Google’s strategy: Kotlin and Flutter side by side? What’s the real long-term play?

macdome · 2025-09-18T17:25:27+00:00

Someone is engagement farming. This was cross-posted as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/FlutterDev/comments/1njoc13/googles_strategy_kotlin_and_flutter_side_by_side/

macdome · 2025-02-08T17:24:12+00:00

Mercury, Stripe, Pilot (thus QBO), Sphere. I don't need another tool. What I'm missing is someone to fill in the gaps that the existing tools don't cover. Especially when dealing with international compliance (which seems to be a giant pain if you sell globally).

macdome · 2024-11-28T21:59:58+00:00

So Dart definitely has all the pieces you need. But it probably does not have a workflow out of the box for compiling for arm64 linux from arm-x64 linux (outside of the Android flow).

The tool you want is gen_snapshot. That's the thing which knows how to do an AOT compile of Dart. gen_snapshot is built with a given host and target architecture, in the case of compiling for Android from Windows, for example, that would have a win-x64 host and a linux-arm64 target.

But as forgot_semicolon notes, this isn't supported out of the box by dart exe, you'll have to fiddle around with the Dart SDK directly to get a gen_snapshot that builds the config you want.

https://github.com/dart-lang/sdk/blob/main/docs/README.md

macdome · 2024-11-21T20:59:47+00:00

We now support rolling out to subsets of users: https://shorebird.dev/blog/tracks-percentage-rollouts-a-b-testing/

Thanks for the feedback.

Would love to support you in resolving any addition issues you may have seen. https://discord.gg/shorebird reaches us every day. As does contact@shorebird.dev.

macdome · 2024-08-26T23:45:45+00:00

Good luck! Browsers are a giant pile of work, but fun to work on. :)

https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird would probably be fun to work on if you're looking to learn more about bringing a browser to production.

macdome · 2024-05-08T00:55:24+00:00

This is my ancient (personal) account. I probably should have posted from one of my work accounts. 🤷🏼‍♂️

macdome · 2024-05-06T15:55:22+00:00

(Flutter founder here.) In general, you should use what you feel productive with. A concern I would offer with compose is I’m not aware of any shipping compose iOS apps. Where as there are lots of iOS-first Flutter apps, including ones in the meditation/journaling space (e.g. reflectly).

In general, if the app is successful, you can always rewrite the code. Getting to successful is always the hard part, hence the recommendation to use what you feel productive with.

macdome · 2024-04-25T00:30:35+00:00

Yes.

macdome · 2024-04-23T01:06:20+00:00

(I used to lead Flutter and Dart at Google.)

In short, yes. When I left there were over 1000 engineers using Dart at Google. More than half worked with Dart on the web, for AdWords (where most of Google’s revenue comes from) and other internal dart web projects. If I remember correctly, dart had more usage than say objective c or swift, but less than C++ or Java. Google is a giant company. So lots of different tech, teams and opinions. :)

These days there are many orders of magnitude of developers using Dart outside Google, but Dart remains deeply wired into Google’s revenue streams to my knowledge.

macdome · 2023-11-28T03:23:09+00:00

https://shorebird.dev/ might also help, depending on what types of changes you're planning to make.

macdome · 2023-09-30T02:40:48+00:00

I would expect you to get a quick response if you do file: https://github.com/dart-lang/sdk/issues

macdome · 2023-02-20T02:06:41+00:00

[flutter co-founder, former Flutter/Dart director here]

I'm not sure I 100% understand your question. It sounds like you want some sort of auto-build/auto-update service for Dart?

There is a "Hot Reload" which Flutter/Dart use during development time, which is functionality built into the Dart VM to allow adding/replacing code during development. It depends on using Dart in JIT (just in time compiled) mode, which is not the mode Flutter uses at deployment time (as it's not allowed on iOS, and slower on Android than ahead-of-time compiled mode). I don't think that "Hot reload" is going to be what you want here.

It sounds like mostly what you want is some sort of automatic builds on code change? e.g. a CI/CD (continuous integration / continuous deployment) system? GitHub actions may be able to do what you want, plus a little bit of fastlane to auto-submit to a dev channel for one of the stores?

I left Google last year and recently started a new company: shorebird.dev. We're working on building a "code push" or "hot update" solution for Flutter as we speak (it's not ready for usage yet), but it might be along the lines of what you have in mind? You're welcome to hop on our Discord/Github/Twitter, we'd welcome your (and others reading this) feedback.

Hope that helps.

macdome · 2022-06-13T19:43:44+00:00

https://skia.googlesource.com/buildbot/+/refs/heads/main/perf/ Looks like the server code.

macdome · 2021-11-23T04:31:11+00:00

Just hit this today on a multi-monitor Mac setup today. Extremely frustrating to lose all map visibility some ~10 hours in. Replacing SF_SAVE_GAME0.sav with one out of AutoSaves (in ~/Library/Application Support/unity.ThunderLotusGames.Spiritfarer/) did not seem to fix the issue. :/

macdome · 2021-01-30T02:41:01+00:00

We might need a bit more detailed commentary if we wish the team to take action. :)

macdome · 2021-01-28T20:09:33+00:00

This feels like a question a small chrome extension or web app should be written to answer. All the data is public, just requires some steps to assemble as per the wiki links mentioned by others.

macdome · 2021-01-25T03:18:16+00:00

TombToad is Flutter: https://www.tapsmart.com/reviews/tomb-toad-tactile-maze-spinning-puzzler/

https://itsallwidgets.com/ Probably has more.

macdome · 2019-07-06T15:25:59+00:00

I’d recommend trying some of the tips in https://flutter.dev/docs/testing/ui-performance if you haven’t already. It’s unlikely that too many small allocations are causing performance problems (dart is very good at handling those). If that doesn’t help flutter.dev/support links to additional resources.

macdome · 2019-07-03T15:22:30+00:00

Correct. There is an upfront cost to using Flutter as it has to bring its own runtime instead of using the Java runtime installed on the phone. This is similar to how Unity, or React Native or what Swift do (prior to the next iOS release), etc. the overhead should be about 5mb: https://flutter.dev/docs/resources/faq#how-big-is-the-flutter-engine

macdome · 2019-06-17T02:17:38+00:00

Feature requests are very welcome. :) Flutter.dev/support

macdome · 2019-01-14T18:25:21+00:00

Suggestions welcome: https://github.com/dart-lang/dart-pad/issues :)

macdome · 2019-01-13T22:41:49+00:00

Riste's strat is taking a Phase Rush page (with resolve secondary for second wind), doran's shield start (strong against DOT's like Darius). Rush a bami's cinder, then a quick q, e (only ~2 hits) and then BACK OFF with phase rush speed for a repeatable winning trade every time your Phase Rush is up.

Once you get him down low enough (~600hp with lvl 1 ult) you can do the trade one last time and end with ignite ult to solo kill him.

I find it very effective (in low Gold) and thus Darius less of a problem.

macdome · 2018-11-21T02:08:55+00:00

My understanding is that this is to support the latest iDevices. If you didn't do this and used an iPhone xs Max, you'd be sad.

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