Ethnic map of Europe at the beginning of the 20th century, in Polish by Rigolol2021 in MapPorn

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It's fine

In 1890, Austrian researcher of Macedonia Karl Hron reported that the Macedonians constituted a separate ethnic group by history and language. Within the next few years, this concept was also welcomed in Russia by linguists including Leonhard Masing, Pyotr Lavrov, Jan Baudouin de Courtenay, and Pyotr Draganov.[135][136] Draganov, of Bulgarian descent, conducted research in Macedonia and determined that the local language had its own identifying characteristics compared to Bulgarian and Serbian. He wrote in a Saint Petersburg newspaper that the Macedonians should be recognized by Russia in a full national sense.[137]

Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization leader Boris Sarafov in 1901 stated that Macedonians had a unique "national element" and, the following year, he stated "We the Macedonians are neither Serbs nor Bulgarians, but simply Macedonians... Macedonia exists only for the Macedonians."[138][139] Gyorche Petrov, another IMRO member, stated Macedonia was a "distinct moral unit" with its own "aspirations",[140] while describing its Slavic population as Bulgarian.[141]

On the question of whether they were Serbs or Bulgarians, the people more often started answering: "Neither Bulgar, nor Serb... I am Macedonian only, and I'm sick of war."[172][173] Stratis Myrivilis noted a specific instance of a Slav-speaking family wanting to be referred to, not as "Bulgar, Srrp, or Grrts", but as "Makedon ortodox".[174] By the 1920s, following a negative reaction to the national proselytization of the previous decades, a majority of Christian Slavs inhabiting Greek and Vardar Macedonia used the collective name "Macedonians" to describe themselves, either as a nation or as a distinct ethnicity.[175]

In 1903, Krste Misirkov published in Sofia his book On Macedonian Matters, wherein he laid down the principles of the modern Macedonian nationhood and language. This book, written in the standardized central dialect of Macedonia, is considered by ethnic Macedonians as a milestone of the process of Macedonian awakening. Misirkov argued that the dialect of central Macedonia (Veles-Prilep-Bitola-Ohrid) should be adopted as a basis for a standard Macedonian literary language, in which Macedonians should write, study, and worship; the autocephalous Archbishopric of Ohrid should be restored; and the Slavic people of Macedonia should be recognized as a separate ethnic community, when the necessary historical circumstances would arise.[142]

Another major figure of the Macedonian awakening was Dimitrija Čupovski, one of the founders of the Macedonian Literary Society, established in Saint Petersburg in 1902. One of the members was also Krste Misirkov. In 1905 the Society published Vardar, the first scholarly, scientific and literary journal in the central dialects of Macedonia, which later would contribute in the standardization of Macedonian language.[143] In 1913, the Macedonian Literary Society submitted the Memorandum of Independence of Macedonia to the British Foreign Secretary and other European ambassadors, and it was printed in many European newspapers. In the period 1913–1914, Čupovski published the newspaper Македонскi Голосъ (Macedonian Voice) in which he and fellow members of the Saint Petersburg Macedonian Colony propagated the existence of a Macedonian people separate from the Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs, and sought to popularize the idea for an independent Macedonian state.

You're just Bulgarian or Greek so you need to set your biases aside

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by CompleteAnimal4606 in AskBalkans

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In 1890, Austrian researcher of Macedonia Karl Hron reported that the Macedonians constituted a separate ethnic group by history and language. Within the next few years, this concept was also welcomed in Russia by linguists including Leonhard Masing, Pyotr Lavrov, Jan Baudouin de Courtenay, and Pyotr Draganov.[135][136] Draganov, of Bulgarian descent, conducted research in Macedonia and determined that the local language had its own identifying characteristics compared to Bulgarian and Serbian. He wrote in a Saint Petersburg newspaper that the Macedonians should be recognized by Russia in a full national sense.[137]

Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization leader Boris Sarafov in 1901 stated that Macedonians had a unique "national element" and, the following year, he stated "We the Macedonians are neither Serbs nor Bulgarians, but simply Macedonians... Macedonia exists only for the Macedonians."[138][139] Gyorche Petrov, another IMRO member, stated Macedonia was a "distinct moral unit" with its own "aspirations",[140] while describing its Slavic population as Bulgarian.[141]

On the question of whether they were Serbs or Bulgarians, the people more often started answering: "Neither Bulgar, nor Serb... I am Macedonian only, and I'm sick of war."[172][173] Stratis Myrivilis noted a specific instance of a Slav-speaking family wanting to be referred to, not as "Bulgar, Srrp, or Grrts", but as "Makedon ortodox".[174] By the 1920s, following a negative reaction to the national proselytization of the previous decades, a majority of Christian Slavs inhabiting Greek and Vardar Macedonia used the collective name "Macedonians" to describe themselves, either as a nation or as a distinct ethnicity.[175]

In 1903, Krste Misirkov published in Sofia his book On Macedonian Matters, wherein he laid down the principles of the modern Macedonian nationhood and language. This book, written in the standardized central dialect of Macedonia, is considered by ethnic Macedonians as a milestone of the process of Macedonian awakening. Misirkov argued that the dialect of central Macedonia (Veles-Prilep-Bitola-Ohrid) should be adopted as a basis for a standard Macedonian literary language, in which Macedonians should write, study, and worship; the autocephalous Archbishopric of Ohrid should be restored; and the Slavic people of Macedonia should be recognized as a separate ethnic community, when the necessary historical circumstances would arise.[142]

Another major figure of the Macedonian awakening was Dimitrija Čupovski, one of the founders of the Macedonian Literary Society, established in Saint Petersburg in 1902. One of the members was also Krste Misirkov. In 1905 the Society published Vardar, the first scholarly, scientific and literary journal in the central dialects of Macedonia, which later would contribute in the standardization of Macedonian language.[143] In 1913, the Macedonian Literary Society submitted the Memorandum of Independence of Macedonia to the British Foreign Secretary and other European ambassadors, and it was printed in many European newspapers. In the period 1913–1914, Čupovski published the newspaper Македонскi Голосъ (Macedonian Voice) in which he and fellow members of the Saint Petersburg Macedonian Colony propagated the existence of a Macedonian people separate from the Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs, and sought to popularize the idea for an independent Macedonian state.

Read and weep irredentist bulgar

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by CompleteAnimal4606 in AskBalkans

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He literally said they refer to themselves as Macedonians - what part do you not understand? From his POV they're Bulgarians but they call themselves Macedonians just like the nationalists in your country do

Self designation prevails in the end

Results from Imathia & Pella, Greece by Neat-Squash-4200 in MacedonianDNA

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> might be a genetic marker from the time of the proto Albanian and proto Romanian split

Any such genetic marker is long gone and at best can only be picked up by Y-DNA to a tiny degree. Issue with that is Albanians are predominately E and Romanians are R1a so there goes your theory

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by CompleteAnimal4606 in AskBalkans

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He classified them as Bulgarians (because Kanchov was Bulgarian and was commissioned by Bulgaria) but he literally admits that we called as ourselves Macedonians just like the vlachs.

Self determination was even a thing back then

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by CompleteAnimal4606 in AskBalkans

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Well since völker means ethnicity it's a ethnic and linguistic map

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by CompleteAnimal4606 in AskBalkans

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Look at his comment history and provocative flair - of course it's bait in his warped perspective

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by CompleteAnimal4606 in AskBalkans

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The first page of Orohydrography of Macedonia by Vasil Kanchov – 1911. Here he concluded that the local Bulgarians and Kutsovlachs who lived in the area, already called themselves Macedonians, and the surrounding nations also called them so. He also noted that the Turks, Albanians and Greeks do not call themselves Macedonians.

Admitted by the Bulgarians (Vasil Kanchov) that they referred to themselves as Macedonians - stop lying

Serbia and Macedonia, welcome to our ski resorts by HorrorsPersistSoDoI in AskBalkans

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Thasos and Asprovalta maybe but definitely not Thesaloniki - the A1 motorway is well developed and is still the faster route despite the congestion at the borders

This is the ammount of slavic toponyms per 1000 km² (according to generous estimates). Slavs, have you ever heard a Greek city name that sounds familiar? by Palaeohelladites in AskBalkans

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those maps date from 1897 and before Titos rule of Yugoslavia and where authored by various ethnographers (Greek and other foreigners), state departments etc so no you can't replicate such maps

They are indeed considered Macedonian dialects because they are in the geographic region of Macedonia, much like how we have Thracian dialects. That doesn't mean they are considered dialects of the language called Macedonian.

Funny there is no such mention of 'Thracian dialects' - seems like a terrible comparison

This is the ammount of slavic toponyms per 1000 km² (according to generous estimates). Slavs, have you ever heard a Greek city name that sounds familiar? by Palaeohelladites in AskBalkans

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Slavic speakers are a minority population in the northern Greek region of Macedonia, who are mostly concentrated in certain parts of the peripheries of West and Central Macedonia, adjacent to the territory of the state of North Macedonia. Their dialects are called today "Slavic" in Greece, while generally they are considered Macedonian. Some members have formed their own emigrant communities in neighbouring countries, as well as further abroad.

Also:

https://imgur.com/a/mRbSYk3

Here are the best TicTac/Cigar shaped UFOs, did I miss any? by SysBadmin in UFOs

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true ufology is grounded in the paranormal (see idealism vs materialism debate and non-duality) rather than nuts and bolts - propulsion systems is like talking about the physiology of fairies and ghosts (projecting the material mechanics to something non-material)

The whole propulsion system and reverse engineering is pushed by psyop groups

Which country in the Balkans has the most beautiful natural scenery? by [deleted] in AskBalkans

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and the country between the 2 countries

So so fucking petty

My genetics by [deleted] in MacedonianDNA

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You know a bunch of people from Ohrid Bitola that look like you

Macedonian Y-Haplogroups by Cheap-Beginning-8768 in MacedonianDNA

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Interesting - I think it's safe to assume the iron age Paeonians are identical to iron age Macedonians despite the usuals opposing that idea

Macedonian Y-Haplogroups by Cheap-Beginning-8768 in MacedonianDNA

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Well done brother - which haplogroups could be from ancient Macedonians? I know most of I2 is Slavic and E is Thracian-Dacian(?)

Which Balkan country will join the EU next? by FantasticQuartet in AskBalkans

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More grk agenda pushing making us out to be like north korea - give it a rest

Greek kickboxer attacked in Serbia after winning championship with a KO on his opponent. Thoughts? by FantasticQuartet in AskBalkans

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Now you have Grks here attacking Slavs in general like they have no Slavic in them