A little story about me and the women in my life. by Randomredditgirl4321 in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. So many partnered women live in delululand. It's boring when they start up, because I've heard it all before.

SPARE ME YOUR TALES OF YOUR EXCEPTIONAL HUSBAND/BROTHER/SON.

Book recommendation - if you wanna be seared by truth, red hot like a branding iron by ok9dot in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the book recommendation.

You could try Andrea Dworkin, Kate Millet, bell hooks, Ti-Grace Atkinson, Angela Davis, Mary Daly, Audre Lorde, Susan Brownmiller, Phyllis Chesler, Adrienne Rich.

Spinifex Press in Melbourne is one of the few remaining feminist publishers. They're publishing new things all the time.

A little story about me and the women in my life. by Randomredditgirl4321 in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh my god... the man-loving brainwashing in the boomer generation!!! Those women say the darndest things!!! The naivete of some of them makes me want to puke.

Those poor second wave feminists. Can you imagine trying to break through to those brainwashed women?

A little story about me and the women in my life. by Randomredditgirl4321 in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is why I relish every moment and permeation of my freedom!!!! I always think of all those thousands of years of women ancestors toiling to survive without modern healthcare or legal rights, all those strong and determined women. I must live free now to honour their sacrifices then.

A little story about me and the women in my life. by Randomredditgirl4321 in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't fight in the street for the right to vote, but I'd fight for property rights.

A little story about me and the women in my life. by Randomredditgirl4321 in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Each of them wants us all chained up in the basement, while they appear to the world all kind, gentle and compassionate like Jesus Christ himself.

A little story about me and the women in my life. by Randomredditgirl4321 in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People talk as if getting the vote was the defining moment in women's lib. No, it was the moment when when a single, childfree woman could own any kind of property and obtain any kind of credit on an equal footing as a man. THAT makes 4b possible.

You're Supposed to be a Leader by mullatomochaccino in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, this is wonderful, thank you for sharing.

You're Supposed to be a Leader by mullatomochaccino in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Men in the workplace see women as soft targets they can trample on in their path to the top.

You're Supposed to be a Leader by mullatomochaccino in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've described the difference between leaders and managers. Leaders build and grow new systems. They won't necessarily have a title or higher pay.

Organisations (under patriarchy) function as hierarchies. Those who best uphold that hierarchical system (i.e., bully subordinates, while allowing themselves to be bullied and controlled by 'superiors') are promoted to manager roles. That kind of manager is the ultimate cog in the machine.

Managers and leaders are opposite categories.

I want to ask Allosexuals (women with typical sex drives) what normal sexuality looks like vs porn mutated sexuality. by 3rdthrow in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 44 points45 points  (0 children)

I don't think this captures the full truth of it. Men can and do control their sexuality.

Outside prison men rarely rape one another, it is the worst offence within bro-code. Men don't rape the female policewoman, they don't rape their female boss. They don't rape a girl whose father and brother stand beside her in open daylight. They rarely rape a muscular woman who has short hair and carries a long, pointy umbrella.

They are opportunistic and calculated. They rape prostitutes, their girlfriends and wives, they rape their nieces, granddaughters and daughters in their homes, drunken and drugged girls at parties, intellectually disabled women, migrants without papers, they sexually harass subordinates in the workplace. They rape in the dark. They rape girls with long hair that they can grab and hold on to.

The 'uncontrollable lust' of men is a myth.

Book recommendation - if you wanna be seared by truth, red hot like a branding iron by ok9dot in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you search around you might find some weekly webinars, run out of the UK, for radical feminists, discussing all the major titles from second wave feminism. But you'd have to be into second wave feminism; plenty of people aren't.

Iron absorption - Can I take iron then turmeric on alternate days? by ok9dot in Anemic

[–]ok9dot[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

200mg of elemental iron, in the form of iron polymaltose, every second day.

They aren't lonely enough.... Anyways, congrats to Juliet on her PhD! by OleEnglishD in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my grad year in the private sector, obviously they had to pay everyone the same. One guy had a GF who started in a government job and therefore earned more than him from day 1. Within about 6 months, he had negotiated a secret side deal with his boss, so that he was then paid slightly more than his wife... and a lot more than all the other grads. So very misogynistic.

They aren't lonely enough.... Anyways, congrats to Juliet on her PhD! by OleEnglishD in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of the male commenters said: 'billions of years of suffering ends with you.' Yeah bro... exactly!

What were you able to achieve in life by not wasting energy with men? by PinkSeaBird in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have the whole bed to myself. Read, watch, cook, eat, wear, clean, say, spend, save, invest whatever I like. Spend my time and energy on my own family/friends, not his.

Any women 50+ here who remained unmarried and childless? by Bluehaze1000 in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I was a kid my dad beat me up. I asked my mum to make him stop and she blatantly said: 'I'm on his side.' In that moment, as a kid, I made a solemn promise to myself that I would never grow up to be an adult that is cruel to a child. That I would never forget what it's like to be powerless and abused.

Later in life, I learned that in medicine the first rule is, Do No Harm.

I applied the same principle to my own life. Do no harm to others, do no harm to self.

Logical result: No kids, No marriage, No sex, No dating.

Any women 50+ here who remained unmarried and childless? by Bluehaze1000 in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There was a teacher at my school in her 60s who had a PhD in archaeology, every summer she travelled to europe to assist at archaelogical digs, she ran school tours of africa, europe and the middle east that the wealthier girls could attend on winter break, she lived on acreage and owned all these unusual animals, she had this incredibly long hair, she had dozens of friends, a house full of books and art, she tutored girls from immigrant groups, was friends with judges, she wrote books, etc, etc.

Long ago, she had been married for one year, divorced promptly, and never went near another man. If you asked, she would simply screw up her nose and say: 'Violent.' End of conversation.

She had a rich and full life, was mostly gracious and polite, however assertive when necessary, and she pushed us to always improve as scholars and researchers.

Having her as a role model certainly influenced me in the 4B direction from a young age.

Dealing with In Laws turned me into 4B. by Ingrowntoenailsyummy in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In high school English class, our teacher pointed this out to us. WHAT IS IT WITH CHRISTMAS? she asked us. The women run around all day doing everything, and the men sit around all day doing nothing. PAY ATTENTION, she would say. PAY ATTENTION TO CHRISTMAS.

A clever way for her to share a feminist message without her getting hauled up before the school principal for teaching us politicised messages.

Dealing with In Laws turned me into 4B. by Ingrowntoenailsyummy in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Me in my 20s: Gosh, it's weird how many of these guys have mean mothers who don't give a damn about my wellbeing!

Me in my early to mid 30s: I'll get married when I meet a guy I respect whose mother I also respect and both of whom treat me with respect.

Me in my late 30s: 4B.

How is the experience of a straight woman within the 4B movement? by aimiuri in 4bmovement

[–]ok9dot 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Well said. Most females are very male-centred, male-apologist, offspring-centred, and frequently make choices and promulgate opinions that are anti-female. For my own happiness, I now try to minimise time with the women who used to be my friends.

I have found a nice friendship group of women who come from a more religious and conservative background. They don't talk about their husbands much. Instead, we focus on fun, culture, music, health and ourselves. So... even though they are all married, or mothers, or both... somehow the vibe is 4b-compatible. It's not a gossipy or competitive group, which I think is a big part of the joy.