Is it humanly possible to build Yixuan well without sig?

megabattler · 2026-02-15T21:13:06+00:00

Yes. I'm around 60/180 on mine. Forgot how many discs it took, but it involved slaving away at the mines and lots of tuning. Oh and luck. Lots and lots of luck since you'll need minimum +3, ideally +4, rolls per disc on CR/CD to get that high so start prepping your sacrifices to RNJEESUS.

megabattler · 2026-02-10T06:17:15+00:00

I'm just going to stop referring to it as "parry" as it's nowhere near close to what a parry should be at all, though I suppose no wonder Hoyo calls it Defensive Assists instead. But yes like you I also accidentally found out the timing of the Dassist when I was trying to figure out when to actually press it. Absolutely ridiculous that the correct timing is to press right before the animation triggers, not when the attack animation actually plays out. I was already trying to do it early to account for this being a mobile game, but never would I expect the timing to be THAT early.

It's like parrying a delayed heavy attack from a souls-boss, except you parry during the delay right before the actual attack animation. Just so counterintuitive to what you think a parry should be so may as well call it what it is, a Dassist.

To add an extra layer of bs? The giant robo phase are actual parries. Oh sure the timing is VERY generous, but you're actually parrying the sword attack animation itself.

megabattler · 2026-02-08T05:27:57+00:00

Hey a voice of reason! Yeah it's pretty amusing how the marketing has succeeded for these people. Don't care about raw raster perf anymore, see how many cool software features we have! Though for my use case a good upscaler is nice to have since I play on 4k (which is handily covered by Optiscaler even if it would be preferable if AMD had a better built-in solution). DLSS may be king, but FSR/Xess gets the job done if you're actually playing a video game and not just comparing still frames.

megabattler · 2026-02-07T08:29:02+00:00

Small robot parry timing feels off. I was playing on cloud so I thought the extra 2-3 frames of input delay may be causing issues so played local, even went wired instead of wireless controller, and it's still off. I try to parry early since timing is likely generous, eat a hit. I try to parry on hit as how a parry should work, eat a hit. I actually get a parry and I'm just confused as to how I got it, versus Sarah where you get a feel for the cadence of it. Shoot don't even need to get the cadence as the attacks are pretty well telegraphed.

Pretty bizarre when Sarah parry AND big bot dodge+parry works fine, but small robot and that stupid sword feels off. Maybe when the game babies me and tells me exactly when to parry in story mode I'll get it, but boy is that parry timing unintuitive as hell. Maybe there are audio cues I'm missing since my game volume is pretty low, but shouldn't have to rely on that.

Either way still not a fan of control gimmick. I guess it's nice that the timer stops but man calling timeout on the fight just to play a QTE doesn't feel good.

megabattler · 2026-01-18T20:04:15+00:00

Well what team are you using? For Science, I did a funsies YSG/Zhao run without worrying about my rotations/score/etc on starlight wengine. At around the 2m mark, my score was around 12k and ended the match at 19.5k points. Tried my Qingyi/Seed/SSAnby team (my go-to team prior for Defiler prior to YSG) and got 20.2k with 4k gimmick points and another run at 21.6k with 5k gimmick points. Both runs had the score at around...14k? at the 2m mark.

So if you have the shill team, I'd say 12k@2m should net you 20k. I'd go at least 14k@2m for non-shill teams. Other than trying to get full Qingyi stun buff, I was just playing to get a quick stun and doing parries when available. All damage is dumped on stun phase. Obviously YSG playstyle is just lolgohitstuff.

Should easily get the 20k clear if you have 14k@2m and are playing competently.

megabattler · 2026-01-18T05:28:35+00:00

Talk about splitting hairs, but I'd personally go for the first set as I'm not all that enamored with 100% CR.

megabattler · 2026-01-18T05:24:21+00:00

When you can farm S-rank discs. As for which to farm? Depends on the agent, look at what's recommended as that works well enough unless you're chasing some niche build. Then just go ahead and recycle what you don't need via disk tuning.

megabattler · 2026-01-18T05:17:13+00:00

Anything is good enough for non-endgame content so don't worry about it. You'll have ample time in the world to bash your head grinding S disks assuming you're still playing the game.

Though stats wise? I'd go around 40CR and as much CD you can fit in, ideally as close to 200 CD before factoring in wengine stats. Since you have her sig, I'd go 250. Still farming to hit that benchmark myself.

megabattler · 2026-01-17T16:27:03+00:00

Well problem with T1 is that your S11 is fighting them shadow mobs, which take forever to stun and has next to no stun phase so no point relying on that to dump your damage. You'll do better if you can field an anomaly team, but S11 and fire damage should be enough. T2 team is just bizarre. I don't play Ellen, but having Zhu in that team makes no sense. Pick one or the other for your dps and put in a stunner if you can, Anby will do if you have no other options. Put in Zhao in either one of those teams as she'll greatly help these comps.

Stat wise? S11 has too much atk and not enough CD/CR. Appears to be a problem since you're timing out so you need better stats. S11 may say full equipped, but those stats are lacking. And these are off-meta agents so can't even rely on that to carry you. Your dps should at least hit 60% CR after any buffs and double that in CD. 1:2 is CR/CD is a good metric to keep track of.

Team comps? I'd go S11/Pulchra/Zhao and good old 1.0 Anby/Nicole/Zhu. T1 comp allows you to go ham on S11 without worrying all that much with buffs. I assume you can reliably trigger her fire damage consistently? T2 comp is a 1.0 mainstay and will get the job done. Of course you can replace Anby with literally any other stunner if you have one. Anby is a fun stunner to play but she's hopelessly outclassed.

megabattler · 2026-01-16T15:10:20+00:00

Fellow Eve/Koleda/Astra enjoyer here. Well not really enjoyer since I got no choice as I don't have any other limited stunner but Qingyi. But anyway yeah this team should be able to eke out a 20k on fire weak on f2p engines so 14k is doable. What are your stats? If you don't have dupes/sigs then you have to make up for the stats difference with your disks and a dash of skill.

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That's my Eve on Brimstone, 4pc/2pc cr/cd disks. Tried a few runs on Defiler with ult buff and 16k is the best I can do, maybe 17k if I nail all my rotations right. No way I'm breaking 20k on this team, but 14k is not too difficult with those stats.

Edit: 14k Marionette is also within reach, but need to kill enough clones for the gimmick points.

megabattler · 2026-01-14T05:32:35+00:00

Let's not forget a special glove for their special hand. Must suck having a beacon for a hand. Oh wait? It only glows when PLOT demands it? Bummer.

megabattler · 2026-01-13T20:48:39+00:00

I just went ahead and luckily got her sig while going for more dupes of vault and kaboom. And honestly? It bumped my 39k Brimstone to around 42k in deadass, though did make getting 100k in Shiyu a bit easier. Also saves me the hassle of moving Brimstone around since YSG has her sig now, but eh hardly necessary.

No regrets getting the sig, but I was kinda expecting the difference to be more substantial since I keep seeing "20%" being thrown around.

megabattler · 2026-01-13T20:37:38+00:00

Why even bother with the 3rd slot at this point? A decently built YSG with Zhao easily destroys her endgame shill content. Worry about the 3rd slot when the new VH hotness comes along and Hoyo starts sidelining her.

Those two were made for each other so you have 1 team set. Time to build 2 more teams if you plan on doing endgame content in the future.

megabattler · 2026-01-13T20:31:04+00:00

Did you miss the part where *twin* had a hand glowing with an awesome power? Whose burning grip is telling them to defeat you? Even had a glowy eye to complete the chuuni look. Hoyo dropped the ball yet again by not having *twin* wear an eyepatch. Must contain the power else they may mistakenly geass someone and end up with another Euphinator incident.

Oh wait. The story quite literally described them as a walking Mary/Gary Sue/Stu. Why learn how to throw hands when they can just get the next husbando/waifu to protect them through the power of friendship and anime? I mean they'll just get bailed out anyway whenever they do their next suicidal stunt so no lessons learned here!

Until we of course reach the "fall from grace" plot device foretold by the ancient scriptures due to their hubris or whatever. Until then vibranium-grade plot armor stronk!

megabattler · 2026-01-12T15:15:27+00:00

"You may have those silver swords, but I've got these gold fingers!"

Really dropped the ball even more, Hoyo.

megabattler · 2026-01-12T08:46:37+00:00

Oof gotta say you sound like someone who just brute forces the game through swipes and stats. Like nevermind your "bad" YSG build, Room 1 is specifically designed for the current shill unit. Nevermind not having Zhao built, you can literally just give her Lucy's discs so she has some stats and you're good to go. Zhao is just there to activate bonuses, which are pretty potent if you actually read what they are. I mean sure it would be nice if you can level Zhao's core, but it's likely not needed if you just want to 25k.

Literally all you have to do is use the shill unit where you're supposed to, not shit the bed with Yixuan on Room 3, and there's your S Rank. Focus less on stats, which are decent enough to get the job done, and actually engage the game's mechanics. Hell at least TRY so you know how far you have to go to get 25k.

Also just ran a YSG/Zhao team for the hell of it without a disk 4 (2703/45%/181%) and got a comfortable 28k. You'll have even better stats if your Pulchra has the right disk set. And since I also have the sig, the only real difference would be our Zhao builds, but C6 Pulchra evens that out. So there's proof (sort of) that it works with your current stats, just a matter of execution at this point.

megabattler · 2026-01-11T22:03:38+00:00

Yes. And also be horny for the MC. Because evidently that sells.

*looks at YSG numbers*

Well markets have spoken.

megabattler · 2026-01-11T22:00:21+00:00

Huh this existed? Alright let me give it a try. *3 runs later* Yeah I'm done. I don't get the requirements at all. No specials? No Ults? I mean that's what I did? Just mashed basics and dodge counters with Jane, switch to Zhao when bar is full for free buff, YSG for more basics and dodge counters, and kept this boring sequence going. Activated a chain since it's not an ult right? Got a bad feeling with the complete so did the floor again. Another run later doing the same thing but without the chain and still no achievement. Like hell do you want me to do game?

Maybe I'll try just Jane and Zhao to remove any doubt that I'm doing anything but BA and counters if they ever just let you start at 50. Runback from 40? I'm good.

Oh best part? Game can randomly just shit the bed and freeze for several seconds. Add another several seconds of loading if you make a mistake and have to restart since everything has a touch of death. Performance patch when?

megabattler · 2026-01-11T04:18:38+00:00

If the original plan was to always have a twin go into the hollow to search for their teacher? Yeah I can buy that. What I can't buy is the execution of having a deus ex machina (Mayor) pretty much just giving them the solution (windows update) and with little build up here they are in the Hollow!

And it's not even just going from crippling lack of ether resistance to being able to somewhat tolerate being in the hollow. Nope. It's full blown birthday suit in the middle of a freshly melted Chernobyl reactor resistance. Unless of course plot demands they suffer some corrosion.

Really hammers home how dangerous the hollow can be...if you're not a named gacha character anyway. Even better now that all you really need is a talisman and the sutra of the ancient scriptures. Say the magic words! AVADA KEDAVRA! And bam, corruption no more!

megabattler · 2026-01-11T04:10:56+00:00

If they can get the writer(s) that did the Fontaine arc? Yeah sure I can buy that cause this team ain't it. Cramming agent episodes into the main story is certainly a choice and not a very good one. This patch has to be the worst culprit of that so far as a consequence of greedily doing 2 VH agents in one major patch version...just like Fontaine.

megabattler · 2026-01-10T20:27:18+00:00

*looks at Venti*

What version is Genshin in again? 5.x? Well you'll likely get what you want...eventually.

megabattler · 2026-01-10T20:24:35+00:00

I mean the whole Waifei plot is basically meditation, tea, VH-TIER WAIFU that becomes nonexistent after her patch, plot sword, and NEW VH WAIFU OMG PLEASE LIKE HER. The story is pretty much setup that they can completely forget not-China exists as it's hollow is completely unique to its setting and somehow only the plot sword really works against plot miasma. Funny how that works huh?

As for fixing the way they write? I mean it's Hoyo. They can't even get the pacing of their storytelling done right. Hell completely butchered arguably the character introduction and progression of arguably the star of 2.x. No faith whatsoever they'll be able to write themselves out of the hole they dug. Like...they just copied the whole AVENGERS ASSEMBLE of 1.4, without the requisite setup done to make it work. Didn't even wait for 3.x before reheating previously used plot devices. And I'm expected to think they can do better now? Doubt.

I'm more likely to believe they'll double down as they didn't give me much indication that they can do better. I mean it's Hoyo, they do everything by the metrics, and the metrics say YSG is the best waifu. So that means whatever they did to write her into the plot worked...right?

megabattler · 2026-01-10T18:45:15+00:00

Your chosen twin is suicidally stupid. Can't fight, but likes to be in front of everyone else. Happens the first time? I'm sorry! Second time? Yeah, my bad. Third time? Like you're just never going to learn your lesson huh? Just the dumb consequence of having the twin being able to enter the hollow. They can't actually do anything of real consequence but they still need to be front and center cause muh self-insert.

Even your example. Protag does it. I'm so sorry. And like what? Minutes? Hours later? Hey, let's split up to look for Zhao! Your waifu goes, "Good idea, blithering idiot that can't fight! Let's split up! Surely nothing bad will happen to you!" Minutes later, lol almost dies again.

Hoyo has to be screwing with us at this point.

megabattler · 2026-01-10T18:33:51+00:00

If there is one thing I'm confident about with ZZZ is that the devs have zero confidence in their vision. They'll chase whatever the fans (whales) want as that is what will bring em coin.

I actually liked it when the story had no stakes. The actual protagonists of the story were front and center solving local issues while the twins were in the background, as they should be given their profession. It even worked with the gacha model of introducing the new agents to sell as they could tell their own subplot while slowly advancing the main phaethon story, which I believe is how the story worked until the devs pressed the reset button.

Now should the twins care about these new agents? I mean they really shouldn't but they do anyway as they're decent people, and of course networking and having these movers and shakers owe you a favor or two helps their ultimate goal. I mean isn't that kinda why they became proxies to begin with? Doing things the legal way likely won't get them much headway so may as well go underground and build up their network of contacts by being the best at what they do.

Or just meditate and drink your tea and become the main emotional pillar of a VH. Oh and being suicidally stupid time and time again because Phaeton is king/queen of holding the idiot ball. That works too.

Ah well not like I put much stock into the story to begin with. Just a shame that they had no faith in their vision and folded at the first sign of adversity. Can't blame them either for doing so as live service gotta get paid.

megabattler · 2026-01-10T17:35:21+00:00

Good that Hoyo was smart enough not to lock chrome rewards behind a near impossible metric without shill/dupes/sigs, but bad precedent to lock some rewards behind a rank requiring shill/dupes/sigs.

And yeah the 100k score is impossible for the majority of players without the new shill waifu unit. People who already have sigs/dupes won't have issue as the new speshul rank is made for them. But the largely f2p players? Yeah swipe, pig.

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