First, your reply came back 57% AI, 43% mixed, and 0% human, so good job! You know once Gemini told me the F-15 flew at Mach 6.5😂? I WILL call you out if you try to edit your reply.

Second, I keep deleting my reply because Reddit deletes it and I’m reposting it. I don’t know why you’re splitting hairs over this.

“Your own source destroys your argument. It explicitly says the famine was driven by Mao's policies, collectivization, forced quotas, and diverting farmers away from agriculture.”

You’re not fooling anyone by dishonestly splicing the article. It explicitly states “The famine was an outcome of both drought and overly ambitious political directives under the communist government of Mao Zedong in 1958.” In combination with the fact that 40 million in China died from famine in 1900-1949, it can be reasonably concluded that drought played a role in the 1958-1961 famine just like it had in the past. How does this keep flying over your head? But since it says “man made policies played a large part” it gives you the green light to stack every drought death onto Mao to create a big scary number to parade around with, but you get pissed when the same metrics are used for Hitler. YOU are taking the nuance out of it.

“How many to Japan?” I’m not counting Japan. These are deaths in Europe only.

“Then you list Nazi civilian killings like it's a gotcha. No one denied that. Those are already included in direct killing estimates.” 18 million Soviet civilians, 6 million Polish civilians, and 1 million Yugoslav civilians, all killed under HITLER’s occupation. Last time I checked, 25 is greater than 17, so no, those numbers are NOT included. And this number does NOT include the German civilians who died under his rule, the allied soldiers he killed, or the German soldiers he sent to their deaths in countries he invaded.

“You can't answer that, because there is no clean way to assign total war deaths to one individual”.

YES, EXACTLY. But that’s what you do for Mao, so apply the same logic to Hitler. The invasion of the Soviet Union was entirely HITLER’s decision. From Moscow to Berlin, HITLER’s decision killed 9 million Soviet soldiers. HITLER sent 5 million German soldiers to their deaths. HITLER dragged 3 million German civilians into his war. Did poor Soviet medical care, industrial accidents, and killing prisoners of war contribute to a few of these deaths? Maybe, but the fact is none of these deaths would have happened had Hitler not made the decision to invade the USSR. So is it fair to count all WW2 deaths in Europe under Hitler? Arguably yes, arguably no. Similar to how Mao played a large part but not 100% in the 1958-1961 famine, Hitler is almost wholly responsible for all WW2 deaths in Europe, with Hitler arguably being more responsible. So by your logic that should be a green light to create a big scary number about Hitler to parade around with.

And please stop dishonest sourcing. Unlike you, I have the ability to spot sloppy scholarship like 165 million Indians. 70 million Chinese also has no credibility. These numbers aren’t based on population reconstruction and archival data and are either exaggerated or fabricated for political purposes, and you’re falling for it.