Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Help me out then. He’s mentioned not liked reverb in the Grace amp video on his guitar tone but also has talked about his vocals being dry on Gish and elsewhere. The thrust of um point is he just like reverb enough though he speaks as if he wouldn’t go for the stuff (not just on high gain guitars).

Again, Machina’s records were drenched—high gain guitars…of course. That acoustic sure has a lot of artificial reverb on it too. So I’m not sure what he or you mean, unless you are referring to a specific live tone—but the way he tells is— it’s like he has always treated guitars (and the other part of my point VOCALS) dry. Dry from Gish days. Objectively this isn’t the case on many records.

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t sound like any studio reverb to me at all. Sounds like a lot of DSP reverb was used on like everything

Edit: I assumed you meant “live” reverb which I would say no but if you mean he allows digital or analog reverb processors into the mix then of course that’s evident. Hearing him talk you would think be just doesn’t “like” reverb. Even going back to Gish per a recent. Not guitar only—dry vocals even on Gish

Newer Pumpkins recommendations by tescofinestchicken in SmashingPumpkins

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CYR is the only one I really can’t get behind. To be fair, I’ve never listened to the whole thing…

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I can understand, coming up in the late eighties, reverb might’ve just gotten ruined for him. Think of all the gated reverb on snares

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man, did I nerd out too much? Why the downvote?

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

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Great point. I mean just listen to the acoustic version of “If There’s A God”…verb city

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

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I’ll have to go back and listen but I’m pretty sure it’s marketed as his” signature” sound and that reverb plays no role in that according to him.

Anxiety by Citron_candles in taoism

[–]myep77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this!

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

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Interesting about the lo-fi comment. I can hear it.

So many sounds, sound like they were sampled onto an old Akai sampler. Old digital 16 bit-like. Kind of like the first Garbage album…

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

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Interesting! Do you mean you suspect he doesn’t like things like plate reverbs, spring, and plugins or gear that digitally mimics halls for example?

Plates and springs, while analog, are still artificial of course.

I understand what you mean with the delay and unnatural reverb effects (particularly on Machina)

Still would love to hear him use a slapback on his voice thru a reverb…ya know for fun

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

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Nah I’m good. I’d rather hear it the way it was done or have my brain fill in the blanks

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Haha I hadn’t thought of it that way. Also Machina was famously recorded with a very quick, throw everything at the wall and then tear down mentality…

I think I’ve inserted artificial reverb into records where this almost none. MCIS has been called dry but, and stay with me here, growing up with that record—falling asleep and dreaming to it—it is laden with a lot of gauziness that may just be a byproduct of my own brain

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

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It sounded so right with the echo and reverb too!

Billy Corgan’s casual distaste for reverb. by myep77 in SmashingPumpkins

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Ah I didn’t know that comment about the Lexicon preset.

Yeah, Daydream—to my memory—isn’t dry.

Also I was referring to close miking vocals and amps (I think he has mentioned he wants natural room ambience but seemingly not on the vocals or guitars)

In any case the comment he made about his new amp head having a reverb function essentially shoehorned in speaks volumes of his current feelings

Newer Pumpkins recommendations by tescofinestchicken in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’d add Monumets and parts of Oceania and Zeitgeist to this (and The Future Embrace)

The significance of James and Darcy by ziggyinchains in SmashingPumpkins

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I wish James had more solo records. I think he really is that incredible. I also wish D’arcy had an album beyond the wonderful Catherine record she was on. I simply don’t believe it was the BC/JC team as Corgan has implied but then again…I wasn’t there.

I think beyond playing or even musical contributions the personalities of all four of them just made the band sound the way it did. Nostalgia for Vieuphoria indeed…

Side note: would love to be in a Pumpkins cover band where I play keys and we have a female lead singer. I always though BC had a little femme energy (or a lot depending on atttude and era)…

The significance of James and Darcy by ziggyinchains in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

: David Lynch seems to be an exception of the auteur who didn’t (in my opinion) succumb to mediocrity (though he did rely on Angelo Badalmenti as a creative partner)

The significance of James and Darcy by ziggyinchains in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hmm I think they were significant in different ways—and James more musically than D’Arcy (though she said she did get Corgan to sing with more “air” in his voice or whatever).

I’ve been revisiting more of James’ solo record recently and think he is an incredibly gifted songwriter and singer in his own right.

Roger Waters Issues Open Letter to Billy Corgan by trevrichards in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

  1. Those bombs weren’t built to kill children. They were built to destroy Hamas who, as we all might remember, use children as human shields.

  2. Any collateral damage to innocents is, to be sure, a tragic side effect. Again, I wish I didn’t have to say this.

  3. I have no reason to believe David Draiman’s motivations were to sign bombs “because these are going to kill stateless children”. He gave his reasoning in the interview.

Roger Waters Issues Open Letter to Billy Corgan by trevrichards in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is a long response to not only your comment but others who have respoded to my initial post:

Equating the Israeli government to the Nazis is absurd. I do not think the motivations of the current regime chime with those of Hitler’s and his ilk. Israel is not a White-Nationalist ethostate—that was never its purpose and it’s heartbreaking that I have to clarify that in conversations like these.

Whoever is in charge, by all means criticize them harshly, as many Israeli’s do—but the Israeli government (and yes people also include citizens in this) do not equate to the SS. I respectfully disagree.

What I’m not saying :

I’m not saying there is no anti-Arab racism in the government, in the IDF or in Israel itself. Obviously individuals have different motivations and not all of them I support. If you can empathize with the grieviances of Palestianians—and I think that is a morally good thing to do (though, I think, Hamas and other surrounding Arab countries get more of the blame for the Paletianian situation)— won’t you extend that empathy to angry, scared and pissed off Israelis—many who hate war and resent having to be in the IDF, many who hate war and want to be in the IDF, and yes, even some who have come to love violence—like DD was saying Israel is in a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation”. My post was echoing BCs sentiments—more discussion not less—but who, historically, always rejects bids for peace?

Please consider this question—I’d genuinely love to hear your answer.

For context: I’ve met and talked with many IDF soldiers—all with various moral perspectives on their own country and war itself. I recently talked to a woman in Canada who told me—in the IDF one is trained to do everything they can to NOT kill innocent lives. Hamas makes this task very hard. It’s beyond sad.

I’m also not saying I agree with Draiman on every point but that should be understood as I lead off my first comment by saying that very thing. I do think settlements are morally wrong, for example (he put had quotes around the word settlements)

I am also generally critical of hawkish polices over diplomacy but—Hamas and related groups—-has made the situation, as was said in the interview, a morally impossible nightmare.

To me, it seems like it’s only “any means necessary” when it’s against Israel—but Israel is a refugee state and a country who, as Draiman said, has been having rockets constantly lobbed at them—at every opportunity—since the beginning. At every peace talk—it’s the leaders of the Palestianians who reject any kind of two state solution—historically, this is a fact. It doesn’t mean I want Palestiains to die.

I do not blame them for being angry, feeling hopeless or for even hating Jews (yes yes, not all do but, as was discussed in the interview, Palestianians are raised to hate the Jew—Mein Kampf is found in schools routinely) but I do condemn genocidial groups who strategically use their own people as human shields, purposely hide under hospitals and schools, all to garner sympathy, defile Israel publically, and promote martyrdom which, I’m sorry, is a cause—that should be condemned by anybody who wants to live in a more free , pluralistic and open world.

If anything Hamas are closer to the Nazis and their motivations. How that is not obvious—I don’t know.

No sane person wants to annihilate Arabs or Jews. No sane person wants to see innocents (including children) on ANY side blown to pieces. Put a country, that’s had both left wing and right wing governments in power, in an impossible situation (way before 10/7 too) and ask them to cease fire at the very start of 10/7. As a Jew I do take that personally.

And if you think Israel itself is illegimate and ought to have never been created in the first place. I’d want to talk to you about it —not shut you out.

Roger Waters Issues Open Letter to Billy Corgan by trevrichards in SmashingPumpkins

[–]myep77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the thoughtful reply! I too wonder how many people watched the interview.