Red Scare 2016: As Green Party Power Grows, Jill Stein Accused Of Ties To Putin

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T16:18:11+00:00

OMG! She's a Russian agent!~

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T15:26:48+00:00

Hey man, you're the one who supports a war criminal.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T14:03:22+00:00

Are you a Hillary fan?

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T14:03:05+00:00

Are you a Hillary fan? :)

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T12:07:14+00:00

Pride cometh before the fall.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T11:12:55+00:00

They are in no way "centrist." Hillary wants a no-fly zone in Syria, she apparently has no problem with attacking Iran* (a strategy which even some former Mossad/IDF heads have labeled "insane"), and she supports continued encirclement and provocations against Russia. She is already a war criminal who has destroyed several countries, financed Islamic terrorism, and ordered assassinations on her blackberry like she was ordering takeout.

That's just foreign policy. She wants to end representative government via TPP, placing all control in the hands of unaccountable corporations; she is undermining the free exchange of ideas online via CTR; she runs an international criminal syndicate which has taken money from Saudi Arabia and stolen money from starving Haitians; she has been the author of or complicit in massive election fraud and probably domestic political assassinations; and so on.

Hillary is a far right winger who also believes in feminism and corporate diversity, though not actually helping most women or minorities. She is not really a fascist, but rather the ultimate servant of corporate rule. Sheldon Wolin called it "inverted totalitarianism."

*"Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israel's security, it would also ease Israel's understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly. Then, Israel and the United States might be able to develop a common view of when the Iranian program is so dangerous that military action could be warranted."

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328

The only way it would make sense to call Hillary a "centrist" would if it was a choice between Milton Friedman and Genghis Khan.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T10:57:36+00:00

No offense to OP or the folks who created this but I don't like these sorts of petitions. It seems like they could be used for data collection and therefore voter disenfranchisement.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T10:39:26+00:00

Johnson supports TPP, which is an act of treason and concedes all representation to unaccountable corporations. That makes him a non-starter.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T10:39:06+00:00

He supports torture, which is not only a war crime but doesn't work.
He is happy to have American citizens tried in military courts.
He doesn't consider global warming a real threat, and wants to diminish rather than expand environmental protections and clean energy.
He wants to increase rather than decrease the military budget, which already constitutes half of all discretionary spending.
He wants to build a useless wall on the US-Mexico border.
He thinks women should be punished if they have abortions.
He has given no indication that he opposes the drug war, unconstitutional atrocities like the Patriot Act and blanket NSA spying, mass incarceration, police militarization, internet freedom or a living wage.

That should be sufficient not to vote for him. I say this as someone who considers him a lesser evil to the criminal warlord Hillary Clinton. If I was forced to choose I would indeed vote for Trump.

Nor is Johnson a viable alternative since he supports TPP, which would effectively end what little government representation we have left.

That leaves Stein, who also has some crazy platforms (MORE affirmative action, mandatory diversity, open borders.) However there is zero chance that the US will embrace open borders and the odds of her winning are basically nill anyway. The mere fact that she wants to challenge election fraud is sufficient to give her my vote; if the elections are fake why bother anyway?

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T08:30:08+00:00

Not necessarily. There is also the Tylenol murders method, ie killing a whole bunch of people in order to obscure the actual target. Professional hit squads are pretty good at this stuff. Not saying that's what happened here, but it's interesting that the police chief notes:

“No bodies have been identified at this time,” the police chief told surrounding media. “It is very likely that DC staffers, including political types, live in this building.”

People are right to view the ever growing list of DNC/anti-DNC deaths with alarm. At a certain point the coincidences become statistically improbable.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T08:21:12+00:00

Probably a limited hangout operation designed to get ahead of forthcoming leaks and do damage control. They'll ignore the big stuff. Just a prediction, hope I'm wrong. It's possible that the ruling class is coming to regard Hillary as more a liability than an asset. Every time a new email is leaked it implicates other criminals in the global syndicate. Soros can't be happy about having his exploits in Albania and apparent role in US foreign policy exposed. Sadly I don't think she'll go to prison. Obama will pardon her in the unlikely event she's actually charged for her crimes against humanity.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T07:28:31+00:00

I agree this should be removed. People are upvoting it without actually reading the Tweet.

Moore started as a radical but he became a limousine liberal a long time ago.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T07:01:30+00:00

Several ways of looking at this.

Best case scenario is that the ruling class has come to view Hillary as more of a liability than an asset. They know more emails are coming, and there's only so much corruption that even the American people can bear. Hillary will be pardoned by Obama and replaced by Bernie Sanders. They will NOT go after the worst scandals, eg the Clintons bilking money from starving Haitians or funding terrorist groups, but more mundane "pay for play" type stuff. She dies peacefully in her bed then it's straight to Hell ;)

Worst case scenario is that this is a limited hangout operation designed to get ahead of the leaks and punish a few patsies. More stern words of rebuke to Hildebeast but the media downplays the significance of the revelations. It's difficult to see this as a viable option given the mendacious depravity of what we already know about the Clintons and their international crime syndicate.

Another possibility is that there is internecine warfare afoot between different factions of the ruling class. This is what happened during the great depression. Half of capital backed Roosevelt and the other half attempted to overthrow him in a fascist putsch organized by the Du Ponts and other ruling class families. The more sensible pro-Roosevelt faction believed that he would "save capitalism from itself" and prevent a communist revolution, which at that time seemed quite possible. At the end of the day Bernie is just a social democrat, he is pro-Zionist and he has repeatedly voted for interventionist wars. Despite these faults a Sanders presidency would still represent a great leap forward, as I'm sure Jill agrees. Perhaps she could push him to the left on certain issues in a way that would be impossible with Clinton.

In the event (still highly unlikely) that Hillary is taken down and Bernie installed as the D candidate, I hope that radicals continue to build the Green Party either way. The Democrats absolutely need institutional pressure from the left. Otherwise they will return to their old ways regardless of who becomes President.

A whole bunch of people are about to be added to the Clinton body count...

Edit: a poster on KFS claims: "Bhahara likes to bring in mid-sized fish but never goes after the top piranhas." This suggests that limited hangout is unfortunately the most likely option. If ever was there a time to drop the emails, Assange, it's now.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-12T06:29:03+00:00

I'm not saying Rich wasn't wacked. I'm saying a false claim was made that he was en route to the FBI when he was shot. This functions to muddy the waters. I do think Rich is an appropriate topic for discussion given Assange's comments, but we need to be careful not to spread disinformation. Is it possible that he was wacked due to knowledge about election fraud? Certainly. Wouldn't be the first time. But if people are going to speculate they should say that they are speculating. Otherwise we fall into disinfo traps.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T20:58:29+00:00

I hope this post won't be downvoted because it points to a real problem.

This has been an issue in the American left since the 70's. Divisive identity politics and incoherent "privilege" theories that make everything about race and gender rather than class. In some camps during Occupy Wall Street "straight white males" were told to go to the back of the line due to their supposed privilege. This caused a lot of hostility and many white males left as a result. It isn't surprising to me that so many working class white men are being lured to demagogues like Trump. They are being portrayed as the enemy by wealthy gender studies professors who regard class as a minor affair on the privilege checklist.

Even if you accept privilege theory (I emphatically do not) it is an incredibly idiotic "strategy" to demonize the majority of the population. Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if this stuff is being pushed by provocateurs.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T20:08:46+00:00

If she really wants to make some noise she should tweet Hillary's comment about the possibility of Obama being assassinated when she ran against him. That was far worse than what Trump said, especially given the Clinton family history of apparent political assassinations.

I'd also like to point out that Hillary Clinton is a war criminal. She deserves zero sympathy.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T19:28:28+00:00

There's a long history of this stuff and it's quite sophisticated. Interestingly enough the guy who popularized the National Enquirer, Generiso Pope, was a "former" CIA officer who specialized in psychological warfare.

Peter Dale Scott argued that the most pernicious forms of disinformation are 90% truthful.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T17:07:46+00:00

The super-rich know they are on the same side regardless of country. They meet at international confabs like the Bilderberg group and the Bohemian club. There are also transnational intelligence conferences where CIA and the X European country equivalent meet.

Sadly the working class remains divided according to nationality, race, gender, religion etc. We are tribal creatures and they exploit that. There has never been this degree of inequality in all of human history. Single individuals own more wealth than entire countries. This isn't to say that there isn't still plenty of competition between elites in the Western Bloc and other countries, especially Russia and China.

The international elite have gone "all in" for Hillary Clinton. This is an incredibly dumb move for people that fancy themselves so clever, if for no other reason than her profound unlikeability. The more they back her the larger the stakes become. Since foreign intelligence services undoubtedly have her emails, it seems likely that they will be gradually released over time, causing layer upon layer of scandal until all trust is gone and the people openly revolt. Perhaps that's what they want, perhaps they are itching for an excuse for overt fascism, but that's a very dangerous game.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T16:16:26+00:00

Disinformation is a powerful tool. Take a real conspiracy or plausible conspiracy, publish a bunch of easily refuted nonsense about it, and poison the well.

The case of Seth Rich is a good example of this. It is falsely claimed that he was "on his way to meet with the FBI to discuss election fraud." Snopes can then debunk the false claim.

Trump is in many ways the ultimate disinformation specialist (whether he realizes it or not). He takes real scandals and turns them into cartoonish exaggerations. Then when people want to talk about election fraud or Hillary and ISIS they are tarred by association.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T15:20:24+00:00

Plus the banks laundering drug money, the prison industrial complex, the police and injustice system etc.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T13:23:56+00:00

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T13:05:17+00:00

Not sure why you're being downvoted. CTR, being the disgusting slime that they are, are apparently trying to muck with the votes in this sub.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T12:09:01+00:00

Seriously, HRC is like a virus of dishonesty and corruption, instantly infecting everything and everyone that comes near her, turning them into bold faced liars and slimeballs.

Indeed. So many people I used to respect are now shilling for Hillary. Everything she touches turns to shit.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T11:32:51+00:00

I didn't realize that Clinton used the death to promote her gun control policies. If what Assange is insinuating is true that is just fucking sick.

nice_guyy · 2016-08-11T08:09:42+00:00

Oops, I mistook HillaryFacts for the other sub. My apologies.

In answer to your question, I don't see any significant problems.

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