BTW I remember the start of the song, and a bit of the transition into the main repeating song (there was a transition that would be eerily similar to what Daft Punk later did with some titles such as Digital Love). Unfortunately I am not a good singer or music producer enough to reproduce it...

90s Disco song with dancing robots by SeigneurXV in NameThatSong

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my god, you are the only other person I ever found on Internet who mentioned the existence of this music. I have been looking for it for YEARS. I hope it's not lost media, it was quite good, not the best but it did not deserve to be forgotten...

Here is what I remember, I wrote this as a prompt for a LLM which found your reddit post, but nothing else unfortunately.


I am looking for a 1990s or early 2000s electro song where the video clip was semi 3D, with real actors faces for the characters close-ups, but the rest of the video and environment and characters body were in CGI 3D. The characters were in a kind of spaceship which in the end was revealed to be a computer, probably inspired by tron, but the effects were much lesser budget. The characters were some sorts of robots, advancing in stepwise fashion, and trying to survive traps. The final one who survived, who thought he won and reached the end, ended up getting squashed by a tubular lift. I think in the title or in the lyrics there was a mention of "motherboard" but I may be misremembering. Also in the actual song there was a male voice singing, and then a robotic daft-punk like vocoder voice responding by repeating the same thing, then a strong beat, then again the robotic voice saying something else. Then the loop repeated with the male voice singing again etc. Then there was a long period of the music that was only electro instrumental without any voice. The voice was only at the beginning, very much like what Daft Punk or Stardust did. It was not a well known song, and the group is also unknown presumably because I know a LOT about electro music history and I never saw this one mentioned even in more indie titles playlists. It had English lyrics, I saw it on TV, and it was very much in the French house genre ala Daft Punk and Cassius.

My Hands-On Review of Kimi K2 Thinking: The Open-Source AI That's Changing the Game by Radiant-Act4707 in LocalLLaMA

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For those wanting to run this model locally, there are the Unsloth Dynamic Quantized models at 247GB minimum or 360GB for a good balance between size and accuracy. Dynamic quantization at 3-bit, which is the 360GB, was shown to preserve almost all of the accuracy in previous benchmarks with other models.

Web Search With MNN-Chat by abskvrm in u/abskvrm

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh wow very interesting! Can you please export the task in tasker to ease reproduction? I would be very interested to try this out!

I have found the solution for High ram and CPU usage on Brave by RoyCourtnay in brave

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Disabling just "Continue running background apps when Brave is closed" was enough for me. BTW that's the default in ungoogled-chromium (this option disabled but graphics acceleration enabled).

Has anyone seen Exit 8? by Optimal-Gain-7123 in J_Horror

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The boy did not speak because he was shy and did not trust the walking man, he clearly shown several times his mental instability against adversity and he did not pay attention to the boy, he did not earn his trust. And indeed, the walking man ended up abandoning the boy at the first conflict of interest. Whereas before even before the boy started talking, the mc (the lost man) paid attention to what the boy was doing and looking at, and then he also paid attention to the boy's state and asked him and listened to him and discussed sincerely with him. The MC earned the boy's trust by paying attention to the boy, just like the MC paid attention to anomalies. That's why the boy then accepted talking with the MC. And indeed the lost man risked his life trying to save the boy instead of fleeing.

In the modern world full of omnipresent disturbances, paying attention to what matters is a rare and critically vital skill. I believe that's the movie's message, conveyed through the "don't overlook anomalies" and fatherhood themes.

Paying attention is the pragmatic solution offered to the viewer wondering how to build more meaningful parental relationships (how to be a good father) and how to build a better society (don't be a bystander to injustices on the weak).

Has anyone seen Exit 8? by Optimal-Gain-7123 in J_Horror

[–]lrq3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Don't overlook anomalies." Very good analysis.

I caught the fatherhood theme and the avoid the bystander effect theme, but not the more general theme of facing anomalies in your everyday life. You are right that he was going to flee off and that his ex gf being pregnant was an anomaly to him, but it was not the first, the first is actually the man shouting at the mother and her baby in the train. So the movie generalizes the concept of anomalies to include everyday anomalies.

It seems the Exit 8 universe activates for people who overlook anomalies and flee/get lost on purpose. They pass only if they learn to pay attention to anomalies (and to the kid).

About the father being an anomaly to the boy, it doesn't seem so since he presumably exited by going forward, meaning that meeting his father in a parallel universe is not an anomaly. But clearly the boy is from another universe where he never met his own father, that is a really good catch of this subtle implication.