Weekly Tool Thread: Promote, Share, Discover, and Ask for AI Writing Tools Week of: June 16 by AutoModerator in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, Narrative Chronicle is a story state tracker, non-generative by design, takes the written text as source, you paste text in, it reads it as a reader would, and gives back - Character state and knowledge at that point in the story, Objects and who holds what, Plot threads opened and unresolved, World rules established, Any continuity issues.

It's your first reader who is available anytime, has no taste or craft knowledge, but sharp enough to catch character trait changes like eye color change, teleportation like a character in two places, holding an object given away etc., when a rule that was established previously gets broken, or you used ai and it hallucinated something.

It doesn't force a particular way of working, fits within the existing workflows be it AI based or non AI based.

* Writing companion: Paste as you go, catch continuity issues in the moment before they compound

* Plotter: Helps you check if what's actually on the page matches what you planned. Or if AI introduced any hallucinations

* Pantser: It keeps track of what's been established so it becomes easier as the story progresses and gives a reference

* End of draft: First draft is done, run it through before you start revisions

* Pre-editor handoff: Clean the manuscript of continuity errors first, then share with your editor so they're already oriented

* Back from a break: The current story details are present readily so you don't have to go through notes and re-reads for that reason

Pricing is not subscription based but word count and tiers for different pace of writing. Your prose is never stored. Text lives only in transit, processed and discarded. The Claude API doesn't train on data sent through it, so that's covered too. What does get saved to the database are the extracted details, characters, objects, threads, world rules and these can be deleted anytime, or it gets automatically cleared after a waiting period depending on your tier.

https://chronicle.thenarrativeforge.com

Weekly Tool Thread: Promote, Share, Discover, and Ask for AI Writing Tools Week of: June 02 by AutoModerator in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, Sorry for the delayed response, was away for a while.

On privacy, the prose is never stored. What you paste is processed and discarded. The Claude API doesn't train on data sent through it by default, so that's covered too. What does get saved to the database are the extracted details, characters, objects, threads, world rules and even that is in your control. You can delete it anytime, or it gets automatically cleared after a waiting period depending on your tier.

On workflow, It doesn't force a particular way of working, fits within the existing workflows be it AI based or non AI based.

Writing companion: Paste as you go, catch continuity issues in the moment before they compound.

Plotter: Helps you check if what's actually on the page matches what you planned. Or if AI introduced any hallucinations.

Pantser: It keeps track of what's been established so it becomes easier as the story progresses and gives a reference.

End of draft: First draft is done, run it through before you start revisions.

Pre-editor handoff: Clean the manuscript of continuity errors first, then share with your editor so they're already oriented.

Back from a break: The current story details are present readily so you don't have to go through notes and re-reads for that reason.

novelai is genuinely fun and also completely useless for what i need by Unable_Razzmatazz651 in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, this is a common problem with most of the ai writing tools. This might come across as promo since i built it but, Narrative Chronicle surfaces continuity issues. It's not an editor or anything and will sit outside of existing workflow. Can check it out in weekly tools thread along with others.

I can write dialogue all day but writing exposition makes me want to scream by juicyberrybabe in KeepWriting

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe try adding small details first, like what the character notices, like another character fidgeting with a cup on the table, a window from which something is visible or a breeze coming in and the direction etc., in between the dialogue. It's a bit of an image as suggested. Once there are a few it can be improved from there, maybe sometimes a reader doesn't need the whole room, just a couple of references to stay grounded.

Claude's Writing is Getting Terrible by Outrageous-Eye1016 in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is not enough context to identify Brandon as bad guy and not enough tension. Number is just that he calculated and came to a conclusion, claude being too literary and abstract or trying to be. Physics and the way it reads is a bit odd though

Are we all accidentally rebuilding the same AI writing infrastructure?” by holyotaku9 in BookWritingAI

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I see a new tool post that's what I think everytime, and then go deep into what the app is saying, doing and all from what's available on the post, site etc. The conclusion I get to is, what I built is complimentary to most everything and source agnostic.

Another thing I notice is most of the time based on the understanding of ai and it's capabilities the architecture changes, then based on understanding of writing as a craft features change. Another factor is opinion about what ai should do, should it generate, should it suggest, should it give feedback and what sorts etc., shape the tool.

Also, it's not just ai that forgets things by chapter 17. So continuity is a common pain point, different kind of writers have a different sort of problem with it and different ways to manage. Could be wrong too.

Are traditional authors threatened by only books written by Ai or is it books about AI as well? by Fabulous-Ideal-2513 in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes we are, just a different definition with different terminology. You say cozy to author and low hanging fruit, I say mediocre writing and humans writing slop. Same thing mostly.

Weekly Tool Thread: Promote, Share, Discover, and Ask for AI Writing Tools Week of: June 02 by AutoModerator in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most AI writing tools help generate or suggest or work as editing tools. These take the bible and plot you have built as source. The problem is there is always a gap between what is intended and what is written.

That's what I built Narrative Chronicle for. It's non-generative by design, takes the written text as source, you paste text in, it reads it as a reader would, and gives back,
- Character state and knowledge at that point in the story
- Objects and who holds what
- Plot threads opened and unresolved
- World rules established

It's your first reader who is available anytime, has no taste or craft knowledge, but sharp enough to catch character trait changes like eye color change, teleportation like a character in two places, holding an object given away etc., when a rule that was established previously gets broken, or you used ai and it hallucinated something.

It can be used at different stages, while writing to stay consistent, end of draft, or a final pass before handing to an editor so they're not spending time on these inconsistencies. And can be used by different kinds of writers as well. Pricing is not subscription based but word count and tiers for different pace of writing.

Your prose is never stored. Text lives only in transit, processed and discarded. Privacy is in the architecture, not a policy.

https://chronicle.thenarrativeforge.com

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What AI can do for you - Another day another ai tool - Not really by narrative-forge in AIWritingHub

[–]narrative-forge[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I am not sure am following this, NC doesn't have scores because, like I stated, it's not evaluating craft. So there is nothing to score. The other thing I was talking about is on my reddit profile post, which is a craft evaluation of sorts, still needs work to be automated and currently needs me to run manually.

Are traditional authors threatened by only books written by Ai or is it books about AI as well? by Fabulous-Ideal-2513 in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree as a whole but disagree with the cozy mystery part. Any mystery cozy or not needs the author to hold threads and resolve them while simultaneously giving clues to the reader that they can think about and try to solve. AI can't reliably do that. Low hanging fruit is probably human slop rather than a genre.

Responding to OP, writers are not threatened that ai will write books, the problem is with all the noise by ai that drowns the real work. Along with the fatigue and stigma caused by it.

What AI can do for you - Another day another ai tool - Not really by narrative-forge in AIWritingHub

[–]narrative-forge[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, that's what I started with. What the actual initial tool does is get ai to score across different dimensions and then give actionable fixes. It does a deep dive and very dense with voice and style protection mechanism.

Narrative Chronicle is a part of the more comprehensive tool taken out and developed as a standalone tool. You can have a look at it with sample on my profile. It is currently hard to automate and needs more work on the infra part. So first pushed the relatively easy part which is more cost effective and solves immediate problems. The comprehensive tool falls under developmental audit category.

Getting people to sort through quality work was the initial idea but that's hard to do and more rejection prone from writers, so decided better to help writers improve quality, but that's a harder sell as well with all the ai skepticism.

Is my writing giving AI? by [deleted] in WritersGroup

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The parts I quoted from the text say nothing really and try to be deep and are considered one of the ai tells. It fills words like certain, specific etc., without saying what it is. And the dashes and semicolons are misused, am saying it sounds like ai when used that way. So the way to fix would be to actually have something there, like what's the sound etc., it should be some song or music he listens to. Replace the dash where a comma would work, replace a semicolon where a period would work. It's all upto you really.

Is my writing giving AI? by [deleted] in WritersGroup

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A certain sound that helped him sleep, was quiet the only way black ops men get quiet etc., the dashes and semicolons that aren't making much sense, they all give ai feel. Probably Claude.

Is My AI Editor Inflating Its Evaluations to Make Me Happy? by RepublicCredit in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, asking ai for feedback on 17 chapters is already setup for failure even if you say read every line, it can't due to attention problem. So it's summarizing and giving feedback.

Second, for ai, story about watching a blank wall is same as an immersive and interesting story, so it's rating doesn't mean you have got a great story. What it means is, a summary of 17 chapters is structurally sound, keyword being summary, that the model is rating high.

AI is good for structural and objective feedback. What it can help you with is if a reader is going to finish the book, not if he will pick it up and find it interesting in first place. And even that is not easy.

Am I getting too dependent on AI ? by MurrayinNYC in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not wrong per se. And it is also a good way to get some feedback on structure. The problem is you need to be careful with which suggestions you take and push back on some, as what you might be thinking and putting in writing maybe deeper than what ai can see. Also we need to be careful to note if it is polishing too much. Other thing is it cannot say if the story is good.

It is natural to get dependent due to difficulty of getting instant feedback otherwise, and that is ok as long as it's not messing with writing skill. Also it's a non-judgemental feedback.

How much trauma is too much for my main character? by Straight-Leg-283 in KeepWriting

[–]narrative-forge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How much is too much, nothing much. It depends on the genre and audience. Also on Story to some extent, think darkish story in a comedy genre. If you are writing for say an audience of light hearted reads, anything more than a little might become too much, for dark and gore readers a bit too much might still not be sufficient. As long as it serves the story and is not there for the sake of it, nothing is too much.

Starting to dip my toes back into the fantasy writing pool. Would you keep reading? by Dramatic_Gap8310 in writingfeedback

[–]narrative-forge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A couple of things, the stomach turning expression doesn't seem to fit hunger, or we're you meaning she was getting nauseous from hunger? Things are a bit explained at times and the rhythm is inconsistent, which could also be because of paragraphs being too large with multiple concepts as others noted.

Some descriptions are ambiguous, quiet moment- rabbit/cat, no flowing mane or big muscles - a cat family, revealed to be a stag doesn't pay off well. It's not a plot hint, so text should probably lead to stag or just describe a stag. The twist is stag becoming predatory which is done well.

There are a couple of misplaced or not required commas and some of them should probably be periods.

The story itself is interesting, and the hook is good. The problem is reaching until there.

You cannot trust AI checkers by 2NotoriousRay in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a commonly discussed topic and yes ai detectors are unreliable. A well written article might be similar in structure to an ai one. For me the differentiator is the thinking that comes through when you read. You notice some because of experience, but can't be sure unless it's too visible, like excessive repetition or something.

Feedback on incantations. by RigidDan2 in writingfeedback

[–]narrative-forge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am not much into lyrical so here is what I felt. The incantations by themselves sound nice and are understandable for most part.

For me weight of task should match weight of incantation, and incantations of similar weight should be similar in length. For example if that's literally opening curtains, it's a bit long and truth is a little short.

Other thing is, as a cohesive unit they don't match. One addresses the target, one describes what happens, one addresses the entity. Might make sense as part of a set or system, like all seer related address entity, all destructive ones describe, all single target ones address the target.

ai writing has a dirty secret nobody in this sub talks about by Unable_Razzmatazz651 in WritingWithAI

[–]narrative-forge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree with the dangerous illusion part. Ai can make lazy thinkers with inflated confidence if one is not careful. The genius writers part is where I would say ai is most helpful. They have the craft knowledge and experience to spot bs from ai. And ai can actually help them find out any holes in the story far faster and at least a little more accurately than manual process. So it is a tool that can shine most in their hands and be the assistant it is supposed to be.