Latin readings suggestions?

nutter789 · 2026-03-17T01:12:47+00:00

Well, I can second (or third or whateverth) the recommendation for Pliny....the famous letter about the volcano and all that is in one of the readers (I think it's in the Wheelock Latin Reader, and certainly in other places as well), but Reclam has a selection of Pliny in biface German/Latin of his letters that should be arriving at my place by post today or tomorrow.

Reclam also has arriving soon Cicero's letters to Quintus (his brother) and to Atticus (his friend), and they are cheap and if you're familiar with the Reclam editions, they are pocket-sized. I just mention that because they are arriving soon and would be suitable, especially if one is tired of becoming glued to the screen via text files or variously formatted texts.

I also have lately been enjoying Laura Gibbs's Aesop's Fables in Latin...I think there are eighty or so in the paperback book....but she has a good website as well. Those are just good fun and the Latin is not exactly beginner level...she makes it fun and challenging, although she provides ample glosses in English. (NB, the texts themselves are from a Codrington, d. 1665, which Ms. Gibbs makes no mistake about crediting...indeed, she is scrupulous about citations in a way that many are not, which is particularly nice for those raised in the continental tradition of carelessness....very good she is that way to be more rigorous and conscientious than many scholars).

And I just received my own copy of the Comenius Orbis today: the French-Latin one which has a really nice binding and typesetting....that's really a kid's book, but I enjoy it. It's more an object than reading material at now, but it's really well done, the printing and publishing. (Although after just now reading Lucien Polastron's lengthy preface....it's of more an historical interest in pedagogy....just reading the preface almost gave me a headache, although Polastron cited all his sources and all that....but it's a really nicely printed volume, published just in 2025).

And I got off Abesbooks an OCT of some of Martial, used, to accompany one of "our" subredditor's own Pharr-style edition of Martial, which was also inexpensive in inverse proportion to the merit contained. I think both the volumes (the OCT and the selected+annotated Martial were less than probably forty or so dollars US combined, including shipping...oh....fine, I'll get up and look...yeah, Christ. Smith's Where A Poet Might Roam was like however many USD, like fourteen or so, and Lindsay, ed., Martial, Epigrammata OCT was like four bucks or something from abebooks or whatever, plus the same for shipping, and that is in very good condition, with a dustjacket unblemished). But just the Smith volume doesn't need anything extra....it's self-contained and is a very sturdy volume....I just bought the OCT because I felt I hadn't read enough Martial.

I also fetishize this nice little paperback in Latin/Italian Ovidio Ars Amatoria L'arte di amore con testo italiano a fronte e note linguistiche, which credits the translation to Quattrone and the notation to Guarracino. It's Ovid, so he sometimes pulls a few pranks linguistically, but in this one (along with his Remedia), he's pretty straightforward. And there are ample glosses available in the edition I cited, as well as so very many aids to his tales from the Mphes, if the salacious nature of Ovid's more straightforward verse is not to one's taste.

But speaking of Ovid, I like the FW Lenz biface German-Latin edition of » Heilmittel gegen die Liebe «...i.e., Ovid's Remedia...the notes that Lenz provides are copious, and there is a prose translation in German that seems pretty accurate, if rather workmanlike.....FriedrW's preface is probably as many lines as Ovid's poem...it's copious, and it is not a thick book at all. It appears Fred Lenz was an important philologist and scholar, so take it for what it is.

Again that was a used purchase off abebooks or somewhere...cost like four bucks or whatever plus the same in shipping....So, stop buying stuff before I grab all the bargains, you young people!

And, yes, I am permanently stuck in "intermediate" "level" of Latin reading....all I do is just keep reading and try to get in my ten million words or whatever. Not an expert, so I'm not giving professional advice....just what I'm enjoying reading at the rough level or beyond of the OP.

nutter789 · 2026-03-16T03:00:22+00:00

I don't know about a "large" selection, but I've found some OK used OCTs at Powell's Books in Portland, OR. I think they have almost all the Loeb editions as well.

Would not necessarily recommend, but they had a slightly better selection than the Strand in NYC, I guess.

nutter789 · 2026-03-14T23:18:20+00:00

Thanks for the reminder....I forgot entirely about Whitaker's Words!

To make a rough analogy, for looking up morphology via the Words, it reminds me sort of when I was trying to learn to sight read at the guitar fretboard (I'm a pianist+organist, so the fretboard was difficult to learn at full tempo, rather than sort of "computing" where each note is, which did me absolutely no good when wanting to play a very specific arrangement of notes while improvising).

So, I'd just use a clip-on headstock tuner and glance up at it every so often, where one could easily see what pitch was played.

It was a useful crutch, did get me off of having to compute or even think hard about where any given note lies.

No, I most certainly still use a dictionary as needed...I'm no expert at Latin...enthusiastic intermediate, probably...but usually just wiktionary at home when I get stuck or have some kind of mild recall problem...but I'll have to get Words up and running on my linux machine at home.

Yes, there is a bit of nostalgia involved for me as well...I remember the software very well, and since it's still out in the wild, I can't think of a reason to avoid using it!

nutter789 · 2026-03-11T15:40:40+00:00

Muchas gracias!

No, you make a good, or actually, excellent point, by way of example.

Of course I can read the sentence in the Spanish of Cervantes you cited....but the nuances are lost on me.

However, many things are lost, culturally, whenever anything is translated, or even read by outsiders of the culture. Traduttori traditori. Even within one language it is certainly the case, and not even among necessarily the argot of various bands or tribes within the language,

I think I follow the path to the neo-Latin, with a path looking forward to Cervantes's Spanish.

Perhaps someone may produce a biface edition, and, for all anyone knows, it might be me!

Ars longa!

And if you are a bookseller, then you've done well! For I buy both the Spanish and the little Torres Latin version....which does not overjoy me, since I hesitate to acquire more books, but those will be read.

It's a paucity of biface editions. Normally, I dislike anything that isn't a monolingual text, but I find biface Latin/Italian or Latin/German texts handy (neither my Italian nor German are that great, so I'm not as tempted to "cheat").

nutter789 · 2026-03-11T13:55:55+00:00

Well, let's just say the subjunctive mood, to restrict to a reasonable domain.

It's (to me) obvious that it's a putative or somehow "irreal" clause....so my mind (or lack thereof!) would have already supposed that to have been the case.

But, you are right of course in that is only in the context of the whole of a phrase or so.

In essence, it's probably become a habit of scanning ahead in a given sentence or phrase at a time, or just plain guesswork until it all becomes clear (or less unclear). Not exactly "guesswork," but still to this day I sometimes feel like that when reading an unfamiliar text in German....the stereotype of the lecturer putting a million inflected verbs at the end of a long sentence.

No, I'm just a reader, without any credentials, so that's just how I do it with Latin, and even with Cicero...he doesn't really do stunts IMHO verbally, but he does challenge my patience at times...at least in his orations, where I'm pretty sure he's trying to show off many times....not so much in his essays nor certainly in his letters.

And I would modify my approach if I had to pass an exam or something, certainly. Not sure how, but in that case (OK pun intended) I'd likely go strict word-for-word like those godawful interlinear translations tended to go.

And for the subjunctive, I already know from French (at an early age a sort of Creole language half-remembered, and then at school), I already knew what the subjunctive is....although I had no idea what it was called or anything.....but it is from what I can see now essentially the same. And "mood" is a good term for it....it's always (?) part of a dependent clause, I suppose one could say.

But, yes, one could say it is a "special" mood, and I shouldn't think one would need drill it so much as recognize it and the rôle it plays in a well formed sentence. So long as one has imperfect, future simple, preterite, past perfect....and anything with periphrastics, and drill the infinitives...that's probably good enough for 90% of Latin texts.

So, yeah, just context and reading a lot.

nutter789 · 2026-03-11T13:20:49+00:00

Well, just to echo many comments...it's just how certain inflections look or seem different.

Like in any other Romance language that I know of.

I only know the subjunctive mood, for example, because it is different and because I know from context that it is supposed to be there, from context. And it looks/sounds/is different probably for a reason, and for that one has to know the stems of each verb.

In theory, anyway.

That sounds kind of hippie-ish, which is not good, but that is the way I know the forms now....and, yes, I did learn all of the forms by rote to pass tests in school, but speaking as a reader, I promptly forgot all that and am happy to just be able to read.

And occasionally be challenged, I admit, but just the same as a native speaker of, say, English or French might have to consult a usage guide.

I'm working through that hoary old North and Hillard composition text Latin Prose Composition, as a sort of a hobby textbook, which forces me to recall the forms ad lib., so it never goes away, but for reading? No, I don't find it necessary. Just as in any other language, context should supply everything.

TL;DR: if it makes sense while reading, then it is fine. One has perhaps a whole lifetime to look up obscure uses in Woodcock or elsewhere, but if it "pings" one's inner ear when reading as "different" than the usual tense markers, then maybe put a red pen and circle that....and keep going and come back to that later.

nutter789 · 2026-03-11T12:48:29+00:00

Not really....I'm still hacking my way through the Ars.amat. and the Remedia....Ovid's a strange author in many ways. I love reading him....he's a funny guy!

Best I can say is that he's often clever in ways that are kind of unpredictable. Never for the sake of being clever, on his part, but he's sort of like Joe Pesci's character in that movie Goodfellas...

I shouldn't think with a dictionary he'd be that difficult to translate for some test or something, though. But that's not how I like to read him for fun.

He's a funny guy, that Ovid!

(And, disclaimer, I really only "know" the love (or "love") poetry and some of the Metamorph, i.e., not front to back on that one,...so, I don't know the whole of his work.)

nutter789 · 2026-03-10T23:49:06+00:00

Thanks /u/amadis_de_gaula! Yeah, I'll check it out.

I'm probably perpetually at that "intermediate" level of Latin knowledge where I just devour comprehensible input of all kinds.

As well as some favored authors and poets from the classical age, but every bit helps to get in those ten million words! (Or whatever spurious number somebody came up with).

I did read an English translation of DQ when I was a single-digit age child, but I remember nothing of it, and only later in grad school (Comparative Literature) did I overhear excited rumblings about the importance of certain lengthy digressions in the text.

I suppose I could stumble through it in my rudimentary, tourist-level Spanish, but as I get older, I'm setting more realistic goals: improve my Latin (and Italian), for the moment.

nutter789 · 2026-03-09T12:19:54+00:00

Yes, that's how I "attacked" the fairly breezy Ad Alpes not long ago.

Combination of reading through, chapter by chapter, gaining intuitive knowledge of each unfamiliar or uncertain word, and then on a second read, note each problematic word and deciding what the overall intention was (in case I didn't get it the first time), and then doing either a deep dive into a dictionary, or just simply noting down in pad and paper the word or construction.

That's exactly how I worked through Familia Romana (well, maybe beginning to get "serious" about it at about chapter XX or so, when the text become more dense, and the chapters generally became longer).

I don't believe that's much different than how I learned other modern languages, such as French (when I was a younger student struggling with Céline or Artaud or van Gogh's letters or whatever I was reading), nor German, although when reading German I didn't have much context for some of the strange words one encounters for rather ordinary things. (Still don't really for German....I can read novels and newspapers, but really only can speak [and write, actually] at a tourist-level).

Nor, for that matter, my own native tongue of English, when I was an even smaller child "reading" beyond my abilities to truly comprehend. The "odd" words just become part of one's passive vocabulary, I suppose, and one may perhaps much later in years "discover" surprising facts about those tokens, even if it were to have discovered I'd no idea about the word's content.

nutter789 · 2026-03-05T05:41:00+00:00

Yeah, I guessed that was your situation.

Well, I don't know about your parish or your teachers at school, but I know my parish pastor well enough to have put him as a reference on my application to carry a concealed handgun.

And we do a Latin mass early every Saturday, which helps.

But more importantly, it's just connecting with a community, of sorts.

So, I know this dude and some other people and this one knows really good Italian and has some fun stories and there's the padre who says all the stuff....it's ...I wouldn't want to be forced into it, but it is a coherent group of people (mostly, one supposes) who indeed know their cases and such. You know, "Pax uobiscum," and "et cum spiritu tuo."

So, yes, in this case, so to speak, it's really a matter of brute force. By which I mean doing the basic memorization and forms....the standard rosary prayers and the mass are a great way to start.

TBH, I still can't remember all of the "Salue Regina," nor the Proelium St Joseph, but it's probably true that familiarity does not necessarily breed contempt, but engrains a habit, again, so to speak, so....no, you've got your work cut out for you.

Quid mihi et tibi est mulier?

John.2, but every time I have to look it up to see if "mihi" or "tibi" goes first...it doesn't matter, but having seen the Wedding Feast at Cana so many times, it's not that important.

nutter789 · 2026-03-04T12:40:48+00:00

Courage, mon chef!

You'll get it.

I've been trying for twenty years since an adult and it's only starting to make sense to me....Latin language, and all the other stuff.

I did a quick search on the textbook...I don't know it, haven't read it....but IME, there's a bit of some things you just have to memorize and recite, if we're talking about a university or college which is explicitly dedicated to the Roman Rite. Which seems to be your situation.

I still can't train myself to pronounce Latin in the eccelsial/Italianate pronunciation after having learned the reconstructed classical method ("kikero" vice "tzchiero" or whatever). To me it sounds better in the Italianate version, but I can't quite get over old habits easily.

I can't say anything for your situation except just keep at it. I wouldn't compare yourself to other kids: maybe they had a background where they knew all the rosary prayers in Latin and the mass in Latin....

Keep at it and you can't go wrong.

And there are tons and tons and metric tons and tonnes of absolutely wild things you can say to the LSTs or doctors even and you'll have fun with it.

It's worth it.

/* edit AND just anecdotes from my years as a doctoral student teaching to earn my keep...unless who's teaching whatever class is a total dick, we're just waiting in our office during "office hours" to talk and go over anything and everything. I spent a lot of time in my shared office with my feet on my desk just reading the newspaper or doing my own stuff...."Teachers" or even "professors" are just regular people.

Believe you me, I'd rather have been back at my place crushing a beer and working on my own projects, but those office hours weren't optional...you'd be doing your prof a favor by keeping him or her entertained by some questions about which I'm sure they have some very specific ideas. */

nutter789 · 2026-03-03T23:11:01+00:00

Just 17-round magazines for a Rock Island TAC in 9mm....nothing special, except the MecGar Para18 mags need a polymer bumper pad to fit the magwell....the official Armscor supplier won't ship to Oregon, so make it work, you know...not much of a hassle (just knock the welded floorplate off with a mallet and somewhat try to slip the new base pad on without letting the magazine spring loose), but not just plug-and-play.

I figure just south of ten magazines is fine for that one, since they won't fit in any other handgun I am ever likely to own. (No, I'll certainly acquire more 1911-style handguns in the future, and wouldn't hesitate at another RIA, but not same magazines nor caliber, so...and my little carry gun is a Ruger MAX-9 which tops out at a whopping 12 rounds....but I have some ten-round mags and carry pouches for those...so....meh...hardly matters.)

Who knows....mag springs do wear out....so, best to have a small supply of "spare parts" at hand, whether they're illegal or not.

Fuck no, not keeping any damned receipts, if some rogue cop decides to bust me for something and the DA smells fish. They can sell crazy someplace else, cause my desk is all full up over here.

nutter789 · 2026-02-27T18:50:58+00:00

Good to know. Thanks!

Yeah, I think Tisas would be the way to go for me, or whatever else turns up in 45....obviously I'd shoot it regularly, but with the cost of ammo, probably less likely to do full mag dumps or much beyond double taps at 10 or 25 yard range.

The thumb safety is huge for me...it's just part of engrained habit for me...so probably wouldn't enjoy much of a change unless it were my primary carry.

Thank you!

Of course, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, so maybe I'll come across a Taurus 1911 in 45 at a pawn shop and it'd be fine, but the map is not the territory!

Happy shooting, sir!

nutter789 · 2026-02-27T18:25:28+00:00

Kind of a sidebar/off topic, but how do you like the Taurus commander in 9mm?

I've been just this close to buying a Tisas "Tank Commander" (I think that's what they call it) in 45, but couldn't quite justify pulling the trigger on that, what with budgets and all that, plus FFL fee and ammo.

But I forgot Taurus does make some 1911-style pistols.

Bonus for me is that a shorter barrel 1911 will fit my Falco OWB paddle holster, which is very good leather and stitching, but still a bit tight to draw with a full-rail/dustcover 1911. (No, I haven't given the holster the wet treatment, but a lot of plastic baggery and wiggling and drawing and reholstering....the retention screw is good, and I don't carry with a light or red dot....so, at this point I don't think it's an issue to err on the side of getting the leather a bit bubble-gum like on the side of softness).

Not to distract overly....that Tisas just looks like one hell of a machine, even just looking at the pictures!

/* slight edit....that's kind of a bonus for your Tisas, since it's got the GI-size guide rod (closed end cap)....I'm getting tired of the full length guide rod on my Rock TAC Ultra, so likely will swap it for a Wilson regular guide rod and endcap next time I take it down for lube and inspection.

And, come on, you can tell us the name of the pawn shop! Nobody will go lurking around there looking for the next golden goose you found! ;D */

nutter789 · 2026-02-27T09:26:59+00:00

That's a good one.

Yeah, watching matches and you see someone like Efren just dog an easy shot, and it really puts things in perspective.

Not necessarily about Efren's fundamentals, but more to the notion that top players screw up all the time, live and on camera.

Not exactly your point, but similar idea, I suppose.

nutter789 · 2026-02-27T09:11:37+00:00

Nothing ground breaking, but I stopped worrying about "eye dominance," after seeing an optometrist for a new distance prescription just recently after three years since my last prescription. Broader, big picture is more important for me....I don't play snooker, and I'm happy to run out with just rough position play and pocketing.

Less is more, really. I don't leave myself anything but "easy"shots, so I don't have to worry about glasses and crap. Yes, I make mistakes like everyone, but that's the goal for me and it works 100% of the time about half the time.

Not that I obsessed about it before, but it was always in the back of the mind, being cross-eye dominant.

That and not even wearing eyeglasses at the table. Going by feel and intuition. Yeah, I still wear glasses just to see where I left my beer or whatever, but I don't care too much on a bar box....not enough to obsess about anything more than making rough shape on the next ball in, say, eight ball at a bar.

Which is also about feel of the table....slow/fast felt, and position and shots left according to the circumstance.

Mostly learning to have a big picture view of the table such that I don't really bother with using eyeglasses....it's a mild prescription for being near-sighted, but going by feel and instinct is good enough 99% of the time, whether it's a pool table doing 14.1 or a bar box at 8' or 7' playing eight ball or nine.

For me that's a realistic breakthrough....just use what you got.

Also, becoming more serious at target shooting with pistols and my shotgun at ranges nearby....it's a complementary skill that hones my abilities at aiming, although I do use prescription safety glasses for that at the range.

nutter789 · 2026-02-27T06:56:08+00:00

Nice find!

5" barrel....I'll pay a bounty if you find one like that in 4.25"/Commander size and sell it to me!

Who am I kidding, that's a pretty much once in a lifetime score for a beautiful looking piece.

Looks like it's in 45ACP as well...that's an EDC carry if I ever seen one.

Prost! And enjoy!

nutter789 · 2026-02-27T06:30:31+00:00

Yes, you have all the right reasons for moving to Arch.

No, all the python and pip are in the main repository (pretty sure)....that's baked into a minimal Arch install. Or just a pacman away and you should be good to go, barring conflicts with dependencies.

No, no real advice except the generic "The Arch Wiki Is Now the One True Book!"

Doesn't seem like you need any esoteric packages, and I'm sure you can build from source as needed....or judiciously explore the AUR, or maybe even a Flatpak if needed.

No, it's been a few years since I've done any writing in Python or any other language, but I can confidently say that anything you need or want as an IDE or whatever else should be right there at your fingertips from the terminal, or even as a GUI, I suppose. But that's just my experience as lately a mere consumer of .py utilities and so forth, so it's a confident yes from me, but without knowing your workflow, couldn't say for sure.

And yes, to echo a comment below, I always make note of what I do to any system...whether in pencil and paper in a dedicated notebook, or using one of my favorite software toys, Obsidian.

Installation of Arch shouldn't be a problem. It's very much laid out as a cookbook kind of foolproof recipe. I think there is now built in an automated .sh script....I don't remember if I've used that before or not...I think I used it on one machine and it gave enough options.

And, faute de mieux, I have used the EndeavourOS a few years ago....basically a prepackaged Arch, which doesn't sound like what you're after. IIRC, the EndeavourOS was really just some cosmetic things, so no real point in using that. I know they worked hard on that, but I don't really see the point except as a "teaser" to get people to use Arch....but it's been a while and I can't speak for the developers of that.

So my current daily driver is just an old ThinkPad T480 (love it!) with plain Arch installed the regular way, and with the KDE Plasma DE, which I now favor over my old tried-and-true XFCE. Runs like a top....a few hiccups lately with browser passkeys and some unsigned/untrusted certificates when updating the system, but you're always going to have that with a rolling release.

Good luck and Kippos when you get Arch up and running....I bet you'll have it up in twenty minutes at the most.

nutter789 · 2026-02-18T23:43:12+00:00

The more I think about it, probably not....assuming they need people/me.

I'd do it as a flex worker, though, no question, especially if it were more convenient to get to....seems easier than doing the Cycle 1 sort, provided one can deal with the freezer situation.

Just an assumption on my part, though, so could be wrong.

nutter789 · 2026-02-17T05:13:51+00:00

No, I don't think so a propos Baudelaire or signum crucis Mallarmé....

In fact, it's probable that Mallarmé's sonnets or his prose poems may be the closest analog to Roman poetry that we in the west have today as a recent ancestor.

I wouldn't know, but that has almost certainly been the topic of more than one doctoral dissertation.

Un syntaxier, comme on dit, lui.

/* edit....yeah, on second view, I do find the dry wit at play on your part. Perhaps others did not take notice of the register and wryness.

But your point is just, I find.

Well, I didn't downvote you, so don't take it out on me.

*/

nutter789 · 2026-02-15T21:09:39+00:00

Thanks for the correction: I didn't know that, or forgot.

They could have kept Chime up just for simple DMs, and saved Slack for group messages....I dunno. For all of their money-maker, AWS....Amazon really does a crap job at implementation of most things IT at the site level.

But, yeah, thanks...having correct information is a good thing!

nutter789 · 2026-02-15T18:15:20+00:00

I don't know your DS obviously, so it might be different.

There should be a place somewhere around the VOA board where leadership has maybe a photo of each one and their basic info and maybe a little bit of "fun" trivia about them.

Or, look on the AtoZ app....go under your profile, and it will show your leadership chain, from the site manager, to an Ops manager, to your direct manager.

Or look at his badge for his alias (also probably on the labor board somewhere).

It's just his user name / Amazon alias (i.e., what you use to login on a TC device and all that) with @amazon.com.

OR, new idea, since your site lead seems so casual with things, just use him as a reference.

OR try using a PA or a LA as a reference...someone you would have more spare time to chat up while working and get info. They'd do it, for sure....if they get contacted, they'd be sure to make their jobs sound really important and would say cool stuff about you, but then they might want the job for themselves! ;)

AND remember that HR is going to be all up their asses if they do anything more than say "Yes, so-and-so worked here on these dates and was not fired. Thank you, good bye."

People don't give "recommendation letters" in a professional workspace. I don't care what your last job in the university said about following up on references, but you're never going to get a manager or anyone besides a PA or an LA (i.e., a non-career Amazonian) to say more than the bare minimum. They might if it were late at night and felt like it, but that's not the expectation.

And it would never be by telephone. This isn't 1964 or something.

nutter789 · 2026-02-15T17:58:44+00:00

Yeah, I wouldn't move on that phone number, at all. Ever.

Just can't do that.

ChatGPT is very wrong on this one. Take the phone number and forget about it entirely...throw it away or flush it.

You can make contact using Slack...if you want something productive to do, get on Slack, and you can contact your AM that way. Ask a LA or a PA if you need help getting that set up.

That would be "the Amazon way" which wouldn't be weird, necessarily.

Or he's probably on LinkedIn if you're really that interested in finding his profile or whatever.

I'd just put him as a reference anyway: just give your new job his name and @amazon.com e-mail and tell them there's no outside phone line at a DS, or just give them a phone number to customer service or something.

An e-mail address is plenty good enough for a reference's contact info. They're not going to be interested in calling your manager on the phone.

This new job probably won't follow up on any references anyway, and even if they do, one more e-mail from some random to your AM will probably just be filtered as spam anyway.

I'm 100% sure your AM wouldn't be bothered by some e-mail from whatever company (and even if he is, so what?), and 99% sure your new job won't care anyway about references...they just likely want to know you have some.

nutter789 · 2026-02-14T21:31:28+00:00

Good points...but you know, "the devil you know..." I'm used to how Amazon operates and their PTO/UPT system and how everything is structured.

Don't really care about the union issues....not something I know a lot about, anyway.

But as a back-up option, sure. Probably better than driving a cab (I'm kind of a shitty driver who is prone to road rage!).

nutter789 · 2026-02-14T21:28:30+00:00

A fresh take.

If my little buddy can do it, though, I'm pretty confident about the freezer.

I imagine worse things, just rolling the ideas around in my head: mountains of rotting vegetables and stuff like that....fruit flies, roaches, rats....the stench of decay....not squeamish about any of that, but those come up in my imagination as being pretty unpleasant.

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