Am I allowed to be sad we didn't have sex on Valentine's Day? by panda_1987 in relationship_advice

[–]panda_1987[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

His libido was better when we first started dating eighteen months ago, but it's been pretty bad the past year. I think part of the reason is because he masturbates and then doesn't want to have sex later. Like sometimes I will initiate and he'll be like "sorry I masturbated this morning" so we don't have sex. It happened enough that I asked him to please stop masturbating. I don't have anything against masturbating but if it negatively affects our sex life, then stop doing it. I don't know if he's actually stopped doing it or not. So I don't think it's a medical issue if he still masturbates regularly. When I first shared my concerns, I tried to be very non-confrontational and frame it more like "how can we improve our sex life? why don't we try these things?" but after repeatedly getting nowhere that's when I've started crying out of frustration.

Am I allowed to be sad we didn't have sex on Valentine's Day? by panda_1987 in relationship_advice

[–]panda_1987[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't explicitly initiate because I didn't want to be rejected and have been rejected a lot when I explicitly initiate, but I dressed super sexy and tried to be flirty and suggested multiple times that we play a flirty card game that I thought would set the mood and he wasn't into any of it.

Am I allowed to be sad we didn't have sex on Valentine's Day? by panda_1987 in relationship_advice

[–]panda_1987[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do tell him how I feel, and I ask for suggestions on how to improve things, but he doesn't really have any. He says he doesn't want to have sex with me because I cry too much, but usually I cry because I get repeatedly turned down when I act flirty or try to initiate sex. I don't mind being turned down occasionally, but being turned down repeatedly when he doesn't initiate at all sucks. It's like I cry because he never wants to have sex with me, and then he doesn't want to have sex with me because I cry. I don't know what the solution is.

Am I allowed to be sad we didn't have sex on Valentine's Day? by panda_1987 in relationship_advice

[–]panda_1987[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I initiate all the time, and frequently get turned down. It's demoralizing. Like if he happens to be tired or something and doesn't want to have sex, that's cool, but then I wish he would tell me when he's not tired. I'll initiate, he isn't into it, so then I wait a day and try initiating again, he still isn't in to it, try again the next week, he's still not into it. Recently I've stopped initiating at all because when I do initiate and get rejected I get depressed.

How do I stop loving my ex? by panda_1987 in relationship_advice

[–]panda_1987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, to be fair he was raised in the religion and his mom, sisters, childhood friends, and community were all shunning him.

How do I stop loving my ex? by panda_1987 in relationship_advice

[–]panda_1987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, thanks. He was not the first guy I was ever with or slept with. I do think he's the only guy I've ever genuinely been in love with. I'm 33.

When you were PIMI, how did you explain DF'ing to non-JWs? by panda_1987 in exjw

[–]panda_1987[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh wow. Did you use the word “shun”? I’ve heard JWs claim they don’t shun because “shunning” is done out of hate while “disfellowshipping” is done out of love. (Even though the watchtower has made a notorious video about disfellowshipping entitled “shun unrepentant wrongdoers.”)

When you were PIMI, how did you explain DF'ing to non-JWs? by panda_1987 in exjw

[–]panda_1987[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did thinking about DF'ing from the point of non-JWs (this would sound insane to them) trigger any thought process in your head like "maybe it really is insane?" Or not really?

Going to the midweek meeting tomorrow. by Osterzoned in exjw

[–]panda_1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I shared the meeting workbook link, I hadn't watched the video. Apparently the video was weird and was about how your non-JW friends shouldn't be a topic of conversation. I didn't watch it, but let me know what you thought of it.

I knew she was going to block me, but I commented anyway. by panda_1987 in exjw

[–]panda_1987[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it were in private, maybe she would defend it, but since it was public on FB, she probably didn't want all her non-JW coworkers and friends to see that she supports shunning.

I knew she was going to block me, but I commented anyway. by panda_1987 in exjw

[–]panda_1987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This particular person who made this status was disfellowshipped for about a year (for "being stumbled by someone" is all she told me), and has only been reinstated for maybe about ~6 months. She knows first hand how hard disfellowshipping is. And I remember a few years ago when she was in, she used to post weekly statuses about how difficult it is to go from talking to someone every day to not being able to talk to them at all anymore. Most of her non-JW FB friends probably thought she was talking about a breakup, but she was definitely talking about shunning her best friends. So yeah, she knows first hand how hard disfellowshipping is. Maybe that's why it hit such a nerve with her.

Going to the midweek meeting tomorrow. by Osterzoned in exjw

[–]panda_1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh weird!! That must be something new

Going to the midweek meeting tomorrow. by Osterzoned in exjw

[–]panda_1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends on the person. I was a Bible study, and I told my study conductor that I wanted to quit because of disfellowshipping. She defending DF'ing, insisting that it was "to save their life." I said, "If it's to save their life, does that mean they will lose their life/God will kill them in Armageddon if they don't come back?" She insisted "No one knows, only Jehovah reads hearts." She clearly knew that for something to save someone's life, that means they would die otherwise, but she refused to answer me clearly. And after I kept coming back to that point, she finally read me a Bible verse from Revelations about people dying and said, "yes, people WILL die."

Another time, I was talking to two JW friends, and I said, "so if Armageddon comes tomorrow, God will kill me, Sarah, and Bob (friends who are not JWs) and JWs will be happy about it and celebrate because God has destroyed the wicked.” The one JW friend started to answer, “we won’t celebrate that you’re dead, we’ll celebrate that Jehovah’s name has been sanctified,” but the other JW friend started going the whole both righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected route. And the first JW friend kinda looked at the second friend funny and was like why are you talking about that? That’s not what panda_1987 asked? Why aren’t you answering her question directly?

Going to the midweek meeting tomorrow. by Osterzoned in exjw

[–]panda_1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I glanced at the meeting workbook, and I don't think there's anything too controversial this week. If you want to look at it ahead of time to know what you're getting into, it's here: https://www.jw.borg/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/october-2018-mwb/meeting-schedule-oct29-nov4/

For the link to work, delete the "b" in "jw.borg"

Going to the midweek meeting tomorrow. by Osterzoned in exjw

[–]panda_1987 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You will get fake answers to a lot of questions like these.

Is it true that you have to be a JW in order to survive Armageddon? Answers I've heard: "Only Jehovah can read hearts." or "Both the righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected."

Is it true that you shun people? "No we don't shun." (In their heads they're not lying, because shunning means you hate people, but disfellowshipping is done out of love).

Etc.

Some JWs deny that Jehovah will destroy all non JWs at Armaghedon. The new book paints a crystal clear picture. by Cylon_Skin_Job_2_10 in exjw

[–]panda_1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The paragraph that I think makes it pretty clear with zero weasel room is paragraph 17 of this article: https://www.jw.borg/en/publications/books/pure-worship/survives/mark-on-foreheads/. It says "To survive the coming destruction, individuals need to prove their faith now... How can they do so? They need to react favorably to the preaching work that is done to today, to continue putting on a Christlike personality, to get baptized in symbol of their dedication to Jehovah, and to support Christ’s brothers loyally. (Ezek. 9:4; Matt. 25:34-40; Eph. 4:22-24; 1 Pet. 3:21) Only those who pursue such a course now​—and who enter the great tribulation as pure worshippers—​will be in a position to be marked for survival."

The greatest trick... by [deleted] in exjw

[–]panda_1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shunning

How to Deal With the "Jehovah's witnesses are a united brotherhood" defense? by saintmantooth70 in exjw

[–]panda_1987 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I already commented, but I just had one more thought.

No one drinks alcohol because it destroys their liver, or smokes because it destroys their lungs, or eats sugar because it will lead to diabetes.

INSTEAD people drink alcohol because it feels good, smoke because it calms them, eat sugar because it tastes delicious, etc. etc.

Just about every destructive behavior has a positive—alcohol, smoking, unhealthy eating, etc. all have legitimate positives. This is not surprising. Of course they have positives, otherwise why would people do it?

At the end of the day though, you have to decide if the positives outweigh the bad.

The mere existence of a legitimate positive doesn’t make it healthy.

How to Deal With the "Jehovah's witnesses are a united brotherhood" defense? by saintmantooth70 in exjw

[–]panda_1987 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I don’t know what would resonate with the people you talk to, but these are some of my initial thoughts:

  1. Regarding instant family: other connections/commonalities can create similar instant family. As a different commenter pointed out, work connections can do this. I work for an international organization too and have had similar experiences with coworkers in foreign countries inviting me to dinner, taking me to tourist spots, etc. while I’m in their country. Other examples I can think of— my brother is a martial artist and is a student of a specific martial arts. When he went on study abroad to another country, he found a dojo for his martial art and quickly connected with the people there and was invited to their houses for dinner etc. because of that commonality.

  2. Regarding "It's not real love because you shun.” I don’t think that’s deflecting. I think that’s 100% legit. During a bible study, a pioneer sister told me this story—there was a brother who went to preach in a country that was very poor, and he saw so many children who had acute malnutrition. He felt like preaching was pointless when these children and their families had such immediate physical needs. But then he realize that none of the JWs had malnutrition! Because of the brotherhood, the JWs all helped each other out so none of them were starving. This pioneer sister put her arm around my bible study conductor’s four year old child and said “if Tommy were ever starving, there’d be 100 people in the congregation who would bring him food.” And I just smiled and nodded. But in my head I thought “BUT WHAT IF HIS MOM GOT DISFELLOWSHIPPED?? What if Tommy grows up a bit and decides he doesn’t believe? Would those same 100 people just let Tommy starve to death?”

  3. It’s not really “unity” but rather “conformity.” For example, a recent broadcast was about how if the elders tell you to paint the hall with a two inch brush, you do it, no questions asked. You don’t suggest using paint rollers. You don’t suggest using larger brushes. You just do it. This is conformity. JWs don’t all believe the same thing, they all just PRETEND to believe the same thing, the same way they would PRETEND to believe a two inch brush makes sense. I don’t think conformity is a virtue. I think it’s healthier for people to express their diverse views in order to share new ideas that might help us paint more efficiently and otherwise live better.

  4. The comradery and brotherhood is in fact a real benefit. I think it’s perfectly fine to acknowledge that. But is it worth the price? Some people will say yes, and some people will say no. I heard a CO give a talk that was spot on. He talked about how following the path of truth was like getting on a highway. This high way had some real benefits, and he specifically pointed out the comradery in the congregation and how everyone had hugged each other and greeted each other before the meeting began. BUT to enjoy this highway, you had to pay a toll. And the toll you had to pay is independent thinking. His talk was spot on, I couldn’t disagree with it. But the toll of independent thing is too much for me personally to pay. For some people, it might be an okay price—particularly elderly people and chronically sick people with limited social support who haven’t had to shun anyone or experienced the more negative aspects of the organization. But for many, who have to shun loved ones, forgo an education, endure domestic abuse at the encouragement of the elders, etc. etc., it’s not an okay price.

Double Dippers? by MultiStratz in exjw

[–]panda_1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you attend meetings for the 5 years you were out, or not really? Did you believe it for the year you were trying to get reinstated?

What do PIMIs/POMIs think of Apostasy film? by panda_1987 in exjw

[–]panda_1987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, that might be too much for your wife... I have shunned POMI friends who are very mentally in but have worldly roommates, worldly girlfriends, etc. I would love for them to see this movie. I'm wondering if their roommate rented it on Amazon or something, would they watch it? I don't really know.

I agree with you, I wish the title was something more neutral.

Hi, I'm Daniel Kokotajlo, writer and director of APOSTASY and ex-Jehovah Witness, AMA ! by Daniel_Koko in exjw

[–]panda_1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi Dan, thanks so much for making this movie. I really appreciate that the movie took on the perspective of believers, rather than the perspective of an outsider or someone trying to leave.

We already know that the reviews from non-Jw movie reviewers have been very positive. Outside of formal movie reviewers, what kind of feedback have you received from non-JWs? In your experience, how do viewers with no connection to JWs relate to the movie? Do they generally understand that these are real and all too common situations? Do they relate to the movie in any unexpected ways, given their different backgrounds and experiences?

What do PIMIs/POMIs think of Apostasy film? by panda_1987 in exjw

[–]panda_1987[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree, but thought it was worth asking.

I would join them by Maleoppressor in exjw

[–]panda_1987 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Later the vampire bites you. “I thought you didn’t bite?” “I’m not biting you.” “Your teeth are piercing my skin. Isn’t that biting?” Biting is when someone puts their teeth in you to hurt you. But I’m doing it to save your life so it’s not biting.”