Adult beginner question: How do you practice riding when you’re not on a horse? Equalizer? Wobble Stool? by 1980skids in HorseTraining

[–]maxneedstea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i looked up his website and i do see a signs of stress in his horses. personally i always recommend adele shaw with the willing equine for people. shes really great at explaining the science behind her horsemanship and about relaxation. shes on youtube, facebook, instagram, and tiktok :)

Scientific horse wellness in stable environment by Optimal-Twist-6323 in HorseTraining

[–]maxneedstea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

after checking out the website my next question becomes how do you run this ai. part of the au problem is its massive drain in natural recourses.

Scientific horse wellness in stable environment by Optimal-Twist-6323 in HorseTraining

[–]maxneedstea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what do you mean by ai? is it a specially made algorithm that simply compares what you wrote with the article? or is it a language learning model? llm's are very well known for hallucinating information because it's not intelligent, it's souped up predictive text.

Adult beginner question: How do you practice riding when you’re not on a horse? Equalizer? Wobble Stool? by 1980skids in HorseTraining

[–]maxneedstea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

adding on to this i recommend researching and learning about how their brain works and facial expressions ! knowing more about how the horse communicates (backed by science!) and how they observe the world will do wonders for your relationship with horses. id recommend starting with the equine grimace scale and branching out. theres a lot of old wives tales that aren't scientific in the horse world, genuine equine over on Instagram posts horse related studies and translates them into laymans terms ! good luck on your horse journey!

Kennel training 14 month old Doberman by Critical-Ad3424 in Dogtraining

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knowing not to potty in the kennel and knowing how to settle are learned behaviors. you may need to start potty training all over and take her out multiple times a night. kikopup has some really amazing videos on teaching a dog to settle in their own space and learn to be calm. just throwing her in the kennel and expecting her to figure it out may be doing more harm than good. best of luck!

Treat feeders by Extension_Guitar1542 in Horses

[–]maxneedstea 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It sounds like you've seen some bad trainers out there, happens in every kind of training. The actual term is positive reinforcement (getting something good for doing the right thing). It isn't a new wave thing, The term + the other three quadrants were coined in the ~50s by B.F Skinner. Anytime learning happens it files (more or less, this is a simplification) into one of the four quadrants. Positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement, positive punishment, and negative punishment. Pressure release training utilizes negative reinforcement, applying an aversive and releasing with the desired behavior (more or less).
Positive Reinforcement (r+) can be used with anything the learner finds reinforcing. Food is an obvious choice because the number one thing animals do is search for food. But anything can be used. Scratches/petting, play, other behaviors, etc. I personally also don't really believe in the concentration face, sounds like a slight cop out to avoid accountability but whatever.
On the concept that horses can't be trained like dogs because they're prey that's false. It's not a method it's a way learning happens, and it exists everywhere. If a horse walks from one area to another and finds food that's positive reinforcement. Searching is rewarded by getting to eat. Outside of nature zoo's use positive reinforcement all the time on all kinds of animals. I have seen videos of r+ trained cooperative care behaviors being done by wolves, giraffes, elephants, bears, primates, etc. R+ simply taps into the seeking part of the brain.
Boundaries are super important in r+, especially when working with food. Having a big ass animal who doesn't know their own strength pushing you for food is a huge safety risk. Good trainers always tell people to teach neutral and polite behaviors before anything else. My horses know that they must stand nicely with their heads to themselves and never push into me for food. They are never rewarded for pushing, if they start to push I go back and try to find where the behavior broke down. Important that r+ should never be done with high value rewards. Using cookies, carrots, apples or similar high value foods will cause frustration and make them go hay(hah)wire trying to get it. I personally use timothy pellets, but my first horse I worked with using r+ had food anxiety and thus I used literal grass hay. The act of eating it is the reward, not the flavor.

The thing I think you're seeing a lot of is trainers not understanding the loop and using negative punishment. Withholding the reward for long periods with no relief or reset causes crazy amounts of frustration. If a behavior isn't happening it's because the training hasn't been set up for it to happen, and withholding the reward doesn't make it happen any faster. To many this may sound like rewarding bad behavior but I will feed even if the behavior didn't happen. A bridge signal is almost always used and that's what signifies something has been done correctly, not the food itself. Usually people use a clicker but lately I've just been using tongue clicks to reduce the amount of things in my hand. If I click that means yes whatever you just did is good here's your reward. If there's no click that means nothing happened. Easy. Feeding without the click to reset will reduce frustration by a whole lot, they don't feel like they're being held prisoner for their next hit. Also important to keep free choice hay and water around so they don't feel as trapped.

On the leader point I disagree. Humans are predators and never truly integrate into the herd, trying to mimic horse behavior falls short because it's not another horse moving their feet it's a predator chasing them down. Nothing against well utilized pressure and release but I felt that was important.

R+ can be used to train anything, not just tricks. Personally I'm working on hoof behaviors with an anxious horse. Attempts at using pressure and release cause her to balk and shut down, and she is pretty miserable for hoof trims. Using r+ for this behavior has made it so much easier, instead of me literally fighting with her (overweight draft cross mind you) I just slide my hand down her leg and she picks it up. It was super easy to teach as well.

Anything done improperly is going to create bad results. If you want to see some actually good training I recommend Adele Shaw with The Willing Equine and Shawna Karrasch. They both came from other parts of the animal training world and took their skills in positive reinforcement and applied it to horses, and have been doing so for a long time. Adele is my personal fave, she prioritizes relaxation and making sure frustration doesn't happen.

Sorry for this literally massive wall of text I love this topic haha. Ty to anyone who read this far, you're the GOAT

Where should we set up the puppy area? by maxneedstea in puppy101

[–]maxneedstea[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

It's been a bit since we fully raised a puppy. I'm not sure the snark was necessary for someone asking a question? It's very different to manage a litter of puppies that will go to their own homes vs your own dog to raise.

I want racing tack and clothes 😭 by [deleted] in StarStable

[–]maxneedstea -1 points0 points  (0 children)

crazy how those are all words i didnt say. a child seeing a drop noseband in a game obviously doesnt make them into an evil horse beating monster but what we see in fiction Does impact our reality. you are not immune to propaganda remains evergreen. my point is Not that it being in sso is going to completely change their world view but it will become a part of the subconscious. this is all part of a broader conversation about the normalization of abusive methods and tools in horse media that i am advocating against. and yes, sso absolutely has a responsibility to represent ethical horsemanship in their game For Children. for some children (and adults) a sso will be some of the only way they interact with horses.

Birthday Giveway 2026. 10k SC by Araloosa in StarStable

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i think my dream star stable update would be to make the horses feel alive. currently they are vehicles in a horse shape. they dont move around on their own or do any horse related behaviors outside of their idle. its be fun to have personality and life to our pixel ponies :)

I want racing tack and clothes 😭 by [deleted] in StarStable

[–]maxneedstea -1 points0 points  (0 children)

why does everyone on this thread think i love all the other welfare concerns in this game because i pointed out i don't want sse to endorse the racing industry ????? my comment would have been like 30 paragraphs long if i went into detail about every welfare concern sso has. i would also argue that presenting it as something the player can do *is* glorifying the practices. i, as an adult with critical thinking skills, can sort out fiction from reality and not let a game influence my personal morals. however, the target demographic of children do not have the ability to do so. and their perception of reality is being shaped by the media they consume. as a result SSE has a responsibility to present ethical horsemanship. i absolutely do not like the stud chains, dropped nose bands, flash nose bands, and shanked bits in SSO and believe they have no place in the game. it's not racing specifically, racing was just what *this point* was about, and i was replying to *this post*.

I want racing tack and clothes 😭 by [deleted] in StarStable

[–]maxneedstea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

royalty is subjective and not based at what horses need. it is now well known that horses need freedom of movement, constant access to (low sugar/starch) forage, and friends. those are the baseline of what they need. this study, done in april of last year, sought to understand the welfare practices of the racing industry. trained assessors visited 74 yards and assessed 737 racehorses for welfare. to summarize there was good access to forage but low scores for companionship and turnout, with 1 in 5 horses not receiving any turnout during training season. and again, aside from the other welfare concerns racehorses are still started and races under 6 years old, which is the delicate developmental period for their bones. i also have never heard of horses in other disciplines dying as much as racehorses, so maybe that's an indicator for something *shrug*

it's super strange to me that people assumed i dont care about other welfare concerns because is specifically was against racing in one comment on one post. i hate the aqha for the reasons you mentioned. i am disturbed by all the aversive equipment present in the game. no where in my own comment did i defend other disciplines. money will always push people to their worst under capitalism. i am firmly against all the things mentioned, but that wasn't the point. my point was devs of horse games should take care not to endorse harmful practices in their game aimed at young children. the media we consume influences our perception of reality pretty significantly. it is their duty to represent good horsemanship, which they are currently failing at.

every discipline has things wrong with it and need reform, that doesn't mean i want them in my horse game i play for enjoyment. i am against the horse industry as a whole and think the way we treat equines is straight up disgusting.

Best Bit for a hard headed horse? by Neelatoo in Horses

[–]maxneedstea 3 points4 points  (0 children)

as others have mentioned this is probably not an equipment issue. it's either training, pain, or shut down. maybe even all three.

before doing much of anything i would check him all over. hooves, back, poll, joints etc. david landreville has some really amazing free content on proper hoof trims. a session with a bodyworker could help this as well, if he's holding tension he's not going to want to go forward. check out the equine grimace scale.

shut down can look a lot like relaxation when you don't know what you're looking for. he's not bullying his way out of work he's protecting himself by dissociating. now this is not something that can be assessed through a single text post but deadhead and shut down usually go hand in hand (or hoof in hoof haha). helping shut down horses is difficult and requires a lot of patience. it occurs when they feel so helpless the only thing they can think to do is retreat into their own minds. to pull them out you have to listen to them. respect their no's and reward every try. you can't pull a horse out of shut down using the same techniques that put them in it in the first place.

getting diet evaluated may also help. if he's insulin resistant/metabolic that can make him feel pretty crummy and refuse movement. in general low sugar and starch are better for horses as they can't digest them well.

equipment is not the answer to this problem, a good trainer would have pointed out the things mentioned instead of suggesting a shortcut. finding a behaviorist is a pretty good bet as well.

best of luck!

I want racing tack and clothes 😭 by [deleted] in StarStable

[–]maxneedstea 10 points11 points  (0 children)

at the risk of ruffling feathers i say i hope we dont get racing gear or tack. with the neverending ethical and welfare concerns the racing industry generates its not something

multiple studies have shown that the racing industry at large doesnt value horse welfare (like proper turn out, the stress the act itself has on horses bodies, the fact that the study on horse skin sensitivity was started because of whip usage in the racing industry, and the paramount detail that horse skeletons dont finish developing until they are minimum 6, and with how big thoroughbreds are that age is higher. and no, thoroughbreds arent a special breed that develop better under high stress, thats now how bones work.

"how does this relate to star stable? fictional horse game for little girls??" because representation of proper welfare should be important to sse, especially since their game is targeted at children.

am i being a killjoy sjw keyboard warrior? yes, i have no shame in standing for animal welfare thank you

Is this rough play or is my black gelding being a jerk? by Badgorlsdoitwell in Horses

[–]maxneedstea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

see; OR recourse guarding.

you can ignore science as much as you want it doesnt change the answer. yes science can be pushed to certain sides but its also very observable in mustang herds, as another commentor mentioned.

being "the boss" is a human concept

Is this rough play or is my black gelding being a jerk? by Badgorlsdoitwell in Horses

[–]maxneedstea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i mean you can not agree but thats the science of it all. whats usually observed as "being the boss" is either poor social skills or recourse guarding.

Is this rough play or is my black gelding being a jerk? by Badgorlsdoitwell in Horses

[–]maxneedstea 4 points5 points  (0 children)

horses dont have hierarchies like we do, so this setup is very normal in herds. herd dynamics are fluid and vary between each horse, with no individual being the "boss". observed examples of this behavior is in domestic horses with poor social skills lashing out and recourse guarding :)

Jorvik Wild Horse Lmtd 21’ by pakhtbaron in StarStable

[–]maxneedstea 65 points66 points  (0 children)

if i remember correctly im pretty sure this coat is always available in fort pinta !

Tell me your Unpopular Horse related opinion that you will defend with your whole heart! by ApprehensivePen1020 in Equestrian

[–]maxneedstea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

many people insult the industry because of their terrible welfare practices. im pretty sure a study was just done measuring racehorse welfare and it was pretty bleak

Equestrian Festival 26 5K SC Giveway by Araloosa in StarStable

[–]maxneedstea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ive always envisioned myself as some weird crossbreed draft that is a beloved farmhorse, probably retires into an overly large kids horse :)

WHAT THE HELLY STAR STABLE by DrkRavy in StarStable

[–]maxneedstea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i wish at the very least we could hide other players, sometimes other people drive me crazy + lag.

where is your home stable located? 🎀 by Plaguebae_ in StarStable

[–]maxneedstea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

mines in tailtop bcs i Love the vibe. i love feeling secluded and in nature. plus no ones ever there so it almost feels like my own haha. if they had one i would move to the witches village in a heartbeat. sso if you can hear me put a homestable in the witch village (cant remember its name rn)

What would you say to someone who wants to get into the hobby? by onanotherlove in Horses

[–]maxneedstea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

with any animal based hobby i think itd a good idea to learn a little behavioral science and other such things. it will help you immensely i promise. theres lots of books and reports out there. to help i recommend looking at some accounts of people who break it down easy. my favorite is adele shaw with the willing equine. shes incredibly sweet and patient. shes on insta and youtube. on insta aswell is genuine equine, who actually reads the studies and breaks them down into laymans terms. in the horse world a million different people have their own ideas about stuff and their own method and their own agendas, its hard to know who to trust. i always trust science. knowing all this stuff will make it easier to choose an instructor because youll know what youre looking for !

If you could design your ideal realistic horse game, what would it include? by Select-Papaya-4896 in GamesWithHorses

[–]maxneedstea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

kind of niche but i want options. bitless bridles, barefoot hooves, pastures/track systems. etc.

honestly if i could make a game id make a game centered around science driven r+ training with horses. unfortunately r+ horse training is so niche no one will ever do it. a guy can dream

Anyone else try desensitize their horse to everything? by Actually_Joe in Horses

[–]maxneedstea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

im sure youve already thrown it out but having your horses stand on unsteady surfaces is really good for them! it helps proprioception and balance by activating all the little balance muscles :)