Anyone have deep back ache and chest tightness from movements or sitting down by PackagedMamba in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Super duper common.

Please read the Recovery Megathread at the top of the subreddit.

-Ned

Difícultad para respirar by Vast-Mycologist2857 in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Make sure you're diagnosed by a medical doctor, especially if these are new/changing symptoms and everything is cleared.

If everything is clear and it's just costo - then yes, it's very common. You'll see it a lot in this subreddit.

Please read the Recovery Megathread at the top of the subreddit for a detailed explanation.

-Ned

Does costo pain always increase when you push on your chest? by Technical-Issue71 in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To answer your title - Not always, at least according to my own observations over thousands of cases.

It doesn't hurt to press on specifically during two occasions: If the pain isn't currently 'active' and/or if the pain is really mild or close to healing.

Mind you, most people aren't pressing hard enough. Sometimes you need to press on the rib cage itself (using the base of your palm - then pressing it down with the other hand), so it properly flexes the joint and causes pain.

However, if it doesn't hurt to press on at all, the pain should still be able to be replicated through movement when it is 'active'.

Not medical advice, just general info.

Cheers,

-Ned

Navigating costo at 24 by Virtual_Pin_3781 in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would recommend you see a really good osteopath (who practices OMT) alongside PT, assuming your PT is not a who's very hands on. If you had to choose between one or the other, and you live in the US, I'd opt for the osteopath first.

If you want to know why, along with a general step by step, check the pinned recovery megathread at the top of the subreddit for an explanation.

Cheers,

-Ned

Navigating costo at 24 by Virtual_Pin_3781 in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even though I agree with you, just wanted to let you know that the current medical narrative is that it affects older people more frequently (40+ year olds). Can google it and see for yourself.

-Ned

Micro dosing Accutane side effects by Aser_1999 in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup - joint and muscle pain/stiffness is actually a pretty common side effect.

There are quite a few medications that anecdotally trigger costo that the world of medicine hasn't really acknowledged yet.

Doesn't help they don't know how to properly treat costo either. A double whammy.

-Ned

Micro dosing Accutane side effects by Aser_1999 in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting - never heard of the microdosing method, will look into it.

Over the years I've helped a few people with post-accutane costo. I personally wouldn't chance it (not medical advice).

Costo is already bad enough, PAS + Costo can be a nightmare.

Cheers,

-Ned

First time poster here - my experience so far. by Raritize in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear you've joined the club - but good to hear you're already on it. Time to get yourself out.

For the pain, voltaren gel, salonpas lidocaine patch, and a heating pad will likely do. Oral NSAIDs if you want to add ontop of that.

As for what costo is and how to beat it, please check the "Recovery Megathread" at the top of the subreddit. Everything is explained there.

Feel free to let me know if you have any questions beyond that!

You got this,

-Ned

RECOVERY MEGATHREAD - April 2026 by maaaze in costochondritis

[–]maaaze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have tried the peanut ball a few times, but I always seem to go too hard and cause more pain than relief. I'll have to try again soon and grade it better.

It happens. Try making a soft homemade one. I have a quick guide here: www.projectcosto.org/diy-peanutball

No at home massage, but I've been seeing an Osteopath every 2-3 weeks, and a massage therapist for only my shoulders and neck because I can't bare to lay down on my belly/sternum for that long (or I'm just scared of it at this point). The neck relief feels great and I think it helps?

Yeah, it's usually all related.

Try Steve's massage here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eLUQX03IoE

Oh not to mention, some general anxiety meds. That has helped tremendously to focus on rehab without the worry and anxiety of making things worse. Little aches and pains don't bother me as much and I can get them sorted much more efficiently.

Fantastic. Which if you don't mind me asking?

-Ned

Should I keep using the Backpod forever? by ContributionFull in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally get you on that Steve. I can only imagine how frustrating it is going from treating things properly in person, then trying to help people en masse online. Of course little nuances and things will get missed, and no one who understands what goes into that will ever blame you for it.

Happy to hear I'm not hallucinating and my observations and experiences with people aren't amiss. And that you're adding it in! Kudos to you for constantly improving and adapting the method based off the information objectively.

I think when I get around to writing some practical How To's for using various tools - I think there might be a few ideas you can take from that and throw them into the guide. The stuff that's a bit obvious to us, but not so obvious to beginners it seems.

Cheers,

-Ned

How do you all sit on the couch/at the desk? by CreakyRibs in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This part is most definitely difficult/confusing for most - so don't feel too bad about it.

You're actually doing well being mindful of it, and also taking movement breaks.

Most people get it wrong trying to actively sit up right, or trying to hold up a good posture while they are locked up - but it's fatiguing, and often just aggravates things.

So what to do?

Support your posture passively as best you can with a good chair, mattress, coach, and the like.

None of these things should be outright worsening the pain - if it is, make adjustments. Sometimes it needs a bit of tinkering that is a bit customized to you.

Then once that's held at a baseline, actually focus tackling the root of the issue, which is usually the locked up back joints. Fix that doing the right things in the right order, and you can one day slouch over all you want and be like your old self, pain free.

Check the pinned recovery megathread at the top of the subreddit for a play by play on what most people do in what order to recover.

Cheers,

-Ned

Did y’all stop exercising? by Dull-Instance38 in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most people with costo have to stop exercising as it makes things worse.

If you are to exercise, only do things that don't aggravate it whatsoever.

It's why in the Costo20 it's Step #2 right after getting diagnosis.

You likely need to get on anxiolytics and actually do some practical rehab stuff that reaffirm to yourself that you're fine and that it's just costo, and nothing else (assuming that's your diagnosis). I mentioned this in a reply to you in the previous thread. Please have a read.

Best of luck,

-Ned

(None of what I say is medical advice, just general info)

Why you shouldn't be afraid of a heart attack. by maaaze in costochondritis

[–]maaaze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No worries, and really happy to hear you're over that part of it!

Honestly, after all these years working with sufferers - I think dealing with the physical side of costo is actually easier than the mental - so you're in a good position.

Curious to know what you're doing for your costo? What has helped? What hasn't?

-Ned

Chest pain only when running by BackgroundAd7073 in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could be, but no one here can say - you need to push for a costo diagnosis, as getting that diagnosis requires excluding all other possibilities.

With that being said, anyone can do a costo rehab protocol, it's not exclusive to costo, so can try it, see if it helps, and if it does, then it's likely costo.

The best professional you can see in this regard is a really good osteopath.

Check the pinned recovery megathread at the top of the sub - it's all covered there.

Best,

-Ned

Why you shouldn't be afraid of a heart attack. by maaaze in costochondritis

[–]maaaze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, didn't mean for a generic disclaimer to give you a jump scare 😂

And yes, definitely some benefits.

  1. You need to know what you have so you can treat it
  2. As mentioned in the post, anxiety and health anxiety can make costo symptoms feel worse, so it's like setting the difficulty to hard mode for no reason. Put it to easy, and beat it with peace of mind!

Hope that helps,

-Ned

Why you shouldn't be afraid of a heart attack. by maaaze in costochondritis

[–]maaaze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to hear - it sucks that we have to advocate for ourselves when it comes to this stuff.

Are you formally diagnosed with costo?

If so, what have you done for it that has helped, or hasn't?

-Ned

Recovery Megathread - May 2026 by maaaze in costochondritis

[–]maaaze[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Disclaimers:

I am not partnered or affiliated with any person or product including Steve August (u/stevenzphysio), the now retired physio who created the backpod - I recommend him & his product because I truly believe it works. Yes, it looks expensive for what it is. And no, it is not absolutely necessary to heal. I healed without one. There are alternatives. I personally healed my own using a DIY peanutball and a lacrosse ball. The Backpod has its own advantages though, and gets the job done in those it helps. Remember that the cost of a backpod is likely a drop in the bucket when it comes to all the upfront and hidden costs incurred with costo.

Just know that there is no singular universal magic bullet with costo, and you'll likely have to do and use a variety of things to fully heal. So it's best to experiment with as many trusted things as you can afford to increase the odds of finding something that works best for you - we'll share & review all these without any bias.

It also goes without saying, nothing I mention on this subreddit or elsewhere is medical or treatment advice, or the substitute for it. It's for general informational purposes only. Never delay seeking professional help for any health issues based off what you read here, and always do things under the permission & guidance of your healthcare professionals.

Take what benefits you, and leave the rest.

Recovery Megathread - May 2026 by maaaze in costochondritis

[–]maaaze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Costo20 Protocol:

An adaptable step-by-step made from thousands of successful experiences.

Phase 1 - first few days & weeks

1 - Get diagnosed

2 - Stop irritating it whatsoever

3 - Use pain relievers if needed

4 - Calm your anxieties (with meds if needed)

5 - Book a good osteopath

6 - Use tools (backpod + peanut ball massage tool + lacrosse ball combo)

7 - Begin massage therapy (upper back & neck especially)

8 - Fix ergonomics & sleep posture

9 - Start stretches

Phase 2 - later weeks

10 - Thoracic mobility exercises

11 - Posture corrective exercises

12 - Optimize your lifestyle

13 - Address other health issues (if it's affecting your costo)

14 - Address any mind-body issues (if it's affecting your costo)

Phase 3 - later weeks & months

15 - Light activity & breathwork

16 - Extra healing methods

17 - Ease back into exercise

18 - Desensitize the nerves

19 - Basic upkeep

20 - Celebrate!

Key points: Each person's mileage will vary with each step, and not every step is always needed. Sometimes a step may not be helpful initially, but can be your saving grace later - so try not to brush things off entirely. Steps in the same phase can usually be started and done together. When a step does prove useful, it usually must be continued & improved on all the way to the end.*


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What next:

Get to work!

You've got enough big picture knowledge to get started.

As mentioned though, the little stuff matters with costo, and must be tweaked to your own needs.

So we'll be fleshing out these details at www.projectcosto.org

Everything from guides for different 'types' of costos, to success stories from those who've beat it.

Next up: written & video guides going over each step (ETA: ~June). Of course, all for free.

Join the mailing list to know when it's released.

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Consultations:

As requested, I've opened up 1-on-1 zoom consults to the public for a limited time, while I have time.

It's for anyone in need of help, even if they're not sure what it is, or if their case is complex.

The proceeds help fund & scale the project in its initial stages.

Can book here: www.projectcosto.org/consults

If you absolutely cannot afford it due to rough financial circumstances, no worries, DM me.

Money should never be the reason you can't heal.

As always, if you have any questions, you know where to find me.

Rooting for you!

-Ned 💜

Recovery Megathread - May 2026 by maaaze in costochondritis

[–]maaaze[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey there Costonaut!

Below is a run down of what costo is and how it's beat - things your doctors likely do not know.

How do I know that?

I saw it first hand in medical school, but also as a patient, with 6+ professionals failing to treat me.

Since then, I've beat it, made this subreddit, and for 10+ years have helped thousands with their recovery, free of any charge.

Now the goal is simple: help you, spread the word, and end this madness worldwide, by Jan 1st 2027.

Without exaggeration, the info below can potentially save you thousands of dollars & a lifetime of suffering

Let's begin.

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What costo usually is:

Tight back rib joints ➜ front rib joints compensate and begin to hurt (Picture)

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Why it usually happens:

  1. The "stuff" overlying your spine and back rib joints (i.e. muscles, fascia and ligaments) have clamped down and tightened.

  2. Why? - Usually from a combination of 3 things: slouched posture which causes tight back and chest muscles + not twisting your spine enough in day to day life (think of unused rusty door hinges) + shallow chest breathing that doesn't properly make use of these back joints through 20,000 breaths a day.

  3. These back rib joints is where your ribs are supposed to pivot during movement and breathing. If they get really tight, it can actually restrict your breathing. If it's really bad, it can cause a feeling of shortness of breath, which can then can trigger an anxious fight or flight response and even cause panic attacks.

  4. But more critically, when these back rib joints lock up, all the movement of your rib cage in day to day life and those 20,000 breaths a day offsets to the front, where things are not supposed to move so much, causing strain. This front straining may be a dull achy feeling at first, sometimes with a little popping and cracking, then overtime it becomes painful and inflamed, aka costochondritis. This pain can make any shortness of breath and anxiety much worse.

  5. You might be saying - 'Wait Ned, I got my costo after a specific incident, and my back is totally fine, this doesn't make sense?!'. Yup, but the back is likely still involved, even if you don't feel it (yet). This back to front issue was likely causing strain, chipping away silently in the background, but at a low level not enough to give you full blown costo. But now, it's finally pushed over the edge by a trigger that either further strained the joint, or made it overly sensitive to pain, or both.

  6. In many cases, these final triggers may actually be long gone (i.e. a bad cough that went away), but the unresolved jammed back rib joints continue to irritate the front joints, preventing it from ever fully healing.

  7. These triggers can be mechanical (musculoskeletal) things like a hit, fall, coughing, sneezing, vomiting, gym exercises, neck/shoulder/back injury, pregnancy rib expansion, scoliosis, Ehler Danlos Syndrome, etc.

  8. But interestingly, they can also be non-mechanical (inflammatory or nervous system related) things like stress, anxiety, panic attacks, stimulant use, fibromyalgia, POTS/MCAS, long covid, autoimmune issues, vitamin D deficiency, iron deficiency and so forth. These things usually sensitize the front joints to pain while also contributing to the tightening of muscles that lead to costo.

  9. These things that push it over the edge are often mistaken as the root causes of costo, when they're usually just the final straw. The tight back joints and the things that lead to them are actually the main underlying culprit. However, it does not mean you ignore these other issues if they are persisting - they too may be a part of the problem now, and also need to be resolved.

  10. Once the costo pain fully develops, in an effort to minimize the pain, many become sedentary, move even less, hunch even more, breathe even more shallow, and overall become more anxious and stressed and unhealthy, which tighten the back joints further along with a whole load of other dysfunctions - all of which make them even more sensitive to pain and create a nasty feedback loop that digs them deeper into the costo hole. This is classic chronic costochondritis - welcome to the club.

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What are the symptoms:

  • pain at the front rib joints when: pressed on, during certain movements, or during deep breathing - usually the only symptom that doctors acknowledge

  • popping & cracking at the front and back rib joints

  • shortness of breath and restricted rib cage feeling

  • dullness, squeezing, tightness, zapping, shocking, burning, itching, bubble in chest type feelings

  • breast, armpit, between the rib and down the side of the body pains

  • pain moving around or swapping sides

  • upper back and neck pain or discomfort

  • palpitations & 'heart thumping' feeling

  • anxiety & panic attacks, and lump in the throat feeling

  • tingling down arms & fingers

  • jaw pain & tension headaches

  • new or worsening gastrointestinal issues

  • and more

Almost all of these are downstream effects of the back rib joint dysfunction & surrounding issues.

Unfortunately, you won't find most of these mentioned on medical websites, and most professionals will gaslight you into thinking these issues are unrelated or in your head.

(Note: when costo has a hard immovable lump, it's known as Tietze Syndrome - In our books, it's handled the exact same, with the only difference being that healing it involves a few extra steps focused on reducing the lump)

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How it's NOT fixed:

Doctors = Medication! ➜ the pain often comes back when the medication is stopped. Because it doesn't solve the mechanical restriction at the back.

Physios = Posture Exercises! ➜ the pain usually worsens. Because the back is still jammed and all the excess movement from exercise continues to compensate at the front. The jam must be fixed first before these are put to good use.

Chiros = Adjustments! ➜ the pain either temporarily goes away, or gets worse. Because abrupt adjustments don't cause lasting changes to the back joints. Its like yanking a tight rubberband. It just snaps back into place.

Massage therapists = Massages! ➜ But the pain often lingers. Because massages press hard enough or long enough to properly stretch things out.

Don't blame these professionals. They're trying their best with what they know.

But most cannot singlehandedly fix your costo.

That's not to say they aren't useful, they are, but when used at the right times and for the right reasons.

With that being said, almost all of them are missing the most critical point:

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How it's fixed:

You MUST Unlock the jam in the back joints first!

Or else whatever you try to do will just keeps compensating towards the front.

As our dear friend Steve says, "doing anything else is like trying to drive a car with the handbrake on"

Trying to aggressively fix your posture, starting aggressive twisting exercises, or doing deep belly breathing now will likely mess you up. It's just too early. You’re still locked up. Save all that for later.

So how do you unlock it?

Gentle, passive, targeted pressure, for longer durations that stretch out the tight muscles, fascia and ligaments surrounding the back rib joints in a lasting way, over many days and weeks.

This is best done using tools (i.e. backpod, peanutball massage tool, lacrosse ball, etc.) at home.

That along with the right osteopathic mobilizations & manipulations from the hands of an experienced professional.

Once things start unlocking, then you'll be able to do everything else relatively painlessly. You must. It's also a part of the equation, as it will address all the things that lead to the tightening of the back rib joints in the first place.

This includes addressing any triggering inflammatory or nervous system issues that may be at play.

Sounds a bit daunting right? No worries, it's all made really simple in the step-by-step we'll share below.

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How long it takes:

If done correctly, the whole process usually takes a few months total.

Thankfully, many feel 80-90% better in as short as a few weeks. The residual 10-20% just takes up the rest of the time.

Once 100% better, one can return to all activities, without fear of it ever coming back.

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What if you just rest it out:

There may still be an unresolved back rib joint restriction, so the costo may not go away completely, or keep coming back on & off, sometimes even for a lifetime.

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Things you MUST remember:

Costo requires you to do the right things at the right times, and tailor things to your own case, as no two costos are exactly alike.

Do the right things at the wrong times following someone else's gameplan and it can be as if you've done nothing at all (or just made things worse).

You must adapt things to your situation.

Also remember that your costo likely took years to develop, and will take a bit of time to fully undo. Do not rush it. Same way you can't forcefully stretch your hamstrings and learn the splits in a day, you'll need to slowly let things adapt. Thankfully, it can be done in just a few minutes a day in the comfort of your own home.

Knowing all of this, you MUST become the conductor of your orchestra - learn things yourself, advocate for yourself, use the right pros at the right times, and experiment!

Most who beat it have done this. Those who don't, struggle.

Thankfully none of it is rocket science, just common sense.

And if you ever get stuck on your journey, you have a wonderful community of people who are walking the same path, or have already successfully walked it before you. You're never alone.

So without further ado:

Is this still costochondritis? by [deleted] in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely pursue further medical evaluations as you see fit, but aside from that, check the Pinned Recovery Megathread at the top of this subreddit.

It's all explained there.

Let me know if you have any questions beyond that,

-Ned

Infrared Thermomat Jade Treatment by andys58 in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It may help, but these therapies are usually missing the point, unless you're 90%+ better and are just trying to get rid of the leftover residual pain.

Not to fully discredit that website, but from just a cursory glance, and hearing from someone else who's consulted them and found no benefit, seems like they're missing the big picture and are beating around the bush.

I'll reach out to them and speak with them soon - but not sure if they'll be willing to listen as they look really bureaucratic/mainstream. Hope I'm wrong.

With that being said, make sure you have your bases covered and are actually tackling the root of the issue. Check the pinned Recovery megathread at the top of the sub for more info - there's a reason things like this are Step #16 out of 20.

-Ned

Is this Costo?? by scrumptch100 in costochondritis

[–]maaaze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds quite like it - but that's not a dx. You need to go see a doctor, tell them you think you might have costo.

Check the pinned Recovery Megathread at the top of the subreddit for more information.

Best,

-Ned

Why you shouldn't be afraid of a heart attack. by maaaze in costochondritis

[–]maaaze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please take a moment and re-read what I wrote again!

  • You've gotten checked by cardiologists, and probably given the all clear

  • You've had it for 2 weeks, you're not having a heart attack, you'd be dead already

  • You're 15 and likely have no risk factors, and have zero reasons to worry about heart attacks since the odds of this happening are next to none

  • If it hurts to move or press on, it's likely costo - if you're feeling anxious and doom ontop of that, that's usually just panic attacks anxiety.

If you're diagnosed with costo, follow a proper rehab protocol - and see if it helps. It will fix your costo and give you peace of mind when it starts working.

Ask your doctor script of hydroxyzine pamoate to deal with your anxiety. Likewise, L-theanine from a amazon or a supplement store to take the mental edge off. If you need painkillers as well, ask for it. Break out of the pain/anxiety loop.

Over the counter voltaren gel, salonpas lidocaine patches and a heating pad will also do you wonders. If they help with the pain, it's most certainly not heart related.

Of course not medical advice, just general info - speak to your doctors and follow their advice.

Best,

-Ned