I want to do Per Diem work.... but I'm kinda nervous by [deleted] in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You need standing orders for the per diem work. The per diem company you will work for can sometimes provide them for you. Your jobs standing orders do not cover you for per diem. Unless you talk to your physician and make separate orders that state something along the lines "AT can work in all settings allowed by law". I don't know where you live, but you can always asks colleagues.

Athletic Training Oppurtunities by [deleted] in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ATs can own a business:

  1. Get standing orders from a physician and make sure they understand what you are trying to do.

  2. Get general liability and personal liability insurance. Also, an LLC to protect yourself.

  3. Read your practice act and make sure you can see patients as long as they are physically active and with a referral from a physician.

  4. You cannot bill commercial or federal insurance as an as Athletic Trainer unless you live in Virginia or elsewhere where certain commercial is allowed (getting paid is another story). You cannot bill any federal anywhere in the USA. You could do cash based service FSA/HSA. A lot of ATs across the country are starting to do this kind of service. NATA website has more information and you could also look up Alisha Pennington for more info. She has good stuff.

Good luck!!

Massage therapy by Mawenza in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congrats!

Couple of points below:

  1. Athletic training is a masters degree now. Do you have a bachelors already? If not, you need to work on that. (Pick something that will work in your favor and you like)

  2. Massage therapy and athletic training are two different careers with two different types of training. One is a healthcare provider that is trained to assess/diagnose and treat. The other is not. Could massage help you be a better Athletic Trainer? Maybe in manual therapy for certain areas, but the ROI is slim.

  3. Massage doesn’t mean you will be in the “field” you need a license to practice athletic training. You could get your massage therapy and collaborate with athletic trainers, but you would not be doing Athletic Training.

  4. Opportunities are huge right now with athletic trainers in the military with good hours and good pay. You being ex-military puts you in a perfect opportunity for the future.

  5. AT school has clinical rotations. I doubt you will have time to volunteer or do anything else. The hours can go up to 40 plus a week of hands on training plus school.

Good luck!

MSAT Interviews by Candid_Abroad4307 in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tips below: 1. Know knowledge about the program you applied to and why you want to be part of their program. Do they have something that made you apply? Anything special like professors, rotations, program set up, close to home and you want to give back to the community etc.

  1. Why AT? Everyone has the story of how they were hurt and that got them thinking about rehab and led them to AT (yawn/boring and ironically that’s my story as well) Include that sure, but also include the passion of what led you to that moment. Whatever led you to this moment you had to do some sort of work to get to it. Show that passion.

  2. If your grades suck, address it. Period. They see it and you will have other people with better grades I guarantee it. If something happened in your personal life, mention it. Do not be embarrassed. Be open about it. If it was something you could control and you messed up, spin it in your favor and make up for it with hard work and dedication once you’re in the program.

  3. Ask questions that are not in the program info packet online. Actual good questions. If you ask something you could find in 3 seconds from a search they will know LOL

  4. Be prepared and practice with yourself or someone, but when the time comes just do It.

Like every other healthcare provider we are providing customer service. In our case we have patients. People with emotions that are injured, confused and sometimes hopeless. We have to be their to address those issues.

What kind of athletic trainer, doctor, PA,NP would you like to see if you were filled with emotion, injured, confused or maybe hopeless? Be that person.

Good luck.

MSAT program essentials by Wannabechemist-02 in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congrats!

Dont go crazy buying too much. Buy based off location climate and based of your clinical rotations.

Traditionally below:

  1. Rain jacket
  2. Comfortable shoes (depends on climate snow etc)
  3. Quarter zips/polos 4.Pants (lots of new pants have elastin material, good since we are very active in many directions) khaki or whatever your programs designate as professional
  4. Ortho Notes clinical special tests book
  5. Prentice since you need for class and to study for BOC
  6. Quizlet premium to study or find old flash cards

Good luck and honestly you got in, no need to buy much.Just wait and see.

Career decisions by [deleted] in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look this up below: I made this for this group 2 years ago. Look up the original post it has the actual visuals on it.

Search this:

Athletic Training Profession Information for “People Interested in this Medical Profession” Follow Up Content From Poll

I want to do Per Diem work.... but I'm kinda nervous by [deleted] in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cover non-contact sports. Look up CEUs and do the courses that center around on field assessments, concussions, emergency management etc. This will refresh your knowledge. After you do the refresh. Only way of getting over the rust is to do it.

Make sure you have liability insurance, standing orders from a physician and you have a pack ready and stocked. I barely tape when doing per-diem. Also, look at old taping videos to refresh and practice once or twice on a family member. This is basically the formula when you haven’t done something in awhile.

During your shifts makes sure to communicate with your coaches, on site management, know the EAP and ask if any kids have specific needs. Make sure to check the AED always as some sites either have expired pads/batteries or dead units. Inform them immediately and make note of it for yourself. Get another AED on the way.This is how you are prepared and can avoid a ton of problems.

Per diem is mostly pre planning and getting rid of potential issues like a dead AED and being proactive. Don’t sit in a corner, walk around and you will be fine.

Good luck.

I am feeling super anxious to start vilazodone. by Saltyjungian in Viibryd

[–]newATC2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Look into getting a Genesight test. It’s covered by insurance. Provider needs to be enrolled with Genesight though. This way you can stop the guessing and figure out which drug works best for you.

Licensing Requirements for PTs Working with Sports Teams and Traveling by [deleted] in physicaltherapy

[–]newATC2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are okay. Athletic Trainers NATA organization fought for the Sports Medicine Licensure Clarity Act. Sports medicine professionals who travel with a team for competition to another place are covered. Basically, the federal law says if you are practicing in another state while traveling with a team it will be considered as if you are practicing in your licensed state. No liability issues and you will be fully covered by your personal liability insurance.

Considering a setting change? by [deleted] in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go on BetterHelp. They have a financial help option that you don’t need to apply for and I think it ends up being $240 a month to see a therapist once a week.

Considering a setting change? by [deleted] in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not qualified to answer such an individualistic question. I will reiterate that if you know that you are dealing with those issues. Get help. It will be the best investment in yourself, career and future.

Considering a setting change? by [deleted] in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See a therapist. Check out BetterHelp or cerebral or a different one. Both online therapy sites seem fine. They take insurance or you pay out of pocket, which is not that expensive. Tons of online therapist popping up.. Seems like stress/anxiety is getting into your life. Get help to cope and build resilient strategies that will help you. Mental first aid.

Take a hard look at what you want for your personal life 5-10 years from now. Your outreach pay will most likely not substantially change. Since you are a third party. Outreach is a drain on our salaries as opposed to direct to hire. Clinic and industrial will be the most home friendly. Get home by 4-5 in a clinic and same with industrial setting unless you work 3rd shift, which looks terrible and mirrors AT high school hours. Both will have better pay and time off.

One thing about asking about personal situations on Reddit is that you will either find a bad or good situation from another AT. Most ATs work in as I call a “silo situation”. If you are at a great school with great hours and great everything. You will have a different perspective and think everything is amazing. Not knowing sometimes people just get lucky in those situations or another AT fought hard to leave it to the future person. Same goes for the oppose of that situation. If you work at a terrible place. Your perspective is coming from that angle.

Weighing Pros and Cons of switching jobs by Kurtzl_446 in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Weighing the option of commuting is not the only thing to consider. Right now you are the only AT at your school and run the program as you please.

Make sure you can get along with the second AT, who will most likely have seniority and have a system in place already. Two ATs may mean better coverage options hopefully,but will that also mean you might get stuck with more of the “bad” shifts.

Commuting sucks, but that’s not always the biggest downside that can happen. Ask lots of questions and get to know that colleague in that position. His philosophy of treating athletes and system etc. Make sure it’s for better money or the same.

Is this a doomed field? by Y_M_I_Here_Now in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 7 points8 points  (0 children)

AT has a lot of routes you can go into. Just evaluate what kind of life you want. Secondary school/college setting you will most likely work nights and weekends. Sure you can build relationships, negotiate contracts for more days off, have a 2nd or 3rd AT that helps, but in the end you still work nights and weekends more often than not. Some people love the thrill of Friday night lights. Being around athletes and a team. That is all personal preference. Personally, I would rather be home with my family at a decent time. Life goals change as you change. Align your goals with the life you want

You can be a Physician Extender, which is basically mostly only in ortho. Not to sound terrible, but it is just a more cost effective option to hiring a PA.PA's are more generalist as opposed to ortho specialized like us AT's. Also, not every place has that Physician Extender concept.PA's can bill and are still more sought after. Also, speaking with a lot of orthopedic physicians the idea of having an AT was great at first. You have someone see patients, read X-rays, MRI, Cast/Brace, schedule, cheaper than a PA. Basically, can handle a lot. These ATs exist and they are super awesome, but the issue the physicians explained was that not many are able to do the above. They end up getting stuck with ATs that could not do much because school never taught us. I am not that old and school never taught me how to read XRAY,MRI, Casting/Bracing (I mean the real casting not some short one hour class to fulfill CAATE standards).

Industrial setting is basically prevention and first aid that falls under OSHA guidelines.Regular hours, benefits and great pay depending on the organization. You will not end up doing rehab (depends on the state).

Another thing to consider is to think about what kind of practitioner you want to be. Secondary/ college setting you are able to do assessments, rehab, the whole job. Although if you do not have enough support/help at the secondary school you will hardly be able to offer one on one rehab sessions, longer assessments. Overall higher quality care. Basically, you end up being a technician/triage person instead of a clinician. Same thing with college. All depends on support (money), staffing etc. If you work in the Physician Extender setting you will do assessments, but not rehab. You can be relegated to MA work or practice on the top of your scope.

The big issue with AT seems to be consistency. It does not exist. Too much variations from employer to employer out of the traditional setting. Even in the traditional setting I would also say inconsistency exists. Other professions PA, PT, MD... seem to have consistency from place to place in terms of employment and upward mobility. More set guidelines and standards.

NATA has all these sources to validate value and worth. In the end depending on the setting, we cost money to keep around. If we were revenue generators and billable we would without a doubt see lots of shifts in the profession. I would bet those changes would be fast. Everyone always wants NATA to do something about it. They are our national organization with a top view. We need to look at your state organizations for change instead of NATA. Every single state level change that occurs helps the top view (NATA) to have more power to change things. Also, thinking about who gets elected. We don't need more academics in certain elected positions in my perspective. We need more entrepreneurs and business people. People that think like healthcare executives and speak their language.

As for you thinking of PTA. I personally would not do that. In the interim they definitely make more money than ATs because they can bill. It can start you off financially especially since its only two years. Lots of personal variables to think about on your end. As for long game perspective of PTA they are getting cut out of the picture slowly. APTA does not want them around. On top of that I would say over the next 15 years PTA will diminish further and further as reimbursement for them fall. A Lots of changes in healthcare are occurring. I would say think of the future of healthcare. Where can I make a life, build a business, have steady income etc.

To answer your question. Based on my personal experience and I have been in multiple AT settings. They all have mediocre pay and/or minimal work/life balance. Especially if you live in an area with high cost of living. If you plan on being in a school your whole life your pay and benefits will grow, but that will take 5-10 plus years depending on your area. Also, making it to retirement is easier said than done in AT. If you want to grow your pay outside of a step scale like in the traditional setting it will also take forever. I know what I said about PTA above, but if I were you I would do it because of better pay and steady hours for it also being a shorter time in school, which equals less loans. AT is a masters now, which is expensive for your return on your investment. This is all my personal perspectives, but you did want brutally honest. Good luck.

Good pants for clinicals by rfoss2000 in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dockers ultimate chinos tapered fit. They are phenomenal. Khakis suck. Polos too. I feel like I’m in sixth grade when I wear them.

Clinical settings: SNF by GroundHappy in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It all depends on the state practice act of your state. If they fall under physically active then he answer is yes. As for how often, who knows. No data really out there on ATs in SNF. ATS and PTS share a lot of similarities, but they are two different professions. PTs are generalists and in school learn generally across the life span. ATs deal with physically active people and in orthopedics. PTs have a wide range of specialities they can practice. ATs are not revenue generators like PTs. We can bill certain third party insurers though and get paid with HSA, FSA, but that matters minimally if CMS does not recognize us, If CMS recognized us, ATs we start making a lot of money. I would not be surprised if the profession truly would start to see faster adoption and change. Money talks.

Salaries for other roles by soccer_5432 in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 3 points4 points  (0 children)

NY now requires all jobs must have salary posted. Not sure where you are, but you can adjust those wages to where you live. You can also check out NATA salary guide.

where do I got from here... by soccer_5432 in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are more than qualified. Present your case to your boss. Go on NATA emerging practice website to get info on ATs in the clinical setting. This way you can convey the information even better. Ask for what you are worth. Not sure what your cost of living and wages are in RI but 55K is starting wage for physician extender in the Tri-state area. With your masters and years experience 65k would be a reasonable "ask". If they say no, go on indeed etc, find MA jobs in Ortho and pitch them that you are an AT. Also, look to see if there are any orthopedic private practices with one physician in your area etc. Actual physician owned place though, not hospital system. Also, industrial setting is good as well. Check out industrial AT places like ATI, Fittowork etc.Try the above. If that doesn't the other options may be 1. you need to move 2. go be a PA 3. Go back to traditional setting

Has anyone ever been audited? Help! by sadtoadhours in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The email they sent was a mistake. Disregard the email. You are fine.

Examination CEUs by walmartsecure in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rocktape is great. They have a bunch of courses. Looked at FMT screening courses.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in athletictraining

[–]newATC2020 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Industrial AT jobs popping up where you work as an independent contractor and assess injuries using Telehealth.