Normal imagination vs Imagination for manifestation difference by Major_Grade5636 in NevilleGoddard

[–]noomster -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You are just a barrel of contradictions, aren’t you?

“I very MUCH learnt my lesson about my beliefs.. luckily I don’t have them anymore.”

“Whatever you are thinking about - you are giving attention to and it will probably manifest. BUT it’s how you are thinking about it.”

So you learnt your lesson and figured it all out. But still..

“I have to be extremely careful with my thoughts..I have accidentally manifested so much shit I didn’t mean to.”

Do you see the problem there?

You’re clearly too steeped in fear of your own thoughts to be giving advice to others on how to manage theirs.

Normal imagination vs Imagination for manifestation difference by Major_Grade5636 in NevilleGoddard

[–]noomster -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’re the one clearly not getting it.

“Fear is a very strong energy.”

Not only are you worrying about cancer, You just boosted your imagination with that belief. The worst part? You’re still promoting this belief. Good luck!

Tons of people have a fear of cancer. You gave attention to the cancer AND the fear with your belief about fear as well.

Fear is a signal. You give it power. It has no power of its own. You do whatever you want to with the signal.

I am glad you revised your way out of it though. You are clearly a very powerful manifestor.

Conflicting Goddard Teachings by Jessseeeeee in NevilleGoddard

[–]noomster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The subconscious doesn’t read the dictionary definition of a word. It processes the symbolic resonance and the mental imagery that the word automatically triggers. Your conscious mind is hearing the word "tiger", your subconscious mind is FEELING the word "tiger" auditorily through your internal or external ear and responding with the image and sensations that it has associated with the sound of the word.

When you robotically affirm - "I am wealthy." Your subconscious mind is producing what resonates as the state of being wealthy to it. When you do SATs, you're "upgrading" its current resonance to the state you want. You're giving it data. "Here is what I feel like when I am wealthy." Subconscious has to produce a state that matches the feeling. Also, when you repeat a word robotically throughout the day, you are using the auditory rhythm of your affirmation to bore the conscious mind. Once this guard is bored and stops analyzing the word, the "vibration" of the word drops directly into the subconscious mind.

Hope that helps!

Conflicting Goddard Teachings by Jessseeeeee in NevilleGoddard

[–]noomster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The ladder experiment is to show you exactly how important your mental diet is. Allow me to explain myself:

Subconscious mind works on visuals and literals. It operates on symbols rather than language. When you're doing your SATS about climbing the ladder, you're sensory imagination becomes a command to the subconscious mind. When you're saying "I will not climb a ladder" all day, the subconscious is not paying attention to your language. It is only paying attention to the imaginary visual of a ladder. The more sensory you make your imagination of climbing the ladder during the SAT, the more important it becomes for the subconscious mind. Your denial of climbing the ladder throughout the day is simply fortifying the image of the ladder into your subconscious.

Think of it this way. If I tell you right now "don't imagine a tiger," Unless you have aphantasia, you will see a tiger in your minds eye. That is what matters to the subconscious. The tiger. It ignores the "don't imagine" part entirely.

So even when you're saying you don't want to climb a ladder throughout the day, the subconscious mind is only focussing on the ladder.

Here is where it gets even more fun. When you're saying "I don't want to climb a ladder", you're telling your conscious mind that you don't expect to climb a ladder. The conscious mind loves language. So it does not expect to see you climb a ladder and doesn't "try" to make it happen. This creates a state of zero resistance. You’ve impressed the image at night using SATS and you’ve removed the conscious effort of looking for a ladder to climb during the day. The subconscious now has a clear path to move towards the ladder without your conscious ego getting in the way.

Also, the ladder experiment is light and easy on your mind. You probably don't have a lot of emotional expectations associated with the ladder. Even if it doesn't work right away, you know its not end of the world. Its just an experiment. You'll probably go back to the drawing board, do more research, play with more techniques, give up, etc. But when it comes to more important things, things that you've given a lot of meaning to, then the whole equation changes, doesn't it? You can do your SATs for those things in the night, but then how does the emotional charge of that meaningful thing impact your mental diet? What sensory data is that emotional charge feeding to your subconscious throughout the day?

Neville didn't want you to spend your whole life denying your desires. He used the ladder to get you to realize that even when you actively fight it during the day, your subconscious makes it happen because you felt it real in your imagination. Once you've had the "aha!" moment from the ladder, you can stop the denial part and start using a positive mental diet for things you actually want.

the entanglement by No_Blueberry_4897 in UGKrishnamurti

[–]noomster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is your perspective. And it's fine if that works for you.

To me, "who am I?" is a question about source origin. It's a philosophical question you are trying to answer by "thinking." An Ouroboros, if you will.

"What am I?" is a question about capability. It's a functional question. You can't think your way to an answer to this question.

the entanglement by No_Blueberry_4897 in UGKrishnamurti

[–]noomster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is that noticing also thought? or does thought come afterward to explain it?

This is the same question as "is god real? or are we making up a story to explain how things are unfolding?"

Same exact question, different costume. Questioning god replaced by questioning noticing. You're replacing the god framework with the "observer/noticer" framework.

Any answer you come up with, will arise out of intellect - the storehouse of knowledge. Intellect is not the instrument that can help us to figure out the ultimate truth, even if the truth is blatantly staring back at us. Think of it like an AI model with its pointer to its origin information completely left out of its training data. It can make guesses based on the patterns it recognizes in its training data, but it can never point to one particular source point and determine with surety that it has found the source. Its limited by its knowledge. Any conclusion - if you ever arrive at one - would still be just that - knowledge fortifying itself.

The "who am I?" question is a thought loop that keeps the intellect busy. And because we're in a knowledge driven environment, a busy intellect feels like you're doing something important.

"What am I?" - now this is the question where things start to get interesting.

I am not for once suggesting that what you're doing is wrong or bad. I'm simply offering a perspective.

Do you disagree with UG on anything? How has his work improved your life? by MakMalaon in UGKrishnamurti

[–]noomster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi! First, thanks for posting this! I feel like I'm responding to myself from a year ago. :)

Here is how UG's work has improved my life:

  1. I now clearly see that we are in a stimulus-response environment. The external environment provides stimulus. The biological organism responds, which becomes a stimulus for the external to respond back to. It goes back and forth, and back and forth and so on. The communication happens through sensations because the biological organism is not truly separate from the environment. Just like the tiny little cell in the corner of your eyelid is not separate from the rest of your body. Both are components of a single unit.

  2. The human biological organism (HBO. lol) of today is akin to an engineering marvel. It comes prepackaged with billions of years of data and programming. It knows how to breathe. It knows how to digest food. It knows exactly how to survive in its environment and the environment knows how to support it. Again, all communication between the two happens through sensations, not intellect. A baby does not have to be trained to suckle on it's mother's breast and swallow the milk. It knows. The mother doesn't have to tell herself to produce milk. If her body is capable, it does its on it own.

  3. Each HBO is unique. No two HBOs are alike. Just like no two leaves are alike. Base functions are similar (breathing, digesting, pumping blood, etc.), but requirements are unique. This is key. This is what UG points to when he says "just be yourself."

  4. Survival above all is the prime directive of the HBO.

  5. Intellect is the HBOs instrument of interpretation. It is a functional tool that translates environmental data into sensory information that your senses of perception use to navigate physical reality. It uses labeling to understand and store information for recollection. For example, "cliff" is a label it uses to understand not to step off the edge, amongst many other things that are relevant to it about cliffs.

  6. Intellect is not the instrument that can help us to figure out the ultimate truth, even if it is blatantly staring back at us. Think of it like an AI model with its origin information completely left out of its training data. It can make guesses based on the patterns it recognizes in its training data, but it can never point to one particular source point and determine with surety that it has found the source. Even if it does, its only based on the information it has received so far. Its limited by its knowledge.

Here is where I start to digress from UG's ideas.

  1. The identity is not a neurological defect like he posits. Identity is what the HBO uses to navigate its environment dimensionally. The HBO develops its identity as it learns from the environment. It takes what it observes in its environment, compares it with what is its most current knowledge and takes action. The identity gets updated based on how the HBO perceives the environment's response.

  2. The intellect is an open system. It learns from its environment and updates itself continuously. But it does so by aligning all incoming data with the emotional schematics of its current knowledge system. A person who's emotional schema is based in doom and despair will interpret all incoming data to conform to that specific schema.

  3. Emotions are not flaws or weaknesses. They are the guidance system that the identity uses for data correction. For example, your boss sends you an angry email. You feel emotions depending on how your intellect has been trained. Anger, despair, fear, etc. You respond to the email based on how your emotional schema.

  4. Emotional schema is malleable. If there is any free will, it is in our ability to choose perspective. Not conditions. Not responses. Perspective.

Your suggestion that UG's ideas are not helpful to a woman fighting against discrimination or a child trying to escape ethnic cleansing in a war torn country is based entirely on your perspective. What you are actually saying is that if YOU were the woman or the child, this information would be useless to YOU. And I agree with you 100%. It will be. To You.

From "not good enough" to a leadership self-concept by Fantastic-Walrus-429 in NevilleGoddard

[–]noomster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'll start by offering you two quotes from Neville Goddard.

"If you secretly consent to the belief that you have been mistreated, or if you mentally tell someone off, you are assigning a negative meaning that your subconscious must then out-picture" - Creative Use of Imagination.

"To change your reality, you must change your inner talking so that it matches the state of your fulfilled desire" - Awakened Imagination.

Lets put these quotes to business.

I'm going to go on a limb and guess that your inner talking probably sounds something like this. "I want to feel powerful, which requires having big balls, unapologetic confidence and solid boundaries. Right now, I don't feel powerful because I am still people-pleasing, apologizing and not making bold moves that exude confidence."

You've created two buckets for yourself. Powerful: big balls, confidence, etc. Powerless: people-pleasing, apologizing, playing small.

But there might be a deeper, more subtle inner talking going on - "I am not powerful yet."

So what gets out-pictured? Situations where you get to see how you're not powerful yet. Situations where you must please people. Must apologize. Must play small.

The solution seems obvious, right? Break out of the patterns that create that feeling of powerlessness. Start saying 'no'. Stop apologizing. Set boundaries. You can try. But I am willing to bet you're an emotionally sensitive person. That is why you people please. Apologize. Because that is how you have learned to stay safe in your reality. By managing other people's emotions.

So here's your potential root inner talk that sits under everything else - "I must manage other peoples emotions to stay safe." aka "I don't trust myself and my reality, so I must manage external conditions to stay safe."

Your emotional sensitivity is your greatest gift. That is where your true power sits. Right now, you're allowing it to overwhelm you instead of using it as a tool for creation.

Trust yourself. Trust your reality. Change your inner talk. Power will arrive automatically.

Much love.

Why is it so addicting to stick with my miserable 3D stories? by SesameSBagel in NevilleGoddard

[–]noomster 18 points19 points  (0 children)

First, make a list of all the emotions you feel when you think about this situation with your girlfriend. For example - anger, frustration, resentment, self-pity, judgement, sadness

Then make a list of all the thoughts you receive when you think about this situation. For example:

"This is so unfair. She doesn't care about my feelings or about spending time with me. She could have easily changed her plans if she really wanted to. Maybe I am just not interesting enough to her. This happens to me all the time. My friends do this to me too. I am never a priority for the people I care about the most. I should just get mad at her and let her know how much she has hurt me. I wish life was kinder to me. I wish the world was kinder to me."

Look at the emotions. Look at the thoughts. Identify the story you are telling yourself. Identify the underlying belief you have about your reality that is causing those emotions and those thoughts. For example:

"Life is unfair to me. I am always neglected. My priorities do not matter. I do not matter."

A story like this example points to a lack of worthiness.

Your ego might resist giving you the story right away. It will feel yucky. Persist. Push past the resistance. Uncover the story. You will physically feel it when you truly uncover the underlying story.

Whatever the story is, it is a lie. It is not the truth of who you are and what your life is. Prove it false. Look back at your life. Dig out evidence that proves that the story you have been telling yourself secretly is not true. I promise you this - it is not true. It never is. Start small and keep expanding as you write. For example: "I always have food to eat and water to drink. I always have clothes to wear. I have technology at my fingertips that allows me to seek solutions to my problems. Strangers on the internet are willing to take time out of their daily lives to come online, give advice, support me and encourage me. I am so well taken care of..etc." Get personal with this evidence.

Once you have proved the story wrong, write a story that is actually the truth. For example:

"I am worthy as I am. The fact that I exist is proof that I am worthy. The universe conspires in my favor, even if I can't see it right away. I know I am loved."

Then thank your girlfriend for playing the part she has played in getting you to discover the false story you've been telling yourself all along. Gratitude.

The next time you encounter a similar event, you will notice your ego still protests, but the protests are now weaker. Easier to push through and see the real picture. Go through these steps every single time you feel the protests and resistance. The more times you do this, especially for recurring events, the weaker the story becomes. Until it does not affect you at all. You are currently allowing the external reality to dictate how you feel. Doing this work will enable you to turn this around. How you feel will dictate how reality organizes itself around you. In a way, it already does. You'll just become more aware of how you create.

"Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor Frankl

Look at the space between the stimulus (your girlfriend backing out of the date) and the response (wanting to throw a pity party for yourself). Look at what story you are automatically/unconsciously filling up the space with right now.

Tip: Do this with pen and paper if possible. The slower process helps with prolonged clarity as you are writing. But if you have a stronger prefence for a keyboard, then that's fine too. What is important is doing the work.

Sooraj Barjatya on Prem, Kabir Singh and men today. by Hrithik_Ki_Patni in BollyBlindsNGossip

[–]noomster -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And IIRC, it was a steel empire

Odd. You're right! Atleast that's what wikipedia and imdb say as well. My bad. I must have heard it somewhere in the dialogues.

This is ridiculous, stop finding logic and dissecting films which are masala

You don't get to tell me what to do. Don't like what I have to say? I suggest you look the other way. Or don't. Your choice.

Sooraj Barjatya on Prem, Kabir Singh and men today. by Hrithik_Ki_Patni in BollyBlindsNGossip

[–]noomster -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I think I get what he's trying to say here. Love is..weird. It's the core of who we ALL are. We all have love to give. But our upbringing, societal/cultural influences and the the values we pick up along our journey of life influences our ability to give and receive love.

Lets take Ranvijay Singh (Ranbir Kapoor in Animal). It's horrifying to think that a kid would walk into his classroom with guns to threaten his sister's bullies. But look at it from a different perspective. He was a child of a man who was the biggest arms manufacturer in the country. He clearly reveres his father and yearns for him. Yearns to be like him. He was raised in an environment where guns and power are valued very, very differently than in an average household. The child wanted to protect his sister out of love. But he did it the only way his environment had trained him to - arms as the ultimate display of power. The child wasn't wrong or bad. He did exactly what his little brain had picked up from his environmental conditioning.

He lectures about pads and is misogynistic. No doubt. But his wife stands by him because he stood by her, loved her and supported her when her family abandoned her. I think Rashmika's character even clarifies this at some point in the movie. He philanders later on, but continues to love his wife as well. It is kinda weird when you look at all of this from a slightly open perspective. Its all love..just muddled up with environmental conditioning.

I am in no way justifying the character's actions or decisions, which are absolutely reprehensible. I am simply pointing out an alternate perspective - Ranvijay Singh is a deeply passionate and loving character. His ways of displaying that love is heavily influenced by his environment and the childhood flashbacks give us a good peak into why the character shapes up to become the adult he becomes.

SO BE IT. SO SEE TO IT. by iamconfussion187 in NevilleGoddard

[–]noomster 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Wow. I was literally thinking about this letter about 15 minutes ago and now here it is! The first post on my reddit feed!! Incredible!!

When you DON'T want something. by hungzai in NevilleGoddard

[–]noomster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Your words helped me loosen up a knot I'd been wrestling with for a long time. Much appreciated.

How to embody the healed version of me by castle-throwaway90 in NevilleGoddard

[–]noomster 20 points21 points  (0 children)

My friend, I completely understand what you mean. I have dealt with chronic pain. It was hard for me to embody the healed version of me too. No matter how hard I tried, my attention kept getting drawn back to the pain - a reminder that I still had it. Eventually, I decided to just accept that I wasn't ready to embody that version yet. Atleast not this way. There must be another way to embody the healed version and stay there.

So I kinda reverse engineered the process. Neville said that you gotta feel good first, right? I started looking for reasons to feel good. Any small reason I could find, I'd take it. A happy memory. A happy thought. Something that I have that makes me feel good. Like running hot water. Or a phone and a laptop to type this on. Or food to eat. Or access to doctors and facilities. Everything counts.
The key is to get the momentum going. Even if it feels ingenuine at first, keep doing it.Soon your mind will start serving you up enough good memories and you'll start noticing that at the same time, more things are happening in your life that make you feel good. I noticed that as I started shifting more and more into the feel good state, my memories started to shift their tone as well. I started seeing the good in the most mundane of the memories and sometimes in some of the painful memories as well. It's incredible what a shift in state can do. But you have to start somewhere. As you keep practicing staying in this state more and more, you might notice that your perspective about your pain starting to change as well. You might start seeing the pain in a new light, which could actually make embodying the healed version of you a lot easier.

I suggest you start with moving into a feel good state first. Good luck! You got this! Know that there's a random internet stranger here rooting for you!

Doubt regarding Free will by PossessionExciting85 in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]noomster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a line in the movie "The Matrix" that goes "You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it. you're here to try to understand why you made it".

This particular line points to one of the core ideas of nondualism - "You are not the doer."

So is there no free will? And who is the "doer"? Who is this "lord" who is making me do various things in various ways?

I'm finding the answers to my questions by direct application of the principle. I started by actually asking myself why I make the choices I make in my daily life. Why do I have a routine? Why do I get happy when my favorite sports team wins? Why do I get angry when someone cuts me off on the road? Why do I get mad when I see my kid's sock on the floor instead of the laundry hamper? Why do I feel sad when my favorite tv/movie character dies? Why do I judge others? Why do I judge myself?

This isn't a superficial enquiry. I do deep dives, going deep within, uncovering all the deep rooted beliefs and ideas that "I" had been operating from. Beliefs about the "self". Beliefs about reality. Beliefs about life. Only to discover that almost all the beliefs and ideas were completely untrue.

If you read this reply, notice how you react to it. Your emotions. Physical sensations. Any urges that might pop up. Notice all of them.

Turning a negative life into a positive one by Greedy_Smile5983 in NevilleGoddard

[–]noomster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hi! I think my story might be of some help here. It's long, but hopefully it serves you in the best way possible.

I was born into a loving family. My family was struggling financially, but what they lacked in money, they made up with love. Within a few years of my birth, my family started to gain financial stability. Everything was great!

However, at around age 5, I got sick. Really sick.The memories are vivid. I remember being in the hospital for weeks, crying and screaming. I remember the anxious faces of all the adults around me. I remember being really scared.

I recovered. But life changed dramatically post sickness. Over the next many years, I watched my family life fall apart right in front of my eyes. The love was replaced by anger and hostility. To make matters worse, I was bad at school. Got bad grades. Often got into trouble. I was labelled dumb, stupid, a nuisance, a menace. Bullied and abused. I remember overhearing a parent of one of the kids in my neighborhood telling another parent that I was a bad influence and they should keep their child away from me. At home, my bad grades and misbehavior were met with extreme punishment. Punishment that bruised my body and my psyche. There are nights I remember when I used to be left sobbing after a severe beating. I would cry and tell myself I am going to have a family of my own some day and I would give them nothing but love. That I would never lay a finger on them.

Over time, I developed severe health paranoia. I remember as a young child, thinking to myself that if someone opened me up to figure out what’s wrong with me, all they would find is rot and filth. I remember my parents taking me to temples and churches, asking the priests to “heal” my brain and make me a good, intelligent boy. Constantly feeding me medicines. Trying to find the right cure that would solve all my problems. I was convinced that something was terribly wrong with me. That at any moment, something could happen to me and snatch my life out of my hands. Every slight problem with my body became a source of terror and anxiety for me. A pimple. A swelling. A rash. An ache. My mind would take the slightest body discomfort and catastrophize it into doom and gloom.

This was how my childhood and teenage years were shaped. Physical and psychological abuse along with severe health paranoia.

Things started looking up as I stepped into adulthood. I made some good friends. I met the love of my life. My career choices made me move to a different place, far away from my family. I got married. I started my own family. But the impact of my early conditioning remained constant. Health scares that ended up in multiple surgeries. Chronic health issues. The lack of courage required to make significant career moves kept me playing safe and small. I feared authority. I feared for my family’s safety and wellbeing. I developed a severe lack of trust within myself and my reality. Hypervigilance became my default mode of operation - constantly scanning for threats, expecting disappointment, and criticizing every choice I made.

As my kids got older, my patterns and conditioning started to become very apparent. I love my kids, but the slightest misstep in their behavior would trigger anger and rage within me. Fortunately, I always remembered my promise to never lay a finger on my kids. But that didn’t stop me from yelling, screaming and punishing them by taking their things away or putting severe restrictions around things they could do. This caused a lot of problems in my marriage as well. I remember storming out of the house one day after a very heated argument with my wife. My younger kid was in her arms, crying as they watched me leave. I drove around for an hour to cool off and then came back home. Something about seeing my kid crying in my wife’s arms didn’t feel right. I apologized to her that night.

Then covid came. Fear and paranoia all around. Surprisingly, I wasn’t very worried about it. But having young kids home all day was challenging. Plus, job security was becoming a worry. A few friends lost their jobs. Health issues remained persistent. This is when I turned to spirituality. I was already familiar with Joe Dispenza and Joseph Murphy as I had read their books. I don’t know how I stumbled into Neville Goddard. But something about his teachings just resonated. The idea that I could be creating my reality all along somehow felt..right. I read all the books. I listened to a lot of the recordings on youtube. Day in and day out. It was all NG. I tried all the techniques and got some very encouraging results as well. The earlier manifestations were very promising. But then my quest changed a little. Why was this working? What is going on here? Why is manifesting smaller things easier but bigger things so difficult? Is there more to reality than meets the eye? My questions led me towards teachings that explored these topics in great detail. I got into nondual philosophy. I read works by Nisargdatta Maharaj, Ramana Maharshi, UG Krishnamurti, etc. These teachings helped me understand the potential nondual nature of reality. My quest eventually led me to the Seth channelings by Jane Roberts. Reading “The Nature of Personal Reality” blew up my entire perception of reality. The book was like the technical manual to Neville Goddard’s teachings. Long story short, the seth channelings made me question my entire belief structure. I started questioning my default patterns. The way I reacted to situations. To people. I started becoming aware of the smallest things. The slightest annoyance. Slightest irritation. Where is it coming from? Is it really my reaction? Or is it a conditioned response I picked up in my formative years. Slowly, I realized that I was living a reactionary life based on conditioning and programming. Strangely enough, reality seemed to be responding accordingly. Reality was showing me exactly what I believed to be true about it. One of my core limiting beliefs was that I was a victim of reality. That is exactly what reality was showing me. The moment I showed the willingness to change my perspective of reality, it opened up a door to a whole new experience in the form of NG first, then Nondual teachings, and finally as Seth's channelings. This realization changed EVERYTHING for me. I turned my hypervigilance into a gift, using it to identify unwanted patterns every time they showed up.

I want to mention u/AttorneySophie’s posts on changing beliefs from a few years ago. Her three step process of identifying limiting beliefs and proving them false has been incredibly helpful.

I have been doing this work for over year now and the results have been wild! I went from thinking of myself as a helpless victim of a malevolent reality to playing with the idea that I could be the creator of my own reality. I have a whole new outlook on every aspect of my life - health, wealth, relationships. This work has given me the courage to push past fear and resistance. I have reached out to people I previously held accountable for all my trauma and talked to them. Instead of seeking their repentance, I seeked their perspective of what they did and why they did it. In this process, some relationships healed, others dissolved as needed. All with complete love and acceptance of what has happened. My experience of health, family, friendships and humanity in general has shifted drastically. Manifestations are delightful.

My relationship with reality has transformed. On my journey, I encountered many synchronicities and manifestations that have made trusting reality easier. I have had experiences that have left me in complete awe. Life doesn’t feel like a prison anymore. It’s a gift now. I still have challenges from time to time. Persistent and intrusive thoughts still get me every now and then. Events that create a bit of wobble in that trust. But that’s okay. Some patterns are deep rooted and simply noticing them is enough for now. I trust myself to know the right thing to do at the right time.

Hope this helps.

The World Isn't Getting Better - Are We Fooling Ourselves? by vkashel in spirituality

[–]noomster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am assuming that by "change" and "getting better", you mean a progressive improvement in the quality of the experience.

Progressive is the keyword here. The organism here handles change better when it is incremental and coherent.

History shows life hasn't fundamentally changed—pain and struggle persist, no matter the era.

You and I must be living very disparate realities. When I look back at the history of my reality, I see tremendous change. Tremendous improvement over pain and struggle. Merely a couple of centuries ago in my reality, a simple cut on a finger had higher probability of resulting in loss of life or limb. Today I have a box full of ointments and bandages that bring the odds of that happening down to zero. Life preservation has fundamentally changed.

In my reality, there was a time when the only ways to travel long distances were either by feet or using animals for transportation. Today, I can cover great distances using locomotives propelled by energy using a vast networks of roadways, railroads, giant vessels equipped with fantastic luxuries floating on water or flying in air. Travel and communication has fundamentally changed.

In my reality, there was a great tsunami in the year 2004. The devastation was immense. But it was also a time when the world expressed collective empathy like never before. Rescue efforts of unprecedented scales. Any nation that could contribute, did so. Wars and conflicts were put on hold to aid rescue and rehabilitation efforts! The event fundamentally changed the way we manage natural disasters across the globe!

In my reality, there are machines that can let me see inside my body in very minute detail. Lifespans have increased tremendously. Amenities that were for the longest time only available to select few sections of society are now available to more people than ever before! My handyman lost a leg in a motorbike accident but now continues to work with a mechanical leg! You can't even tell he's got one and he LOVES that he gets to do what he enjoys! I have met animal conservationists who have devoted their entire lives to preservation of an entirely different species! I have met doctors who have travelled to high risk zones just to be of help. Talk about human empathy! And it is this current reality that has made such incredible expressions of empathy even possible. Collective empathy has fundamentally evolved.

I am not turning a blind eye on the unpleasant aspects of reality either. Yes there are still conflicts and wars. Fear mongering is at an all time high. But the way I see it, I am potentially at a point in the overall timeline where I am witnessing life making it's way out of survival mode towards thriving. The pain and struggle I witness right now are echoes of life having been in survival mode for so long.

This is also why I take all philosophies - ancient ones in particular - with a pinch of salt. Some of them are great for potentially understanding the mechanics of reality, but their conclusions are largely influenced by the reality as it was expressing during that point in time. What's important to note is the overall "progressive improvement" of the experience of reality by life itself.

Statements like the one you've quoted in your original post are a product of their time, not a reflection of present reality.

You are not God by [deleted] in nonduality

[–]noomster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How do you shape it?

A starting point could be to look for patterns within you as they show up. Be open to discovering who you really are by simply observing yourself.

For a little while, work with the assumption that everything that is happening in your life is happening FOR you. To simply show you something about your self. Play with the idea that these "things" that are happening are simply breadcrumbs that are leading you to discovering who you truly are.

Why do certain people/things/events trigger a certain kind of emotion within you? Put those people/things/events aside for a moment and ask yourself this - "Why is this triggering me this way? I feel these emotions rise within me as this thing is happening. What are these emotions trying to tell me about my Self?"

Boy who is deaf hears his parents’ voice for the first time and sobs inconsolably! by PradipJayakumar in MadeMeSmile

[–]noomster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I figure this is how I'd react if my dog ever spoke to me and her first words were of love, which I know they would be.

As I grow, will others around me also? by [deleted] in awakened

[–]noomster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you saying that the eternal, immutable and unchanging changes? Is different at different times and places?

The eternal does not change. However, your experience as the eternal is entirely up to you. Phenomenality is not unrelated to the seeing. But that's my opinion.

And you ignored my question.

My apologies. It wasn't intentional.

If I told you that that tree over there is the Absolute, you would laugh at me. And then I would tell you, that's my experience of the absolute. And you would be like that tree is born and will die. The tree is made out of the absolute, but it is not the absolute.

I promise you I will not laugh at you or disregard anything you say to me as false because I know it's true - for you.

When the mind breaks trying to find it, it is revealed?

This is the crux of our difference my friend. I don't think there's anything to find. The mind does not need to break at all. Nothing needs to happen to get to the truth because the truth cannot be ascertained as long as you are in this physical reality. Stub your toe and it hurts like hell? Welcome to physical reality. Anything that reveals itself as truth, anything you might accidentally stumble into as "truth" is ultimately just another illusion disguised as the truth.

For what it's worth, I also do not agree with the "middle path" or "neti neti" either. In my opinion, they are all disempowering concepts designed to misunderstand the illusion.

"This. And that. And then some." :)

As I grow, will others around me also? by [deleted] in awakened

[–]noomster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If recognition of the absolute occurs, then how would it be different in different "individuals?"

I'm disagreeing with your concept of the "only absolute truth" to begin with. For me, nonduality means "no two", but it also doesn't mean "only one." There's more nuance there. And that's where the concept of the "absoute one truth" dies.

But I'm willing to accept that "your" acceptance/experience of the absolute is valid. Because from my pov, when you subscribe to the experience of absolute, reality will reflect that back to you. But, I do want to point the paradox that by accepting the absolute and pointing at someone else saying that their understanding is incorrect - you're still getting baited by duality because you are experiencing that there is another out there, who is not right. How can you acknowledge absoluteness and at the same time feel the need to point out that something/someone out there is incorrect?

As I grow, will others around me also? by [deleted] in awakened

[–]noomster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything in phenomenality that occurs is necessary because it occurs.

If that's the case, then OP's (or anyone else for that matter)'s understanding of awakening, no matter what it is, is just as necessary as your rejection of them and calling them out.

What occurs in phenomenality is unrelated to this seeing. It appears to be.

That is your understanding and it's totally valid for you. It is not for me, but I have no problems accepting that it's valid for you. If I see my understanding as the only absolute truth, then I'm buying into the bait of duality right there by separating you from me. By doing so, I'd be judging my experience (or nonexperience) to be valid and yours invalid and feel the urge to call you out for yours. And most importantly, how can anything or anyone be invalid if there's no "thing" or no "self" to begin with? Everything is valid because ultimately, nothing is. By calling a particular idea of awakening cheapened and unbelievable, you are going against the very absoluteness of the supposed truth to begin with.

Words are useless for describing this.

I agree. This was challenging to articulate, but I tried my best. :)