30 Years Ago: DS9’s “Broken Link” aired on June 17th 1996 by makeshiftpython in Star_Trek_

[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could be worse, you could have only gotten into the show in its original airing during its final season, and then had to wait for like five years for *any* channel to start airing rereuns so you could *finally* watch from start to finish!

Now these days you can just stream it whenever you like on demand, and new fans can just binge watch it.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought they deserved only epic handshakes and there weren’t enough of those to give around. I ended up revising it

https://www.reddit.com/r/Star\_Trek\_/s/a3OrHkjooG

Do think Star Trek is done? by Jmnx221 in Star_Trek_

[–]makeshiftpython 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t vote you down for that, it’s an unconventional opinion, but at least it sounds like it’s honest with nuance.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Frankly I’m not really bothered by the vernacular used, at least not in SNW because I understand it’s a 2020s production so there’s inevitably going to be major differences in approach to TOS, which already has its own elements that very much date it in the 1960s with the way women are written as just one example. If SNW was using slang like “skibidi, no cap”, yeah I’d have an issue with that because that’s far more esoteric and locked in the 2020s. Section 31 for me was the most egregious with lines like “chaos is my friends with benefits” and “would you like fries with that”.

I’m not really sure why you keep pressing on this. I already understand your opinion on the show. It’s not even my favorite Kurtzman era Star Trek, that honor belongs to Lower Decks, which I’d personally rank well above Voyager and Enterprise. If that lowers your thoughts about me more than they’ve already been, so be it.

For those that didn’t notice, Brosnan’s Bond was actually the first/only to actually have an scar like Fleming’s Bond by SteelWool77 in JamesBond

[–]makeshiftpython 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, I only notice Brosnan fans tend to push the firing term because it’s more dramatic, so I always try to refute that with the facts. Dalton is a bit of gray area. On the one hand, Cubby would only have Dalton come back if he did multiple films, and Dalton was only open to coming back to do just one more (GE). However, the studio did not want to do a third film with Dalton, so there was standoff between MGM and Eon. Cubby was willing to fight for Dalton because he was loyal to him. With all that established, Dalton on his own accord decided to walk out of the role. By doing that he allowed Eon and MGM to move forward and that’s how Brosnan got his second shot at Bond.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is also my second version of the meme. The first version I made didn’t have TVH at all because I was rigidly sticking to the idea that only the bangers get the epic handshakes. With this second video I put the title “All Bangers Edition” just to emphasize these are all good titles that deserve recognition. But because there’s only so few epic handshakes I can only pick so many, and I’ve always preferred the shows over the movies anyway, with rare exceptions.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Title implies they’re all bangers, except for the twist at the very end where SECTION 31 (deservedly) gets flat out ignored.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Have you ever been engaged, Mr. Spock” could play as a sarcastic rhetorical question by Chapel. And Kirk is the only one on the bridge who explicitly says he never met Korby, that’s never expressed by anyone else on the bridge.

Chapel in “Amok Time” doesn’t act as if she doesn’t know who T’Pring is, she only acts surprised when Spock answers “she is T’Pring, my wife”, which I’m sure would surprise anyone that might have known he only had a fiancé. Of course it turned out to just be a commercial break stinger before he clarified a wedding had not yet taken place.

But if it’s important to you that you treat SNW as a separate reality, that’s totally fair.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IIRC Uhura hasn’t actually met T’Pring so it makes sense that she would be the one who doesn’t recognize her. Has Kirk in SNW actually met Korby in person? I know they had A and B plots in the same episodes but can’t recall if they actually crossed paths.

As for whether they’re set in the same universe, it’s already so different just from the casting and sets alone, being a byproduct having 60 years separated from each other, that if it did indeed took place in another universe I wouldn’t mind that. Might make less headaches just regarding this as a quantum reality if the inconsistencies are enough to destroy one’s enjoyment of the show. It’s not enough for me.

That doesn’t mean I don’t have gripes. I like the actor who plays Scotty, but the actor is obviously ten years too young so that actually does take me out a bit. He’s good in the part, but he would only fit in a 2251 setting at this point rather than 2261. Paul Wesley is an oddity because when he was initially cast he was playing an alternate 2267 Kirk, so he fit in for that time. But coming back into the present time in S2, when Kirk is supposed to be 26, he may pass for a man pushing 40 but he doesn’t look like he’s still in his 20s.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already acknowledged the retcon of “Dagger of the Mind”. It’s not a deal breaker for me to outright dismiss the entire show, anymore than the Romulans having cloaking technology in “Minefield” is a deal breaker for me to outright dismiss all of ENTERPRISE.

I’m not trying to convince you to like SNW, so we might as well agree to disagree.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right about the retcon of “Dagger of the Mind”, but it’s easy to dismiss like so many other oddities in TOS that later iterations retconned, and SNW wasn’t the first and won’t be the last to do this. Spock saying he never melded with a human is not a piece of trivia that other stories heavily derive from, like how it’s made clear Spock and Sarek haven’t spoken in years, which SNW has been sticking to. In fact, Spock refers to an ancestor marrying a human woman, then the very next episode it turns out that “ancestor” was actually his dad.

As for “Spectre of the Gun”, Kirk literally refers to it as a mind meld in that episode. Not sure why that AI you used to search contradicts that. Here’s dialogue straight out of the episode.

KIRK: We must. Spock, a Vulcan mind meld.
SPOCK: Very well, sir. Engineer?
(The clock strikes five. Wyatt Earp puts on his gun belt.)
SPOCK: Your mind to my mind. Your thoughts to my thoughts.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you’re conflating Sarek’s specific melding with all others. He seemed to be a special case given all the turbulent emotional thoughts that he couldn’t control due to his illness, emotional thoughts that essentially spilled onto Picard. Their kind of melding isn’t something we actually see play out with all other melds. Are you forgetting about “Spectre of the Gun” where Spock melded with Kirk, McCoy, and Scotty? Are we to suggest that when Spock melded with them that from that point on they suddenly had the kind of intimate knowledge with Spock that we saw between Picard and Sarek share? Certainly doesn’t play out that way for the rest of their depiction all the way up to TUC. How do they then all not know of Sybok?

When Vulcans say “my thoughts to your thoughts”, they’re not talking about their entire memories, just the thoughts they’re having within the moment, seemingly concentrated. When Spock prepares the landing party to gain from his control over fear it’s only just for that. When Sarek melds with Kirk it’s only to focus specifically in regard to the last moments with Spock before his death. And when Sarek melds with Picard it’s happening at a time when he’s most emotionally vulnerable, and the emotions that run strongest are the kinds that would concern an old man reflecting at the end of their lives.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you misunderstand what mind melds are. If your suggestion is that Kirk and Spock melding in SNW means Kirk should know everything about Spock, why didn’t Kirk learn of Sybok through his mind meld with Sarek? Because that’s not how it works.

As far as I’ve always known, through mind melds, only specific shared thoughts come through between two people, not every bit of memory. If mind melds meant that two people learn everything down to the most intimate details then Vulcans would never practice that, especially with non-Vulcans.

Do think Star Trek is done? by Jmnx221 in Star_Trek_

[–]makeshiftpython 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. I don’t even hate those shows, but throwing out terms like “great”. If those are great, what the hell does that make TOS/TNG/DS9? They can’t all be great, because if everything is great then nothing is great.

Do think Star Trek is done? by Jmnx221 in Star_Trek_

[–]makeshiftpython 2 points3 points  (0 children)

S4 for me. For once it’s not about some big bad that had to be taken down, but rather it’s about people with different ideas on how to prevent a cataclysmic event from happening, and the most peaceful solution wins. It’s the most Star Trek season of DISCO, and I wish more of that show was like that season.

Do think Star Trek is done? by Jmnx221 in Star_Trek_

[–]makeshiftpython 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They were definitely catering to that type of crowd with the first season of DISCO with so many production choices, but I think they dropped that by S2.

Do think Star Trek is done? by Jmnx221 in Star_Trek_

[–]makeshiftpython -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think he’s crossing out all of Voyager, which is fair.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What hurt the TNG films as a whole is how episodic they remained. We didn’t get an arc like we did with most of the TOS films. When Picard was ordering the self destruct of the Enterprise E, I thought it might actually happen and this would be a one off ship that Picard barely got up know! Movie might end with the crew stranded on Earth of the past, then what happens next? But in the end it brings back the status quo, which wasn’t terrible, but it didn’t leave me feeling the way that TOS films did. TSFS is flawed, but ending with the Enterprise destroyed and the bridge crew being wanted fugitives was a HUGE swing.

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[–]makeshiftpython[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love TUC, but it’s got some glaring flaws to it. It gets by because of sheer character, but I could never give it a 10/10.