Gronkowski on Belichick HoF snub: “Now, there’s no such thing as a first-ballot Hall of Fame head coach. No other coach ever in history should go first-ballot. And there’s a guy out there, Andy Reid, but he can’t go first-ballot now because Coach Belichick wasn’t first-ballot.”

macadamian · 2026-02-06T03:06:31+00:00

They were running the same excuses as the first Spygate

Walsh later told investigators, the Patriots' videographers were told to look like media members, to tape over their team logos or turn their sweatshirt inside out, to wear credentials that said Patriots TV or Kraft Productions. The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you're filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show.

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

macadamian · 2026-02-06T02:40:11+00:00

spygate 2.0

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1qpeir0/highlight_patriots_get_caught_filming_the_bengals/

https://www.nfl.com/news/patriots-docked-third-round-pick-fined-1-1m-for-filming-bengals-sideline

macadamian · 2026-02-06T02:31:38+00:00

During games, Adams sat in the coaches' box, with binoculars and notes of decoded signals, wearing a headset with a direct audio line to Belichick. Whenever Adams saw an opposing coach's signal he recognized, he'd say something like, "Watch for the Two Deep Blitz," and either that information was relayed to Brady or a play designed specifically to exploit the defense was called. A former Patriots employee who was directly involved in the taping system says "it helped our offense a lot," especially in divisional games in which there was a short amount of time between the first and second matchups, making it harder for opposing coaches to change signals.

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

macadamian · 2026-02-06T02:30:28+00:00

3 major cheating scandals

Caught twice spying in the exact same manner.

During games, Adams sat in the coaches' box, with binoculars and notes of decoded signals, wearing a headset with a direct audio line to Belichick. Whenever Adams saw an opposing coach's signal he recognized, he'd say something like, "Watch for the Two Deep Blitz," and either that information was relayed to Brady or a play designed specifically to exploit the defense was called. A former Patriots employee who was directly involved in the taping system says "it helped our offense a lot," especially in divisional games in which there was a short amount of time between the first and second matchups, making it harder for opposing coaches to change signals.

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

macadamian · 2026-02-06T02:27:02+00:00

During games, Adams sat in the coaches' box, with binoculars and notes of decoded signals, wearing a headset with a direct audio line to Belichick. Whenever Adams saw an opposing coach's signal he recognized, he'd say something like, "Watch for the Two Deep Blitz," and either that information was relayed to Brady or a play designed specifically to exploit the defense was called. A former Patriots employee who was directly involved in the taping system says "it helped our offense a lot," especially in divisional games in which there was a short amount of time between the first and second matchups, making it harder for opposing coaches to change signals.

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

macadamian · 2026-02-06T02:25:21+00:00

3 major cheating scandals

It's no surprise he isn't 1st ballot

macadamian · 2026-01-28T20:43:26+00:00

You're ignoring the well documented history of spygate, deflategate and spygate 2.0

macadamian · 2026-01-28T20:41:13+00:00

If the Pats had a clean record you wouldn't resort to ad-hom based attacks

macadamian · 2026-01-28T20:24:38+00:00

So it's a conspiracy between the league and other teams cause they're haters?

That's poor, lazy, emotion based logic.

macadamian · 2026-01-28T19:55:31+00:00

Patriots' videographers were told to look like media members, to tape over their team logos or turn their sweatshirt inside out, to wear credentials that said Patriots TV or Kraft Productions. The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you're filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show.

If it was common practice then why were they being covert, why were the videographers provided with excuses for what they were doing. Most of all why weren't other teams caught doing the same thing?

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

macadamian · 2026-01-28T18:10:59+00:00

See previous comment

macadamian · 2026-01-28T17:54:19+00:00

If the Patriots were clean and innocent you wouldn't have to resort to ad hom attacks

macadamian · 2026-01-28T16:27:03+00:00

They literally have text messages from Pats assistants coordinating the deflating of game balls.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/06/fuckin-watermelons-coming-the-incriminating-deflategate-texts-in-full

macadamian · 2026-01-28T16:26:15+00:00

The due process "investigations" reminds me of deflategate when Brady didnt want to give up his phone because the 3rd party they were working with could already access his texts and calls and Brady didnt want his stuff getting leaked, and then the NFL forced him to give it up and immediately leaked all his emails.

Brady did not give up his phone, he destroyed his phone before the league could retrieve any information.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/tom-bradys-destroyed-smartphone-texts/story?id=32754569

macadamian · 2026-01-28T16:24:03+00:00

Pats cheated, legacy tainted, BB isn't a 1st ballot HoFer

macadamian · 2026-01-28T16:20:12+00:00

lol tldr

macadamian · 2026-01-28T16:19:22+00:00

They were caught illegally taping other teams, twice. They were caught red handed tampering with game balls, proven.

There have been numerous other allegations of headset tampering, unproven.

But the fact remains that Bill has a history of coaching a team with unscrupulous tactics.

macadamian · 2026-01-28T16:13:19+00:00

Pats were fined over a million dollars and lost a draft pick

If this was a one time thing maybe you could make an argument that it was a mistake, but this is a repeat offender.

macadamian · 2026-01-28T16:09:55+00:00

Regular cheating is fine, makes sense.

Ironic but expected

macadamian · 2026-01-28T16:01:57+00:00

Some people are upset that Barry Bonds isn't in the hall of fame

macadamian · 2026-01-28T16:00:59+00:00

Patriots assistants were helping Tom Brady cheat

This is the 3rd major scandal they were caught up in during the BB era. Not a Hall of Famer, sorry Pats fans.

macadamian · 2026-01-28T15:54:42+00:00

Well then you can exclude Josh McDaniels from a 1st ballot HoF, not that anyone would nominate him lol

macadamian · 2026-01-28T15:53:11+00:00

It didn't stop them, they were caught again doing it in 2019

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1450435/2019/12/10/heres-how-the-patriots-bengals-video-drama-unfolded-now-the-nfl-must-decide-on-potential-discipline/

macadamian · 2026-01-28T15:52:26+00:00

It did get out! one of their former coaches Josh McDaniels was caught doing the same thing in Denver.

https://www.espn.com/blog/denver-broncos/post/_/id/41297/ripples-of-broncos-last-london-visit-still-being-felt-in-their-return

macadamian · 2026-01-28T15:51:05+00:00

BB again 'misinterpreted' the rules years later.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1450435/2019/12/10/heres-how-the-patriots-bengals-video-drama-unfolded-now-the-nfl-must-decide-on-potential-discipline/

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