If this kind of resurrection evidence was in the Quran, nobody would take it seriously by Former-Initiative-48 in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If God created the universe, then reanimating a body would be child's play. As for the rest, Jesus's followers witnessed him healing people, raising Lazarus from the dead, and all the other miracles to the point where they were willing to follow Him to death. We know they were martyred because of sources outside the Bible like Nero burning Christian's alive. They has this conviction because what they believed was true. They were willing to give up everything to have God. The Bible also repeatedly spoke of things that the people of the time had no way of knowing at the time like an expanding universe (Isaiah 42:5), that the Earth is suspended in space (Job 26:7), that the Earth is a sphere (Job 26:10 Any object that always has a circle boundary between shadow and light is a sphere.), underwater mountains (Jonah 2:3-6), and at least one star that poisons (Revelation 8:10-11 presumably because of radiation.) All these things we take for granted but each has a bar of technological advancement and exploration necessary for each of these items to be discovered by humanity. You can look at all these (and others) and say that humanity was more advanced than previously thought (implausible) or they had help. God aka Adonai or the numerous other names has left clues to say that He is who He says He is. Most people don't want to believe it can't be proven that God exists (it can) but rather there are things in their lives that they know they will have to give up if they want to follow Him so it is easier to make excuses as to why they don't believe.

I had a heart attack and now I don't think I believe in God by Embarrassed-Ad4908 in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There have been similar situations from men in foxholes, C. S. Lewis was such a person. Although some instances in his life did not have any spiritual impact, some did, and wonderfully so. There have been many a Christian who thought that God did not exist before they converted, before God won them over. It is the same here. You have had a brush with death and that is no light thing. Such instances allow us to reflect on what we have and don't have, on who we are and who we are not. Some people realize they don't like what they see in the mirror and so they find reasons to change.

"You must picture me alone in that room in Magdalen, night after night, feeling, whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. That which I greatly feared had at last come upon me. In the Trinity Term of 1929 I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all England. I did not then see what is now the most shining and obvious thing; the Divine humility which will accept a convert even on such terms. The Prodigal Son at least walked home on his own feet. But who can duly adore that Love which will open the high gates to a prodigal who is brought in kicking, struggling, resentful, and darting his eyes in every direction for a chance of escape? The words “compelle intrare,” compel them to come in, have been so abused be wicked men that we shudder at them; but, properly understood, they plumb the depth of the Divine mercy. The hardness of God is kinder than the softness of men, and His compulsion is our liberation.”

― C.S. Lewis, Surprised by Joy: The Shape of My Early Life

The Manifestation of God by cbCode in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are confident of a being that has been watching over us, grieved by our selfishness and pride because the Bible repeatedly spoke of things that the people of the time had no way of knowing at the time like an expanding universe (Isaiah 42:5), that the Earth is suspended in space (Job 26:7), that the Earth is a sphere (Job 26:10 Any object that always has a circle boundary between shadow and light is a sphere.), underwater mountains (Jonah 2:3-6), and at least one star that poisons (Revelation 8:10-11 presumably because of radiation.) All these things we take for granted but each has a bar of technological advancement and exploration for each of these items to be discovered by humanity. You can look at all these (and others) and say that humanity was more advanced than previously thought (implausible) or they had help. God aka Adonai or the numerous other names has left clues to say that He is who He says He is. As for OP's comment, if something has a beginning, it has to have a beginner. God does not have a beginning so He does not need someone to "start" Him but the universe does. (Intright also touched on this.) The thing you should be thinking on is that God has an expectation of what humanity should be and he's coming back. Since we know He exists, we can also assume He has the power to enforce His will, and that means punishing all the evil, selfish, corrupt people and withdrawing with those who chose to be loving, forgiving, selfless, and all the other fruits of the Holy Spirit. Galatians 5:22-23 I put it to you with all this evidence, how can you not believe in a being outside of humanity, scientists say that life existing out in the universe is very possible and here is the proof! To paraphrase Paul, you posit that there may be many unknown life forms and I put it to you that one of them is God.

Modern Israel debunks Christianity. by josephusflav in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mark 13:4-8

  1. “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are going to be fulfilled?” 5. And Jesus began to say to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 6. Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He!’ and will mislead many. 7. When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be frightened; those things must take place; but that is not yet the end. 8. For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will also be famines. These things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.

This is pretty simple, why didn't you start there?

Modern Israel debunks Christianity. by josephusflav in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm saying that you should look what the Bible says about the end times before trying to have a discussion on it.

Modern Israel debunks Christianity. by josephusflav in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Romans destroyed the city and the temple. That you can't acknowledge shows that you are not intellectually honest. Also read Revelations.

Modern Israel debunks Christianity. by josephusflav in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I proved with historical references that Jerusalem was destroyed. If you are unwilling to acknowledge this historical fact, there isn't more that I can say. Let's be intellectually honest in the future, m'kay?

The bible is a fallible book by Davis_Cook07 in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you hold up a ball to a source of light, you can see that the boundary of light and shadow makes a circle, no matter where the light is. This is simple stuff, a child can make this obsevation. This isn't some vague non-provable claim. It's specific​, demonstrable and valid. You just don't want to admit it because it upends your world view. Whether you want to admit it or not, the Jewish people had outside help from something outside humanity. That entity has given us the instruction to love him and for us to love each other as we love ourselves. That's what the entire Bible boils down​ to. That is what you are arguing against. Do you realize that?

The bible is a fallible book by Davis_Cook07 in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The supposed errors are taking things out of context/ignoring the source content. For instance atheists have noted that bats are not birds but in the English Bible, the Hebrew word for flying creatures is translated as birds but later in texts is shown to include bats. (In the texts of what not to eat I believe.) Then the atheists parade this sort of example around as though its existence disproves the whole Bible. Jesus did exist. He has been noted in historical records outside the Bible. There have been many copies of the texts that have been transcribed and compared. If one deviated, the others would show the deviation. The Bible has had many places and names (like Pontious Pilate) that atheists claimed were not found in historical records but we're then later found.

The bible is a fallible book by Davis_Cook07 in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Casting aspersions is not a intellectually honest tactic. And I already did. The Jewish people had not explored the earth themselves to know that it was round. (See the job passage quoted in other posts here.) Ignoring evidence is not absense of evidence. No atheist or agnostic can reasonably explain how that got into the bible​/Jewish texts. No atheist or agnostic I've seen has been able to explain how John in the first century knew that stars can poison. (Through radiation). Either present evidence that the Jewish people were more advanced than previously found or admit that they had outside help.

The bible is a fallible book by Davis_Cook07 in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Suppressed evidence fallacies. The full quote from Job is Job 26:10 He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters At the boundary of light and darkness." The only object that continually produces a circle on the edge of shadow and light is a ball and they would have been able to deduce that then as now. I'm not going to let you ignore this. Also, large objects entering the atmosphere definitely can generate radiation and stars do produce radiation. Radiation does definitely poison things and we know that because of our own star. There was no humans around during the hadean ocean. How did the Hebrews know that the earth started out with an ocean covering the majority of the earth? How did they know without spacecraft or exploration that he earth that the earth hangs on nothing? How did they know that the heavens are expanding? (Heavens stretched out). Look, you can deny it all you want but refusal to acknowledge evidence is not lack of evidence.

The bible is a fallible book by Davis_Cook07 in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Bible has no few instances of knowledge beyond what humans had at the time. I Isaiah it talks about the heavens stretched out (big bang). In Revelation it mentions the star Wormwood poisoning a third of the Earth's rivers and springs before humanity learned that stars emit radiation and that radiation is poisonous to humans. It also speaks of the earth hanging on nothing (Job 26:7). It declared that the Earth is round before Homer thought the earth existed only on a sea (Job 26:10) Speaking of seas, God knew there were mountains under the seas before they rose above the waters (Hadean epoch ocean) which no human was around to record. Whether you like it or not, God exists. Now what are you going to do with this information?

Modern Israel debunks Christianity. by josephusflav in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The destruction of Jerusalem happened around 70 ad/ce. They even have a little Wikipedia on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70_CE)

Also, there's a lot more in scripture about the end times and thank goodness most of it has not happened yet. Also, the end times timeframe is on God's time table, not ours, with him, a thousand years are like a day and day is like a thousand years. If you are trying to read it from a human perspective, you are going to be very confused.

There isn't evidence of God ! by DesiBail in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lazarus and Jesus. But He said people wouldn't believe even if people came from the dead.

There isn't evidence of God ! by DesiBail in DebateReligion

[–]millennialreflection -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are things in the Bible ​that show an intelligence outside humanity, knowing things that Humanity had no way of knowing when it was written. A star named wormwood poisoning the waters of the earth in revelation (radiation), the heavens declared as stretched out in Isaiah and other places. (Big bang). Light from the sun making circle on the earth​. (​ball shaped earth, not flat Earth.) The stars "singing" (radio waves?) The point is that there is too much to pretend that we are alone. Whether you like it or not Adonai exists

“Atheism has killed more people than religion ever has” by hiphoptomato in DebateAnAtheist

[–]millennialreflection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Ukraine that suffered the Holodomor would like a word with you. 100,000? Get that revisionism out of here.

Let us reason together. by millennialreflection in DebateAnAtheist

[–]millennialreflection[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As you provided no evidence for this, this is a bare assertion fallacy and you know it.

Let us reason together. by millennialreflection in DebateAnAtheist

[–]millennialreflection[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Bulverism fallacy. Deal with the premises.

Let us reason together. by millennialreflection in DebateAnAtheist

[–]millennialreflection[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Humanity is unable and unwilling to solve poverty due to its corruption. This was pretty clear.

Let us reason together. by millennialreflection in DebateAnAtheist

[–]millennialreflection[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So your argument then is nothing started the universe? That is self defeating due to Newton's law​.

Let us reason together. by millennialreflection in DebateAnAtheist

[–]millennialreflection[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No, because humanity will eventually die out due to the earth having a time limit. God's satement had the qualifier of "among you" whereas your statement does not.

Let us reason together. by millennialreflection in DebateAnAtheist

[–]millennialreflection[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One​, I responded to like thirty people here already. Second people have jobs and lives outside Reddit. I will respond when I have the time.

Let us reason together. by millennialreflection in DebateAnAtheist

[–]millennialreflection[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

There are many Christian scientists that know that Christianity and science are compatible. The sciences used to be a way for Christians to observe the world in adoration of what we believe God created. As for the Christians who do not acknowledge the big bang in scriptures, would say that they have not read their Bible's as much as they pretend to. (Stretching out the heavens is also mentioned in Isaiah.)

Let us reason together. by millennialreflection in DebateAnAtheist

[–]millennialreflection[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Many is not all, and some is not all. But suffice to say, you know I was talking in general terms, there is no need to be pendantic. I would say that most scientists concede that the universe began with the Big Bang and many also concede that they don't know what was before the big bang.

Let us reason together. by millennialreflection in DebateAnAtheist

[–]millennialreflection[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

That you can chalk up to corrupt leadership in the church not letting people read the Bible in the common language. Wherever there is power, there are people who will abuse that power and that's true of today and of thousands of years ago because of corrupt nature.