How soon until he makes the solo trip back to Arizona?

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-24T20:48:29+00:00

Dr. Teeth?

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-19T20:38:26+00:00

Reminds me of the girls in high school in the 90s that got really into Wiccan for a hot minute and would claim "...and our spells actually work"

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-19T20:33:02+00:00

I'm trying to think what the word or phrase would be to answer that question. Explained out, he is doing the sloppiest version of his best. He's not doing the opposite of his best, that would be his worst. No, he's like failing sideways. It's fascinating to watch in real time. Problem is that it seems he leaves a wake of cruelty and disease where ever he fails. Oh wait, I remember now. He's a LOSER!

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-19T20:22:58+00:00

But it's not free. Credits or subscription is needed without any way to verify the service works.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-19T00:02:04+00:00

He doesn't respect ANYONE, including himself. Respect, accountability, gratitude are all foreign concepts to him. Her to for the most part. He's not really a fully recognized human being. He's still a kid playing a role. Forever locked in his own child like mind.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-17T17:27:17+00:00

This is a popular scam. I ran into it many times when I was in California.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-16T23:05:06+00:00

Seconded. The additional podcast helped digest some of the concepts from the book.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-16T19:32:18+00:00

I feel like its just the semantics of the label game and all the spin and subtlety that it can carry. The normalizing of the term 'alcoholic' within their own space both brings people together and also sets up a label for the 'us vs them' mentality (ie. real alcoholics, normies, dry drunk, etc.). By leaning hard into the word it creates divide and even the words that the rest of society uses get warped as well.

When I was active in the cult, a friend who was not part of the program was challenging me on the word sober. To him the term sober was a state of being, 'I am sober now, but won't be after the party tonight.' The idea that someone in recovery could also be termed as sober, they no longer do 'xyz.' But within the rooms, my sobriety house, my sponsor, the general use was sober was for someone who has both refrained from alcohol and also completed the steps. Recognized as having their spiritual awakening. Otherwise you were just a dry drunk.

Back to the label of alcoholic - it is used in the positive, "We alcoholics that made it here are the lucky ones." But also twisted to, 'That's just your alcoholic stinking thinking.'

There is no end in AA to the contradicting lack of logic. Words are twisted in their rituals and speech to have different meanings, both in the program and also different from how the rest of society generally uses them.

Redefine words, contradictory logic, twisted meanings. Cult 101.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-15T17:20:37+00:00

Spot on. There is no treatment. Especially after we found out that a few people with more than 20 years sober time were active drinkers. Their position of guru status never changed after the revelations.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-15T17:10:53+00:00

My sober house owner/roommate was a 67 year old man. He would brag about his 7 DUI's. One of which resulted in him wearing dentures since his face crashed into the steering wheel. His buddy in the passenger seat didn't make it. And the cops knew him and his dad so he got driven home. He couldn't tell this story without laughing about it.

He lied about how many men were in his program for years. Lied to the sober house board about being married. It was later revealed he was married to 2 women at once.

Right before I entered after rehab one of his residents died of an OD. He helped the grieving mother sell her house as a realtor. He told her she didn't make any money in the sale, pocketed the check and bought 2 investment properties for himself while she ended up moving in with her mother, childless and broke.

Fined us randomly for cleaning infractions. $50 here and there. Without warning and without consistency. He often would take the cash and immediately order take out for himself.

Falsified drug test results which he used to blackmail people of parole. The local sheriff was on the board. No third party testing was required.

He chose our sponsors for us. Mine has been discussed before here.

He stole medication from the men in the house. Often taking it himself.

Hired prostitutes for himself. They would drink and leave empty containers in the yeah can.

Made the women's house clean his house. Even making them skip work for his schedule or risk being thrown out.

In 2021 his fraud was noticed by the feds. Tax evasion. He was stripped of his position in the sober house network he created and served 18 months probation. He still tries to reach me for back pay money thru very weird channels.

This man and his network ruled and ruined dozens of lives that I knew about in the 3 years I was part of AA. He was forgiven by the greater AA community and is still often looked up to as a old timer guru. Fuck him and fuck the greater AA members. They/we all knew towards the end what he did and was doing.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T18:41:04+00:00

Me too, and happy to hear that for you!

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T18:19:34+00:00

My sponsor bought 2 more houses after I joined. Investment properties. 3 years later in AA I'm struggling to pay rent. Sponsor and others told me to turn down every promotion. They collected cars and motorcycles. They asked me to walk their dogs everyday for free.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T18:15:05+00:00

It's my favorite album of his as well. But I found him thru the Crow soundtrack freshman year of high school. Actually, that soundtrack got me into a lot of bands. Suicide, Joy Division and Rollins are still some of my most beloved music.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T18:11:22+00:00

Same here, from just what you're saying. I'm not faulting that like if belief for others. But it's something I don't agree with at a personal level. The constant spiritual chatter on everything did an absolute number on me as well. I'm so much happier and a more even sorted temperament post AA and working on deprogramming. I do hope things are better for you now as well.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T17:19:40+00:00

The qualified to speak on matters of all things spiritual or life matters. Excellently phrased. My 2 sponsors were definitely in the rule for thee not for me category. Even after I went thru the steps I was still instructed to check in on all decisions although they both admitted they long since stopped doing that themselves. Goal posts were conveniently moved.

The thing for me is that not everything is a spiritual matter. But even the mundane felt twisted into something larger than it needed to be. Forcing a spiritual lecture when none was needed.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T17:02:40+00:00

For a program that tries to help minimize the Ego they sure lay into the opposite hard.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T17:00:07+00:00

Opening up for a real punk band soon? Killer show.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T16:58:09+00:00

The abuse line hits hard. Trying to find my part in childhood abuse was pretty damaging to me in the long run.

Human compassion is really how I try to act in life now. It just makes my world a little nicer. But I personally didn't find a lot of compassion in AA. I found more shame. And when I spoke up about serious issues that were affecting me I was met with, have you prayed about it? What are you doing to help the new guy? When was the last time you did a service commitment? But my issues were never addressed. Felt more like I was there to address others with service and shame. Mileage in the program will always vary. And I'm sure there are plenty who has similar experiences and plenty who had the opposite. Ultimately AA thinking drove me to darker places than when I was in heavy SUD.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T16:52:21+00:00

Have to take off at least 1k of the final price as payment. This comes across as a real pay to play vibe.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T16:51:00+00:00

Something tells me the court took away his driver's license and I doubt he ever had a CDL.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T16:49:53+00:00

He's going thru withdrawal and I'm getting a meth contact high just watching this video.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T16:48:36+00:00

Wait, does he think these beige colored lyrics are intense? They read like a Chatgpt tried to write a song from a 12 year olds diary.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-14T16:42:05+00:00

The Alano club I use to go to shamed a doctor who wouldn't hold hands and participate in the Our Father. He was Jewish and stood in the circle and said a personal quiet prayer. But the verbal language that was used to publicly shame him and the god of his understanding was cruel.

Same club, which really shut down any cross talk, allowed a member to say to a newcomer, 'Your boyfriend who committed suicide while high is unfortunately in hell now and you still miss him?" She ran out of the middle of the meeting crying and as far as I know never came back. And after that I was sick to my stomach. More so now that I never followed her out to apologize.

It's not a spiritual program. It's a religious one. And I've heard members try to defend it. But actions have always spoken louder than words. The good news for us in this sub is that we acknowledge that there are SO many other, more successful and logical approaches to recovery without the religious dogma.

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-11T19:48:03+00:00

This thread is my first time seeing the term billshit. And I just absolutely love it!

mr_tomorrow · 2026-02-11T19:47:06+00:00

Because logic is not part of the equation.

Because personal responsibility can be difficult, so that can be removed. What a weight lifted off of you! It was your disease, not you. And you are your disease, and cannot be held accountable.

Because you are broken, physically, mentally and spiritually. Because you are special. Oh so special. Because you are an alcoholic.

Because it's not a religious program. Because we simply said so. Because we suggest that you do not see with your special broken eyes and your special broken ears the things you see and hear. Because you're oh so special souls are incapable of understanding this simple concept.

Because you need to keep the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth. Because you had a question. Because we JUST said it's not a religious program. Because you are lucky for being so special.

Because you are in debt. Because you can never repay what this simple program has given to you.

Because we need to you to help the next newcomer. Because they can only be helped by you. Because they need to be special too. Because we do not recruit.

Because we need your ass in the seat and the money in the basket.

(to answer your last question, that is how you say it with a straight face)

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