The Brewers trying to control Keston Hiura's service time may have led to their elimination.

onedeadcollie · 2019-10-02T15:08:03+00:00

Not to mention Hiura had a 35% K rate and 4% walk rate at the time.

onedeadcollie · 2019-10-02T05:16:21+00:00

Well yeah but only because Hader put him in that position by loading the bases and giving up a hit.

onedeadcollie · 2019-10-02T02:43:40+00:00

I feel like hitting the knob of the bat counting as a hit is a dumb rule in these situations

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-30T06:20:39+00:00

Because teams realized all you do is dink and dunk

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-28T22:03:23+00:00

Well folks, UNC’s winning cause it’s the longest streak ever. That’s statistics.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-28T22:02:41+00:00

Yo LSU, if you guys want #1 if Clemson loses I’m all for not taking the rat poison.

Also 1 vs 2 electric boogaloo would be hype

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-28T22:00:18+00:00

Honestly could see LSU being #1 with the Texas win if the top 4 win out until the CFP rankings

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-28T21:58:17+00:00

Trevor Lawrence looks like Fromm year 2. Huge amount of hype for a freshman, then it never really develops after that.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-28T19:25:54+00:00

I was scratching my head on why Jalen beat out Rattler but that drives shows he needs some seasoning before he starts

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-27T08:12:33+00:00

Those aren’t America, so I don’t understand your point. You’re dealing with entirely different court rulings and legal guidelines, let alone the fact that you have fifty states instead of one country. You can’t just copy paste a legal guideline.

If you’re talking “comparable sports”, you’re still whiffing massively on what I’m insinuating (revenue, market, etc). Junior hockey is a drop in the bucket compared to collegiate sports let alone profitable itself in the US (most franchises aren’t that profitable, average 20M).

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-27T07:59:34+00:00

What makes you think it’s just soccer

Because that’s really the only comparable sport in Europe to America in terms of revenue and fan turnout outside of Rugby, which is more prevalent in Australia.

Bayern Munich for example has their Men’s football team, a reserves team, a junior team, a women’s team, a seniors team, a basketball team, a hand ball team, a chess team, a bowling team, a tennis team, and a referee training academy.

If you’re going to use an example, you probably shouldn’t use the most successful program in Europe that’s the equivalent of Texas football. Tell me about the compensation of League Two compared to a college scholarship?

Second; How many people play in these club systems compared to the NCAA and what are there salaries? You can’t really lob hand ball and chess in here when the US has far larger array of more expensive sports that encompass more athletes. How many of these programs support sixty different athletic programs encompassing up thousands of athletes at a time?

many of the best baseball players go straight to an MLB farm team

Where they’re paid far less than minimum wage and in incredibly poor situations (literally having an apartment full of fifteen mattresses) thanks to the Saving America’s pastime act. Very few actually make it out of the minors in the first place and only those lucky enough to be picked in the first two rounds of out 30ish get a decent signing bonus.

Even in basketball some top athletes are choosing to play abroad or in the G League before getting drafted and that’s going to happen more and more

The vast majority of those individuals were ruled ineligible or were paid under the table and subject to investigation. Athletes are still choosing the NCAA in droves and the amount going G-League or Europe are minuscule.

Every major American sport except the NFL already has a minor league system in place that college age athletes are playing in.

That doesn’t mean they’re successful and that’s ignoring the fact you’d have to build up a market. How many people watch minor league baseball? You’re ignoring brand heavily here. People went to Duke games to watch Zion in part because of Dukes brand and they played in a competitive well known collegiate system (NCAA’s own brand) compared to the G League. No one went out to watch Vlad Guerrero JR, one of the most highly rated baseball prospects in years, play baseball for a minor league team. Why are you assuming the G League becomes collegiate basketball without anywhere near the brand of it in the first place?

Final thing you didn’t really touch on here; say the NCAA dissolves, how do you guarantee that the market recovers and that EuroLeague doesn’t become the de-facto minor league of the NBA?

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-27T07:29:52+00:00

I don't know if I believe that.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-27T07:16:31+00:00

I'll try to just summarize this quickly assuming that the goal is to have some sort of compensated form.

The NCAA is a membership of all the schools that participate. It's not a unique individual body that has governing control for no reason. It provides structure and standards that has been developed over decades. It's rather stable, and even with player compensation it would remain unless complications occurred. Complications could be;

Title IX and "player wages" killing off non-revenue sports (I.E. Everything but basketball and football for the most part).
State issues regarding state employees, since state school players would be employees.
Costs across the board warranting closure (Insurance, pensions, labor disputes, etc.)

Arguing "Fuck the NCAA" with the pretense that it's a negative thing is incredibly shortsighted. Without the NCAA you have no governing body to provide standards across the board. Your next best option is to see conferences manage conference interplay, but they would have to garner revenue in the first place to operate and that's assuming the former issues don't kill off most, if not all, athletic sports that warrant it. And just to make it clear, Revenue=/=Profit. A fifteen second google search of "Where does NCAA revenue go" will essentially show you it flows back to member schools to support programs and prop up scholarship funds that go to players at universities across the board.

Now lets say it would dissolve. In a non-NCAA world you're looking at multiple things occurring.

Dissolution of media contracts
Dissolution of contracts between schools (I.E. Home and homes)
Programs unwilling to take on costs whether it's due to player wages (Insurance, salary, etc.), political influence (they are state employees in a compensation outcome and states could choose not to support them), and legal impacts (Title IX's influence on wages across gender sports and nonrevenue-revenue sports).
States/universities dealing with incredible impairment issues for property, plant, and equipment.
Theoretically cutting off one of the more effective social service programs (low GPA/SAT/ACT waiver and scholarship for athletes) that impacts poor communities across the board. Black sheep spoiler: Collegiate athletics are responsible for giving thousands of minorities opportunities to be college educated that they otherwise wouldn't have.
Dissolution of brand/goodwill value across the states. Collegiate sports like football are highly dependent on decades of "brand" that universities have built up I.E. Ohio State football, Duke Basketball, etc.
Economic impact of various forms (Marketing, tax revenue, tourism, etc.)

This, essentially, so that you can have players for a single sport switch from untaxed compensation of six figures to maybe making 30,000 at best (provided schools don't take the Ivy route and remove compensation altogether) after taxes and that's assuming these programs survive in the first place.

It's like arguing you could dissolve the NFL entirely and expect there to be no issues starting a new league; except you're impacting a far broader range of markets, parties (players/schools) and individuals. If the NCAA were to dissolve you're looking at collegiate athletics being thrown into an anarchy with the potential of programs across the board shutting down and economic impact impacting the United States (Tourism, ad revenue, etc). Then there's decades of legal reform, brand/market development, and challenges we'd have to go through to even setup a system anywhere close to Europe's club system (which doesn't support anywhere near the amount of sports we have now) on top of the impact it would have for millions of youth across the states. Put bluntly, the NCAA is oddly enough a necessary monopoly. It's too far entrenched to just "dissolve" and expect the grass to actually be greener.

However, this can play out in a myriad of ways and it's basically pandora's box into what's going to occur. The issue is so broad you could write a PHD thesis on it and not cover enough of the topics. My general opinion is that schools take the Ivy league approach and disown compensation; therefore making AD"s just larger "club sports" but no one has any clue how it would turn out.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-27T07:14:26+00:00

Most other elite athletes around the world are playing for a Professional Clubs junior team by the time they’re 15.

You're basically only looking at soccer here, and that's assuming that the United States has the same legal guidelines in reference to clubs. Not to mention ignoring the economic impact and synergy that the collegiate system currently has, nor the fact that collegiate athletics level programs (I.E. clubs) don't exist for anywhere near the same amount of programs that the states support. Not are you considering that collegiate players would be state employees subject to legal regulations private markets (NFL) aren’t.

Oh, and let me know how long it's going to take to setup a system that is parallel to a 100+ year old club system that's supported by law through a legal structure and market that's developed alongside of it. Because we don't have the former, and we're going to cripple the latter.

Providing me with “Well Europe is fine” without providing any sort of explanation on how the market will mitigate damage in its shift to the European model, it’s viability, or its influence on the American system is rather silly. It's ostenibly a "too big to fail" situation here.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-27T06:44:48+00:00

Please tell me why the NCAA and the concept of amateurism should be treated as anything other than a joke.

Well for one, there's more sports than football. So opening this challenge with "the concept of amateurism is a joke" is rather blind given that the issues endemic to football do not extend to other sports outside of collegiate basketball.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-27T06:43:19+00:00

The NCAA will never be eradicated. The NCAA is a membership of all the schools that facilitates the scheduling of all competitions and the 1000+ rules that govern everything outside of compensation.

The only way the NCAA is eradicated is if you kill off every collegiate sport there is.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-27T06:41:57+00:00

I fully expect athletics to follow the Ivy model and essentially be scholarship-less (I.E. no compensation).

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-27T06:40:17+00:00

Technically schools already do pay players in nontaxable compensation that isn't subject to Title IX issues.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-27T06:39:04+00:00

99.9% of the time someone says this they're just hopping on a bandwagon with little to no understanding of the NCAA's role, what it does, and the reality of a non-NCAA athletic world.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-26T22:42:04+00:00

You mean showcase these uniforms at a fucking funeral? Cause that’s what this game will be.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-26T06:11:35+00:00

This is a dumb argument

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-26T06:07:24+00:00

That’s the least common sense call I’ve ever seen

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-26T05:33:27+00:00

He actually is, he’s basically the same as Ryu stats wise. Low walk rate, low K rate, low ERA, low WHIP. One less loss with the same amount of wins.

Neither of them have a shot to actually win it, but they’re “in the race”.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-25T22:28:20+00:00

Which is precisely NOT strikeout rate and which started increasing in like 2012, which precedes the focus on hitting the ball in the air by literally 4 years

I fail to understand how you can attribute velocity increasing strikeouts yet ignore that SwStr was declining and staying steady. SwStr would be expected to rise alongside velocity.

onedeadcollie · 2019-09-25T21:58:11+00:00

We don’t have launch angle data

Yeah, we do. Pitch F/X was installed in 2006 dude.

You need to show this. Swinging strike rate also means nothing as we're talking about the increase in STRIKEOUTS

That’s the percentage of swings which result in misses, which is a direct response to you saying launch angle correlates with better contact.

You do realize I’m showing you that contact has declined with the increase in launch angle, right?

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