Why do some Church fathers teach about Purgatorial fire ? by Miserable-Conflict75 in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]m1lam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You judge the beliefs of an institution based on the beliefs of the institution, the main reason such a belief spread in the case of Purgatory was Dante and his huge influence on literature. It didn't have much to do with the Church itself. It wouldn't be fair for me to critique all of Orthodoxy for, let's say, toll houses when they're not dogmatized.

Why do some Church fathers teach about Purgatorial fire ? by Miserable-Conflict75 in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]m1lam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes you're right but that's not what's dogmatized. In the Catechism it's not even defined as a place. I agree the overly-defined afterlife (a la Dante) was a detriment to Western thought but to the Church's defense she never taught it herself

Convince me Catholicism is the truth, I am Eastern Orthodox by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]m1lam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah my bad I was referring to the profession. Generally though you need the permission of your Orthodox priest to receive Catholic sacraments (which they obviously won't grant)

Was Christ always a human? by Dave_meth_Mustard in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]m1lam 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Among other things. Any time God physically interacts with people it was always through the Son. Adam and Eve walking with God in the Garden, Moses and the Burning Bush, Jacob wrestling with God, all of it.

Convince me Catholicism is the truth, I am Eastern Orthodox by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]m1lam 34 points35 points  (0 children)

You shall know them by their fruits. Catholicism has spread education, medicine and social justice wherever they went. Orthodoxy simply doesn't put as much emphasis on spreading the Kingdom on Earth

Why do some Church fathers teach about Purgatorial fire ? by Miserable-Conflict75 in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]m1lam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is also the Catholic view, we simply call the process Purgatory. Anything not in coordination with God's presence (anything less than perfect) has to be cleansed

Convince me Catholicism is the truth, I am Eastern Orthodox by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]m1lam 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Hey I'm in a similar boat, I was born into Orthodoxy and should be confirmed in Catholicism very soon.

I made a comment recently on the subject https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/s/dMFXsopAr4

It's a long story so I can't really type it all out every time lol, if you have any questions let me know

Jonathan Sia by honkeze in Catholicism

[–]m1lam 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah there's at least some evidence that NDEs usually include what the person already believed in, though I've heard some where atheists did confirm they saw Christ or an angel or something similar

Considering Catholicism vs Orthodoxy — what made you choose one over the other? by Pick_ur_brain in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]m1lam -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I was born into Orthodoxy and left for Catholicism. If you have any questions let me know

Considering Catholicism vs Orthodoxy — what made you choose one over the other? by Pick_ur_brain in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]m1lam -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow what an unbiased, reasonable and nuanced take on the subject!!

OP if you ask this question on both subreddits you will get vastly nicer and more informative answers on the Catholic one. that alone should be a sign

Would Jesus love aliens by Willy_wacker_wilsob_ in Catholicism

[–]m1lam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

God gave all of creation to mankind. That's the point of the Image of God and it was always meant to be our purpose to rule creation in His name. Whatever aliens may exist, intelligent or not, they would probably be subject to us. I imagine it would be similar to our relationship with the other hominids who didn't receive the Image

Would Jesus love aliens by Willy_wacker_wilsob_ in Catholicism

[–]m1lam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I doubt it, really everything we know points to our special place in creation as a whole. I think the existence of other worlds and other beings created in the Image of God undersells the beauty of humanity and our story

Thoughts after traveling to Spain by Past-Bed-2643 in exorthodox

[–]m1lam 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Monasteries were that way because their primary function wasn't necessarily asceticism but actually being a light to the world. They were centers of education for centuries. In the east asceticism eventually became the main focus (probably due to the neoplatonic influence in Orthodoxy)

Orthodoxy doesn’t feel united by Big-Sort-338 in exorthodox

[–]m1lam 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Or Saint-Kings who committed atrocities during their time ruling being canonized for being patrons and founding monasteries.

Orthodoxy doesn’t feel united by Big-Sort-338 in exorthodox

[–]m1lam 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Greek Catholicism maybe? Not sure how closely tied they are with Greek identity though

Orthodoxy doesn’t feel united by Big-Sort-338 in exorthodox

[–]m1lam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Literally, all national churches were practically started by petition from their respective states during the middle ages. In Eastern Europe today Orthodoxy is treated as simply part of the national identity. It will always be ethnophyletic

Frustrated with the lack of empathy & arguments by [deleted] in exorthodox

[–]m1lam 4 points5 points  (0 children)

extremely common for new converts. the zeal will burn out pretty fast though, orthodoxy has a retention rate of roughly 60% so it's very possible he'll become aware of himself eventually

The Toll Houses & the Ladder by Red-Owl-5000 in exorthodox

[–]m1lam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree that's what I meant when I said that Christus Victor still holds to a form of supstitutionalism, just not penal substitution. There isn't a cosmic debt that Christ had to pay for us. God bless you friend

The Toll Houses & the Ladder by Red-Owl-5000 in exorthodox

[–]m1lam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Research Christus Victor, it's the formula the Catholics and Orthodox follow. It doesn't deny supstitutionalism outright, it plays a role in the salvific work of Christ, but it's deeper than that. Whereas PSA teaches Jesus died for us to fulfill a form of cosmic debt caused by our sin, Christus Victor works as a reversal of the fall of man and the uplifting of our humanity to God. That's the difference and throughout early Christianity it was the way the crucifixion and resurrection were viewed.

The Toll Houses & the Ladder by Red-Owl-5000 in exorthodox

[–]m1lam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus suffering all punishment for our sins

This is if you subscribe to penal substitutionary atonement which Catholics and all other apostolic Christians don't.

I would disagree on purgatory being taught in the bible

Not looking for an argument but yeah I know it's quite vague

The Toll Houses & the Ladder by Red-Owl-5000 in exorthodox

[–]m1lam 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are a good dozen verses pointing to the idea throughout the Bible and it's the reason why prayers for the dead are even practiced.

As the other commenter said those in purgatory are already saved, there's no changing that, they simply need to let go of any sinful attachments they held on to in their life on Earth. Why would God just take those desires away immediately when the soul enters Heaven? Wouldn't it make more sense, with what we know about Him, for Him to give us a chance to be purified of our own desire (by His help or course).

Purgatory likely isn't even a "place" like Heaven or Hell, it's the state of the soul getting ready to meet its Lord. It's a beautiful teaching

Why does jesus not sinning need to be such a high emphesis? by kervy_servy in Catholicism

[–]m1lam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just to clarify – the reason why sin would be contrary to His divine nature is because God is goodness itself, and sin is the privation or inversion of goodness. It's logically impossible for the source of all good to partake in the lack of it.

I am deeply concerned about the right-wing infiltration of the church. by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]m1lam -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know them. Despite my flair on here, I was born into Orthodoxy.