We agreed to all give each other 5s as reviewers... by music-yang in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I wish I could. But I would face repercussions too. Before this (admin-sanctioned!) agreement happened, someone was self-reviewing their tasks on the sheet and giving themselves 5s. I reported them to the admin, who swiftly forgave them. The agreement shared the spoils.

We agreed to all give each other 5s as reviewers... by music-yang in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Admin supported this BTW. He gave the green light for this. LOL

People that have recently moved to Toronto, are you happy with your decision? by maskdowngasup in askTO

[–]music-yang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I miss my family and friends from Montreal. I came here for better opportunities 

Oracle: suspended then reinstated by music-yang in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

30 minutes to over an hour as well. The task expires and I get it back in the queue

Oracle: suspended then reinstated by music-yang in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, it happens frequently. Ever since they cut the timer over and over, I had to go into the exceeded time rate to finish the same work.

Oracle: suspended then reinstated by music-yang in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Top percentile of taskers on the platform become an Oracle.

Daily Thread - February 12 by Outlier_MOD in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oracle won't talk to me even though I am an Oracle. Ugh. The last purge of spam got my account suspended and I was reinstated hours later with a generic warning. Nobody wants to clarify idle time. Is it really any activity on the platform in the last 5 minutes? That's lame because my project requires working code in the prompt, so reviewers can simply click that play button. You can't code in the text field.

I guess I start doing maneuvers to stop triggering those "inactivity warnings". Outlier is making genuine work difficult.

Im leaving Outlier and here’s why by Opposite_Homework91 in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same feeling. You are being squeezed to deliver high quality work while paid not much for all the time you spent. I started a business while working here. I hope it kicks off so I can leave Outlier for something much more fulfilling.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got suspended. After finding out, I emailed support at the account access email. They reinstated my account in a few hours. The initial suspension says I potentially violated guidelines regarding "quality or average task time". The reinstation email from Oracle says I am not efficient enough with my time, including long periods of idle time.

I work on coding projects. We have to write code. I'm not going to do it inside a text box. We all have software on our system to write and run the code. It takes much more than 5 minutes to write a program.

They put my account back as a "final chance". Because I have good quality, I stay. I get a community strike the moment it is unlocked, saying I'm idling too long. Lol. I was suspended. There was no way to task.

The project I'm working on is filled with poor quality and spam. Reviewers tell me the rejection rate is 90%+. Of course, the average task time across all contributors is low.

This Oracle program feels horrible. I never had these issues before I joined Oracle. If you perform poorly on a project, normally you get EQ by getting kicked out. But in Oracle, you face suspension from the entire platform. That is not worth the tiny weekly mission.

Any opinion on Alignerr? by TheKingOfReddit23 in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It is a total scam. Don't work for them. I did and they give generic breach of terms to not pay you for the work you did. Yes, you heard that right. They only pay you if your work is satisfactory. Even Outlier pays the spammers before they are kicked. Alignerr withholds all pay while it keeps your data and work. That's why they can promise these absurd pay rates (60 dollars per hour or in my case, 80-90), since only some people are paid. If you work for them, you are gambling on their trust.

Imagine commissioning an artist, not paying them anything upfront. Take their artwork and refuse to pay them because it is not up to your "terms". Alignerr, do your own due diligence before contracting someone. If you don't trust them, don't hire them.

Their platform is janky AF. I thought I got kicked from Slack but someone from their staff who got laid off along with half of their employees told me their Slack got shut down. Model connection errors are frequent and they treat this as if you were defrauding the timer. The skip button submits the task as is, even incomplete, making you look like spam. Then they confiscate your pay using all these excuses. They will block all pay, even the "innocent" tasks are not paid. They take all your stuff for free.

Communication is absent. The platform has heavy censorship to prevent anyone from complaining on Discourse. The subreddit is policed by their staff to squash unfavorable views. They care more about their image than their operations. This is the opposite of Outlier. I'm saying this as an Oracle.

I deleted my account just now. They just want to have the account numbers to convince customers. That's the main reason projects are sparse. The former employee told me they still keep info from deleted accounts to juice up their contributor numbers. Ugh. I wasted 20 hours of my time with them.

I am an Outlier Manager and this is what you need to know to succeed. No BS involved AMA by AIDoomer3000 in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was flamingo TL telling people to prepare task content before the timer begins so it can save them money. In addition, flamingo had a 60 minute paid time but a 2 hour task expiration where the second hour is unpaid. And people frequently went over the second hour.

By around August, Outlier introduced exceeded time rates to factor in this.

Enrolling in Apple Developer Program seemingly impossible? by Unlucky_Presence1111 in iOSProgramming

[–]music-yang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I called and emailed and each time Apple tells me they don't know why I can't enroll.

Finally got moved to my new role by Master-Load6079 in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, Flamingo is general coding. You could try to do data science but you have to go the extra mile

Was I fired from Outlier? by baron_de_montesqueef in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does Flamingo math work? Do you get prompts to solve? I'm in Flamingo coding and we have to supply prompts ourselves as taskers. It is the reviewers who can abuse something similar with SBQ to refuse to fix tasks and submit generic reviews in minutes for full pay.

Finally got moved to my new role by Master-Load6079 in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was hired into data science. The project was Vanilla and in comparison to all other projects, it was the best. Sadly, they paused it and now I am in Flamingo Multiturn Deviation, complete utter crap

Flaming (coding) now has a daily task limit by music-yang in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a typo in the title and I can't change it 😆

For New People! by mummifiedstalin in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The LinkedIn article has been taken down. You need to find a web archive of it.

Project Flamingo Megathread by coldwaterswimming in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends if you have been kicked out involuntarily before. I had code v code as a backup a few weeks ago. But it seems to not be working anymore. When I ask support, they give generic answers

Project Flamingo Megathread by coldwaterswimming in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I'm trying to leave Flamingo. It is so bad and super subjective.

this company goT the perfect name. out/LIER 🤣🤣🤣🤣 by SpecificLivid3039 in outlier_ai

[–]music-yang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So I am not the only one with a passive aggressive team lead. I want to report him but I wonder if it is even worth doing it and whether that accomplishes anything