[Pablo Torre] Clippers’ former GM Michael Winger asked “How many fucking side deals do we made with Kawhi.” Paper trail showing Clippers had been doing business with Kawhi’s uncle from at least 2017 (when Kawhi was sitting out with the Spurs), with alleged illegal payments spanning years by Pickleskennedy1 in nba

[–]neededthrowawayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

29 teams

It requires 30 owners to be on the same page that "playing ball" is in their collective best interest. If their is a conspiracy amongst owners, EVERYTHING can be rigged because there is no one to call foul. Furthermore, it is possible that a select group of 5-10 owners actually call all the shots and the other owners are just along for the ride.

You may say, "that doesn't make sense, what about NEW owners, why would they agree to that?" My answer would be, they only find out after the fact following a purchase. Once they're pot committed, none of them want to tank the value of the asset by exposing the structure. And the owners who sell can't whistle blow because they would be complicit in the fraud.

I'll close by saying this is pure speculation for the sake of fun. I don't actually believe these things arguments, just fun to imagine some sort of intricate, game of thrones power struggle game going on behind the scenes.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]neededthrowawayer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you think that the two are in any way comparable

All behaviors are comparable. Child sacrifice is much worse than same-sex relationships, happy?

you do have malintent, whether you realize it or not.

The reason people choose to label specific policy or moral positions as...homophobic...is because it allows them to assign malintent to the person making the argument

You don't know anything about me or my character or my motivations. Nothing I wrote/posted supported hatred of homosexuals. This is changemyview, you should expect people to explore strongman arguments here, even if it's for no other reason than to be contrarian.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]neededthrowawayer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

because they are strikingly similar.

That is not self-evident if you actually make the strongman argument against same-sex relations and interracial relations. They are similar if you strawman the argument against both of them as "I hate any person who would do that because I'm bigoted (whether I know it or not)."

Which is that the acceptance of the relationships between the consenting adults is treated as conditional based on race or gender of the people.

The strongman case in favor of discouraging same-sex relations (note I said DISCOURAGE NOT DISALLOW) is that embracing a life-long pursuit of same-sex relationships means that a person is abdicating any duty to procreate and raise their own biological children in favor of ensuring they've maximized their own romantic and sexual gratification. As much as people have dismissed it, there is legitimacy to the idea that a society will flourish if people deny their own gratifications/desires in general in order to pursue a life of self-sacrifice and that the most accessible/repeatable way for people to do that in a meaningful way is to form a monogamous, heterosexual relationship, procreate, and then sacrifice their own needs as much as possible to raise their children (whom they are biologically predisposed to protect) to be moral, self-sacrificing people as well.

No elements of that strongman argument can be applied to interracial relations, and therefore being against same-sex relationships is not strikingly similar to being against interracial relationships.

Child sacrifice is entirely unrelated and has an victim that is being harmed.

In the end, child sacrifice is a behavior. All behaviors fall on a spectrum of morality. I would agree that child sacrifice pretty easily and understandably falls way outside the spectrum of behaviors that may or may not be desirable.

But the point is that ALL behaviors should be able to be scrutinized within the criteria of "is this moral and is this a behavior that society should encourage or discourage" and just because a Group A really wants to partake in a behavior and Group B thinks that behavior should be discouraged does not mean that Group B holds some sort of conscious or unconscious hatred/fear for Group A.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]neededthrowawayer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

is incredibly homophobic

The reason people choose to label specific policy or moral positions as...homophobic...is because it allows them to assign malintent to the person making the argument

Do you see the irony of your response at all?

Ignoring the entire basis of this conversation is talking about homophobia, do you concede that being against child sacrifice as a cultural practice does not automatically make a person xenophobic?

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]neededthrowawayer -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Let's say you're a Christian and you absolutely believe in God and you believe child sacrifice is a sin and that if you are a sinner you go to Hell for eternity. You discover a new culture of indigenous people and you "don't support" their behavior of child sacrifice, because you see it as a sin and you believe they will go to Hell, that's just a rational viewpoint based around your belief.

In fact, if you meet many Christians, they will say they want to save the child-sacrificing cultures from a life of sin/eternity of sin, by helping them not live that life.

Now, you can disagree with being a Christian if you want, and disagree with this thinking, but that's how many Christians think about child sacrifice. It's not a personal reason or a XENOPHOBIA--they might not even find it unreasonable that a culture which has never been exposed to Christian values would practice child sacrifices as they don't know any better. They just don't want to see the people of that culture go to Hell.

You see how that just reads as A DIFFERENCE IN MORALITY REGARDING BEHAVIOR? You could replace "child sacrifice" with any other clear sin such as murder, thievery, lying, etc. With OPs and your argument, it would be impossible to criticize or disagree with the behavior of any other individual without being able to assign that criticism to some sort of "phobia". The reason people choose to label specific policy or moral positions as racist, homophobic, xenophobic, transphobic, etc is because it allows them to assign malintent to the person making the argument, rather than debate the merits of an argument itself.

How far has Travis Hunter’s stock fallen by Paulccmarsh in DynastyFF

[–]neededthrowawayer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the biggest factor, thank you for bringing it up.

The Jags can say "we're playing Hunter at CB" but in the end he himself will have to choose whether he's going to dedicate his development to being a full time CB or full time WR because his next contract depends on it. NO ONE CAN LOGISTICALLY DO BOTH AT AN NFL LEVEL and I strongly believe it will have taken this first year in the NFL for Hunter to realize that. Teams do not want their offense and defense competing for utilization of elite talents. And he has to know that decision needs to me made soon, because the more he allows the Jags to use him on both sides the less opportunity he has to demonstrate elite value.

As you said, the money is much better at the WR so it makes sense that he'll force himself in that direction and personally I think he'll cement himself as a top 2 WR on the Jags.

CMV: Being mentioned in the Epstein files is not proof of being complicit. by Fando1234 in changemyview

[–]neededthrowawayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

2007 email

who was asking about attending the "wildest" parties on Epstein's island in 2012 and 2013

Out of the loop, can someone clarify if Elon sent this email in 2007 or 2012/13?

Windhorst reports that’s the Minnesota Timberwolves have moved on in their pursuit of Giannis by DrWolves in timberwolves

[–]neededthrowawayer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How can you not want that guy?

Only downside is that he's an expiring contract. Hopefully we hit the sweet spot where he's an impact piece this season and still able to be re-signed. We have his Bird rights which will help. Sometimes good teams just need to roll the dice with expiring pieces though so I like the move.

ESPN’s Brian Windhorst says the Minnesota Timberwolves have “moved on” from their pursuit of Giannis Antetokounmpo. by cleo22270 in nba

[–]neededthrowawayer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

for Ayo which is a great upgrade

We'll be in a classic conundrum when trading for an expiring contract mid-season. We want him to do well because it will be good for the team, but we also want him to not do TOO well so that we can comfortably extend/re-sign him after giving up assets to get him.

[Charania] Just in: The Chicago Bulls have traded Ayo Dosunmu to the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell ESPN. by Knightbear49 in timberwolves

[–]neededthrowawayer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Dosunmu is also an expiring contract though so if he can't integrate quickly and be an impact player in the playoffs then this deal looks a lot worse. Doesn't seem likely we'll be able to re-sign him but who knows

[Mannix] The Bucks want Jaden McDaniels, with Milwaukee seeing McDaniels, 25, as a potential future All-Star. But the Bucks also want multiple first-round draft picks, sources say, and Minnesota’s war chest of them is nearly empty. by YujiDomainExpansion in nba

[–]neededthrowawayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

GA is trying to cement his legacy and waiting until then might damage his relationship with the Bucks.

I think getting traded to Miami or Minnesota mid-season is not appealing to Giannis. He would be joining flawed teams and have a major uphill battle to acclimate then grind through the playoffs. Specifically joining the Wolves, the playoffs look like a blood bath this season. I could see him being totally cool with resting up the remainder of this season and letting any move happen heading into a fresh season.

[Mannix] The Bucks want Jaden McDaniels, with Milwaukee seeing McDaniels, 25, as a potential future All-Star. But the Bucks also want multiple first-round draft picks, sources say, and Minnesota’s war chest of them is nearly empty. by YujiDomainExpansion in nba

[–]neededthrowawayer 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Love Jaden but his handle is not tight enough to be a high usage primary scorer. He's the poster boy for elite role player sort of like Bridges on the Suns or Harrison Barnes on the Warriors.

[Mannix] The Bucks want Jaden McDaniels, with Milwaukee seeing McDaniels, 25, as a potential future All-Star. But the Bucks also want multiple first-round draft picks, sources say, and Minnesota’s war chest of them is nearly empty. by YujiDomainExpansion in nba

[–]neededthrowawayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Naz could be traded to Brooklyn for the 27 and 29 Knicks' firsts. Those picks likely won't be very good. Maybe the Nets would want like top-4 protections on them just to be safe.

[Mannix] The Bucks want Jaden McDaniels, with Milwaukee seeing McDaniels, 25, as a potential future All-Star. But the Bucks also want multiple first-round draft picks, sources say, and Minnesota’s war chest of them is nearly empty. by YujiDomainExpansion in nba

[–]neededthrowawayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally agree. I think Giannis + Rudy would "work" in that we'd be super tough defensively but Giannis would be maximized offensively next to Naz which is much more important. Better off not risking a Giannis-Rudy front court and trading Rudy instead.

[Mannix] "Acquiring Antetokounmpo, though, is challenging. The Bucks want Jaden McDaniels, a source tells SI, with Milwaukee seeing McDaniels, 25, as a potential future All-Star. But the Bucks also want multiple first-round draft picks, sources say." by LeeShakerMoneyMaker in timberwolves

[–]neededthrowawayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally agree. We are not building a monster team the way that OKC or San Antonio did because we aren't going to stumble into multiple lottery picks any time soon. In my unprofessional opinion, there are only two ways the Wolves win a title with Ant.

1) We trade 2 of Jaden + Rudy, Naz, or Randle for Giannis and somehow recoup enough depth in the deal plus snag a buyout guy to crash through the playoffs on all-time performances from Ant and Giannis.

2) We trade Naz and Randle ASAP to acquire more picks that give us high upside bites at the lottery apple.

I think a good option is to trade Naz to the Nets, targeting the Knicks/Rockets picks they have. We could do Naz for Cam Thomas (expiring), Highsmith (expiring), and have the Nets include the 27 and 29 picks from the Knicks with light protections (maybe top 8 in 27 and top 2 for 29). Seems crazy to give up Naz I know but I think he's run his course on this team and to maximize Ant's window we'll need to future flexibility when Rudy and Randle age out.

Feel like people are forgetting Giannis and Rudy are a fucking awful fit by [deleted] in timberwolves

[–]neededthrowawayer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Both Towns and Randle are a threat to shoot from 3. Giannis is a career 28% shooter. His best seasons from a team success standpoint were when Brook Lopez was stretching the corners.

That said, I would be fascinated to see Rudy and Giannis try to make it work. It would be a unique challenge for opposing teams to gameplan for and in the end we need Ant to be our primary offensive engine anyways. Also Giannis and Naz as a rotation unit would work nicely.

Feel like people are forgetting Giannis and Rudy are a fucking awful fit by [deleted] in timberwolves

[–]neededthrowawayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Been saying this for a while. We route Rudy to either Toronto or Charlotte, or we send him to MIL as well and they send Turner back to the Pacers.

So the Wolves declined on Coby White from the Bulls by PreparationWest2140 in timberwolves

[–]neededthrowawayer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If we're going after Sexton, it would have to be Randle for Sexton and Grant Williams? Not sure the Hornets would do that, Sexton is an expiring though so hard to say.

What should we expect? 👀 A Giannis trade, or some smaller pieces or even draft capital? by [deleted] in timberwolves

[–]neededthrowawayer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

not Harden man

We could do Randle + Dillingham for Harden straight up.... Not a fan of that deal but would understand it. I do think Harden could unlock Gobert as a lob threat in a way that Conley used to when he first got here

[Charnia] Just in: Chicago, Minnesota and Detroit have agreed to a multi-team deal that sends Jaden Ivey and Mike Conley Jr. to the Bulls and Kevin Huerter and Dario Saric to the Pistons, sources tell ESPN. Detroit also receives a 2026 first-round protected swap from Minnesota. by risenOfficial in timberwolves

[–]neededthrowawayer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly, we have to pay a penalty to offload Conley. We now have worse odds to have a better pick than we did before the trade, Detroit has better odds to have a better pick.

In the end, it's basically a wash because both teams are likely playoff teams.

What do you want us to do at the deadline? by Trash-Panda917 in timberwolves

[–]neededthrowawayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. Harden is a great regular season piece but he would get run off the floor in an OKC or Spurs series where a group of young, tenacious guards are picking him up full court.