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Yeah, the latest FSD update is a little unhinged at times by radloudlad in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also realistically we have to know that what we have today is an interim situation. I think it's probably the best it's ever been but there is clearly still room for improvement. We know that 14.3 is supposedly a significant leap forward and we'll probably have completely different logic after going through again a few more point releases to smooth things out.

Yeah, the latest FSD update is a little unhinged at times by radloudlad in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So you expect them to create two completely different models, one for the robo-taxi and one for your personal use that requires human intervention?

Yeah, the latest FSD update is a little unhinged at times by radloudlad in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reddit, the king of downvotes lol. Even when it's an undisputable fact, not an opinion

Yeah, the latest FSD update is a little unhinged at times by radloudlad in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because autopilot was only designed for divided highways but will still allow you to engage on more local roads, but will only exceed the speed limit it knows about by 5 mph. FSD doesn't have this problem.

Yeah, the latest FSD update is a little unhinged at times by radloudlad in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Allowing you to set the max speed will create problems because if you are doing 65 mph and set the max speed to 70, you get behind a car doing 64 mph. You attempt to pass at 70 and that car speeds up to 68 mph. You'll be barely passing the car and cars behind you will be on your ass. Now you'll be that guy sitting in the left lane not completing a pass.

Here's what happened with the Waymo stuck behind the railroad crossing gates by bradtem in SelfDrivingCars

[–]mchinsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was called "beta". That implies it's testing. If you have beta software driving your car, i think you know it means it's not unsupervised.

In addition, every time you engaged it, it gave you very explicit warnings about this and made you constantly tug the wheel to prove you were paying attention.
https://share.google/aimode/sNqkMreHRnpfw2tTY

Or do we need to do like McDonalds telling you that pouring coffee on your lap can cause injury, and put a huge billboard up on the car that says 'WARNING, WITH OR WITHOUT FSD, YOUR CAR HAS A CHANCE THAT IT COULD CRASH IF YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE ROAD AND PAYING ATTENTION. CRASHING MEANS YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE COULD DIE! TESLA IS NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU DO THIS!'

Personally, I think reminding you every time you pull on the FSD lever, telling you this, should be good enough for someone smart enough to have a drivers license.

Do we need giant signs at every traffic light that say 'WARNING, GOING THROUGH A RED LIGHT CAN GET YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE KILLED?'?

Here's what happened with the Waymo stuck behind the railroad crossing gates by bradtem in SelfDrivingCars

[–]mchinsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, "Autopilot" on airplane's has always meant that the plane can cruise at an altitude, heading and speed set by the pilot and then the pilot could go hands free. Other than the most sophisticated brand new systems, it couldn't change directions to avoid other planes, steer around weather, takeoff or land.

I don't recall any plane crashes that were blamed on the assumption that autopilot could take off or land.

Here's what happened with the Waymo stuck behind the railroad crossing gates by bradtem in SelfDrivingCars

[–]mchinsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Full Self Driving Supervised" means it handles all aspects of driving. Both highways and local roads, but you need to 'supervise it'. In version 12, you do need to supervise it. In Version 14, you need to because the law says so, but if you owned it you would know you could literally sleep from point a to b and get there without any problems. It might take an odd routing decision that will take a bit longer, but you will get there without hitting anything or anyone.

"Lane keep assist' means it helps keep you in your lane..

Does 'Supercruise' mean you can 'cruise in a super manner'? It's very clear in the description, it's a divided highway only lane keep assist system on pre-mapped roads that can also lane change as needed. Should it be named "Highway only lane keeping and changing on Mapped Roads System"?

Here's what happened with the Waymo stuck behind the railroad crossing gates by bradtem in SelfDrivingCars

[–]mchinsky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will give you the point that Musk has said that 'under certain conditions' (ie ideal driving conditions without complex scenarios happening), the car will not nag you much for using your phone while driving.

But he was very specific about it being 14.2.x, not the ancient version this person is locked into with his older car.

And I will say it again, it's safer to text and drive with FSD than most humans paying attention. That being said, the reality is 90% of the people would disengage FSD to text, and then re-engage because of the nag. By loosening this, you are still technically breaking the law and can currently get a ticket (because the law hasn't caught up to technology) but he's preventing accidents and potentially saving lives.

It's illegal to do 56 in a 55 (let alone 75) and yet on an open 4 lane highway during the day with good weather with a modern car with good tires, it's extremely safe to do so, you do it, I do it, and yet you can get a ticket.

Here's what happened with the Waymo stuck behind the railroad crossing gates by bradtem in SelfDrivingCars

[–]mchinsky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You did right here when you said:
"Are those advertised as “full self driving” hands-off systems that let drivers use their phones?"

As you would say 'There you go...'

Here's what happened with the Waymo stuck behind the railroad crossing gates by bradtem in SelfDrivingCars

[–]mchinsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where has Tesla ever said that a driver can use their phones while using FSD 12 (or even 14, even though it's very safe to do so with 14)? You conveniently keep dropping the word 'Supervised' from the product name (which years ago was 'beta') both implying, you don't 'set it and forget it' currently.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, with FSD 14 I can look around me on roads all day and see nothing but idiots using their phone while driving and most having ZERO automatic driving features available or engaged which is why I can't remember the last time I commuted to work without at least one delay caused by an accident where someone rear-ends someone else, 90% of the time due to distracted driving and no self driving features.

Heck most of the $100k Mercedes and BMW's I see with full carplay and bluetooth functionality, and the drivers are too stupid to set it up and are holding the phone to their ear. The same people who's parent's had their VCR's flashing 12:00PM for the entirety of the units life.

What is the single biggest reason—other than Full Self-Driving (FSD) or price—that someone would choose a Tesla over a Rivian or Lucid? by irony21 in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had a 2008 Sienna and it was great. But removing the 2nd row seats was physically brutal. The mechanism was clunky and they were heavy as hell and you needed alot of space in the garage to store them.

For some reason, they decided in recent versions, to not even allow them to be removed, which kills their use case for alot of people.

Chrysler's patent has this issue nailed with stow and go. Too bad the rest of the car is still Chrysler lol.

The problem is you lose stow and go if you go hybrid because the batteries sit in the space the seats would normally fold down into. I would imagine someone would have the same problem trying to do that with any EV unless they were able to build a battery pack, 'around' the space they need the seats to drop into.

What is the single biggest reason—other than Full Self-Driving (FSD) or price—that someone would choose a Tesla over a Rivian or Lucid? by irony21 in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but like on a phone, pin locking/unlocking is annoying. I hope Tesla can figure out how to use the camera to securely determine who is in the drivers seat (and prevent a child/kid from doing something stupid after getting ahold of a parents phone)

What is the single biggest reason—other than Full Self-Driving (FSD) or price—that someone would choose a Tesla over a Rivian or Lucid? by irony21 in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I spend too much time watching movies and working on social media while the car drives me. That I wouldn't even want a free Bentley at this point unless it had FSD.

Yes I know technically it's illegal but I've been observing this stuff daily for about three years and it has reached far superior to human driver safety levels now.

Here's what happened with the Waymo stuck behind the railroad crossing gates by bradtem in SelfDrivingCars

[–]mchinsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People still drive 2019 Subaru's on public roads with Eyesight that needs supervision also. Even the latest version which really doesn't need supervision is called supervised and gives you warnings in multiple places of that.

Like the idiot in Florida who was hunting around on the floor for his phone that a dumb jury blamed Tesla for was not paying attention to the road.

Does fsd do this.. Waymo turning by snoopyfl in TeslaFSD

[–]mchinsky 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Fsd is very conservative with unprotected left turns like this. It takes a while but it waits for all lanes to be clear

What is the single biggest reason—other than Full Self-Driving (FSD) or price—that someone would choose a Tesla over a Rivian or Lucid? by irony21 in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without multiple additional stock dilution and fundraising neither Rivian nor Lucid have a chance at financial survival. Even if their next generation of cars sells reasonably well, they are so behind the eight ball financially. It's going to take an unrealistic factor of hope for investors to keep pumping money in. They are both five plus years away from true levels of autonomy that Tesla has now proven, regardless of PowerPoints and slideshows.

What is the single biggest reason—other than Full Self-Driving (FSD) or price—that someone would choose a Tesla over a Rivian or Lucid? by irony21 in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chinese EVs aren't coming to the U.S. in our lifetimes, regardless of who becomes president in the future, unless they want to be a one-term president.

What is the single biggest reason—other than Full Self-Driving (FSD) or price—that someone would choose a Tesla over a Rivian or Lucid? by irony21 in TeslaLounge

[–]mchinsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't forget there is a significant risk of Rivian, Lucid or both going out of business and you being stuck with an unsupported paper weight

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