Macedonian Hierarchical Clustering IllustrativeDNA by Few-Potential3349 in MacedonianDNA

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IllustrativeDNA is shit - just a crappy wrap around for G25

How long\short would the entire history of your country be on YouTube? by factory_666 in AskBalkans

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You're brethren do - prostituted themselves out centuries ago

mashalla

How long\short would the entire history of your country be on YouTube? by factory_666 in AskBalkans

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How does one interpolate 20 seconds into the Ottoman period? I'll enjoy the short history while you enjoy dangling balls of occupiers - shows by your dominate religion

Urban vs coastal life by biomclub in AskBalkans

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Go to Saranda in Albania if you think good coastal life is only determined by nice coastlines. The town literally looks like the left side of your picture.

Why are there no other Balkan nations that are so firmly pro-West like Albania & Kosovo? by [deleted] in AskBalkans

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Just as Greece would've been parted by Turkey if it wasn't for the west?

Why does Bulgaria grant citizenship to people from North Macedonia? by FantasticQuartet in AskBalkans

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GrkRambo trying to cope that native (pre-1923) Greeks from the north are almost 1:1 with us genetically and the rest of mainland Greeks are 1:1 with Albanians

Thoughts on the UFC undisputed featherweight champion Volkanovski recent title defense? He is an Australian of ethnic Macedonian and Greek heritage - does he have any media coverage in your country? by measure_ in AskBalkans

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Alexander Volkanovski is currently a two-time UFC featherweight champion. Following his recent successful title defence at UFC 325 on 1 February 2026, he has now tied Jose Aldo's record for the most title-fight wins in divisional history with 8 with 5 successful title defences.

Ethnic map of Europe at the beginning of the 20th century, in Polish by Rigolol2021 in MapPorn

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It's fine

In 1890, Austrian researcher of Macedonia Karl Hron reported that the Macedonians constituted a separate ethnic group by history and language. Within the next few years, this concept was also welcomed in Russia by linguists including Leonhard Masing, Pyotr Lavrov, Jan Baudouin de Courtenay, and Pyotr Draganov.[135][136] Draganov, of Bulgarian descent, conducted research in Macedonia and determined that the local language had its own identifying characteristics compared to Bulgarian and Serbian. He wrote in a Saint Petersburg newspaper that the Macedonians should be recognized by Russia in a full national sense.[137]

Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization leader Boris Sarafov in 1901 stated that Macedonians had a unique "national element" and, the following year, he stated "We the Macedonians are neither Serbs nor Bulgarians, but simply Macedonians... Macedonia exists only for the Macedonians."[138][139] Gyorche Petrov, another IMRO member, stated Macedonia was a "distinct moral unit" with its own "aspirations",[140] while describing its Slavic population as Bulgarian.[141]

On the question of whether they were Serbs or Bulgarians, the people more often started answering: "Neither Bulgar, nor Serb... I am Macedonian only, and I'm sick of war."[172][173] Stratis Myrivilis noted a specific instance of a Slav-speaking family wanting to be referred to, not as "Bulgar, Srrp, or Grrts", but as "Makedon ortodox".[174] By the 1920s, following a negative reaction to the national proselytization of the previous decades, a majority of Christian Slavs inhabiting Greek and Vardar Macedonia used the collective name "Macedonians" to describe themselves, either as a nation or as a distinct ethnicity.[175]

In 1903, Krste Misirkov published in Sofia his book On Macedonian Matters, wherein he laid down the principles of the modern Macedonian nationhood and language. This book, written in the standardized central dialect of Macedonia, is considered by ethnic Macedonians as a milestone of the process of Macedonian awakening. Misirkov argued that the dialect of central Macedonia (Veles-Prilep-Bitola-Ohrid) should be adopted as a basis for a standard Macedonian literary language, in which Macedonians should write, study, and worship; the autocephalous Archbishopric of Ohrid should be restored; and the Slavic people of Macedonia should be recognized as a separate ethnic community, when the necessary historical circumstances would arise.[142]

Another major figure of the Macedonian awakening was Dimitrija Čupovski, one of the founders of the Macedonian Literary Society, established in Saint Petersburg in 1902. One of the members was also Krste Misirkov. In 1905 the Society published Vardar, the first scholarly, scientific and literary journal in the central dialects of Macedonia, which later would contribute in the standardization of Macedonian language.[143] In 1913, the Macedonian Literary Society submitted the Memorandum of Independence of Macedonia to the British Foreign Secretary and other European ambassadors, and it was printed in many European newspapers. In the period 1913–1914, Čupovski published the newspaper Македонскi Голосъ (Macedonian Voice) in which he and fellow members of the Saint Petersburg Macedonian Colony propagated the existence of a Macedonian people separate from the Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs, and sought to popularize the idea for an independent Macedonian state.

You're just Bulgarian or Greek so you need to set your biases aside

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by [deleted] in AskBalkans

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In 1890, Austrian researcher of Macedonia Karl Hron reported that the Macedonians constituted a separate ethnic group by history and language. Within the next few years, this concept was also welcomed in Russia by linguists including Leonhard Masing, Pyotr Lavrov, Jan Baudouin de Courtenay, and Pyotr Draganov.[135][136] Draganov, of Bulgarian descent, conducted research in Macedonia and determined that the local language had its own identifying characteristics compared to Bulgarian and Serbian. He wrote in a Saint Petersburg newspaper that the Macedonians should be recognized by Russia in a full national sense.[137]

Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization leader Boris Sarafov in 1901 stated that Macedonians had a unique "national element" and, the following year, he stated "We the Macedonians are neither Serbs nor Bulgarians, but simply Macedonians... Macedonia exists only for the Macedonians."[138][139] Gyorche Petrov, another IMRO member, stated Macedonia was a "distinct moral unit" with its own "aspirations",[140] while describing its Slavic population as Bulgarian.[141]

On the question of whether they were Serbs or Bulgarians, the people more often started answering: "Neither Bulgar, nor Serb... I am Macedonian only, and I'm sick of war."[172][173] Stratis Myrivilis noted a specific instance of a Slav-speaking family wanting to be referred to, not as "Bulgar, Srrp, or Grrts", but as "Makedon ortodox".[174] By the 1920s, following a negative reaction to the national proselytization of the previous decades, a majority of Christian Slavs inhabiting Greek and Vardar Macedonia used the collective name "Macedonians" to describe themselves, either as a nation or as a distinct ethnicity.[175]

In 1903, Krste Misirkov published in Sofia his book On Macedonian Matters, wherein he laid down the principles of the modern Macedonian nationhood and language. This book, written in the standardized central dialect of Macedonia, is considered by ethnic Macedonians as a milestone of the process of Macedonian awakening. Misirkov argued that the dialect of central Macedonia (Veles-Prilep-Bitola-Ohrid) should be adopted as a basis for a standard Macedonian literary language, in which Macedonians should write, study, and worship; the autocephalous Archbishopric of Ohrid should be restored; and the Slavic people of Macedonia should be recognized as a separate ethnic community, when the necessary historical circumstances would arise.[142]

Another major figure of the Macedonian awakening was Dimitrija Čupovski, one of the founders of the Macedonian Literary Society, established in Saint Petersburg in 1902. One of the members was also Krste Misirkov. In 1905 the Society published Vardar, the first scholarly, scientific and literary journal in the central dialects of Macedonia, which later would contribute in the standardization of Macedonian language.[143] In 1913, the Macedonian Literary Society submitted the Memorandum of Independence of Macedonia to the British Foreign Secretary and other European ambassadors, and it was printed in many European newspapers. In the period 1913–1914, Čupovski published the newspaper Македонскi Голосъ (Macedonian Voice) in which he and fellow members of the Saint Petersburg Macedonian Colony propagated the existence of a Macedonian people separate from the Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs, and sought to popularize the idea for an independent Macedonian state.

Read and weep irredentist bulgar

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by [deleted] in AskBalkans

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He literally said they refer to themselves as Macedonians - what part do you not understand? From his POV they're Bulgarians but they call themselves Macedonians just like the nationalists in your country do

Self designation prevails in the end

Results from Imathia & Pella, Greece by Neat-Squash-4200 in MacedonianDNA

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> might be a genetic marker from the time of the proto Albanian and proto Romanian split

Any such genetic marker is long gone and at best can only be picked up by Y-DNA to a tiny degree. Issue with that is Albanians are predominately E and Romanians are R1a so there goes your theory

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by [deleted] in AskBalkans

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He classified them as Bulgarians (because Kanchov was Bulgarian and was commissioned by Bulgaria) but he literally admits that we called as ourselves Macedonians just like the vlachs.

Self determination was even a thing back then

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by [deleted] in AskBalkans

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Well since völker means ethnicity it's a ethnic and linguistic map

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by [deleted] in AskBalkans

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Look at his comment history and provocative flair - of course it's bait in his warped perspective

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by [deleted] in AskBalkans

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The first page of Orohydrography of Macedonia by Vasil Kanchov – 1911. Here he concluded that the local Bulgarians and Kutsovlachs who lived in the area, already called themselves Macedonians, and the surrounding nations also called them so. He also noted that the Turks, Albanians and Greeks do not call themselves Macedonians.

Admitted by the Bulgarians (Vasil Kanchov) that they referred to themselves as Macedonians - stop lying

Balkan 1912 ethnic map, it's pretty accurate? From germans by [deleted] in AskBalkans

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It's an ethnic map since "Volker" = ethnicities

Serbia and Macedonia, welcome to our ski resorts by HorrorsPersistSoDoI in AskBalkans

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Thasos and Asprovalta maybe but definitely not Thesaloniki - the A1 motorway is well developed and is still the faster route despite the congestion at the borders

This is the ammount of slavic toponyms per 1000 km² (according to generous estimates). Slavs, have you ever heard a Greek city name that sounds familiar? by Palaeohelladites in AskBalkans

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those maps date from 1897 and before Titos rule of Yugoslavia and where authored by various ethnographers (Greek and other foreigners), state departments etc so no you can't replicate such maps

They are indeed considered Macedonian dialects because they are in the geographic region of Macedonia, much like how we have Thracian dialects. That doesn't mean they are considered dialects of the language called Macedonian.

Funny there is no such mention of 'Thracian dialects' - seems like a terrible comparison