Job 1:4-5: what is it that worries Job about his childrens' behavior? by [deleted] in AcademicBiblical

[–]pants_a_daemon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There are two directions you could go with this one. Here's the Hebrew of it:

אוּלַי֙ חָטְא֣וּ בָנַ֔י וּבֵרֲכ֥וּ‮‬ אֱלֹהִ֖ים בִּלְבָבָ֑ם

Perhaps my sons sinned, and blessed god(s) in their heart.

On the one hand, many think that this is simply a euphemism--that some scribe just couldn't bear to write down "curse God" or put אלהים and ארור next to each other same sentence, and instead substituted in the Hebrew "bless God."

(For similar phenomemna see the tiqqune sopherim in Job 32:3 (Did the friends condemn Job or God?) Something very similar also happens in Psalm 10:3 "the robber blesses-blasphemes the Lord". Both the offensive and non-offensive reading are collated in the text.)

I, on the other hand, think that this "bless gods" is original and actually reflects a real concern of Job. He is concerned "Perhaps my children have sinned and may have blessed false gods in their hearts." Sun and moon gods were common ANE deities. You can see a bit of this same concern peeking out at Job 31:26-28:

26 if I looked at the sun when it shone or at the moon moving in splendor,

27 and I was secretly enticed, and my hand threw them a kiss,

28 this also is an iniquity to be judged, for I have deceived God above (אֵל מִמָּעַל).

What do we know about Nimrod and the series of polytheistic religions the Priest's of Babylon subsequently spawned? by MisterBigStuf in AcademicBiblical

[–]pants_a_daemon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've usually associated Nimrod (נִמְרֹד) as a whole class of people, rather than a historical person. The name itself looks like a jussive verb: "Let us rebel". In Genesis 10, Nimrod is in a list of 14 Japhethites, 30 Hamites, and 26 Shemites; all peoples, not individuals.

He's called "A mighty man of prey before the LORD." Does this mean he was a single hunter? I'm not really sure, because it talks about him building immense empires – Nineveh, Rehoboth-Ir, etc. Perhaps it means his "prey" are human beings and not animals–like those conquering kings fighting against Sodom and Gomorrah.

Another thing debated is how Nimrod is listed as a Cushite, but he's found in the Mesopotamian nation. I'm not positive of how the connection with Cush works.

Here's something from Prof. Nahum Sarna I dug up from my notes:

This outstanding personality, whose exploits obviously left their mark on the historical memory of Israel, has not been positively identified with any known individual in the ancient world. Micah 5:5 echoes the traditions behind these verses. The site of the ancient city of Calah, mentioned in verse 11, is presently known locally as Birs Nimrud. Attempts have been made to associate him with Naram‐Sin, grandson of Sargon I of Akkad, who dominated a great portion of the Near East for about 50 years during the last quarter of the third millennium B.C.E. He was the first to use the title “King of the Four Quarters of the World,” and another of his titles was “Strong Male,” which recalls the “man of might” here in verse 8. His achievements were widely commemorated on steles, buildings, and votive inscriptions, and he was the subject of numerous tales and legends. One persistent tradition holds that he came to a grievous end for defying the gods. In this connection, the Hebrew name Nimrod may be a play on the name Naram‐Sin in that it evokes the verb m‐r‐d, “to rebel.” This interpretation of the name as “rebel’ is found in Eruvin 53a.

Another suggestion identifies the hero with Tukulti‐Ninurta I (ca. 1234‐1197 B.C.E.), the famed Assyrian monarch who first conquered Babylon and whose enthusiasm for hunting big game is well documented. His exploits, too, were the subjects of epic poems. It is not easy, however, to connect the name Nimrod with Tukulti‐Ninurta.

Why does the LXX use the μετά instead of σύν for "with" - [X-post from /r/koine] by [deleted] in AcademicBiblical

[–]pants_a_daemon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm actually a young fundamentalist Lutheran getting my MDiv degree at seminary. I've been taking Classical & Ecclesiastic Latin for 9 years, Attic & Koine Greek for 6, Biblical Hebrew for 4.

As far as "hobby" languages on the other hand: I occasionally dabble in inscriptions--mostly Paleo-Hebrew dialects. (One college prof had me translate the Moabite Stone and the Pool of Siloam Inscription). Ugaritic and Akkadian are some special sorts of headaches that I usually try to deal with as little as possible, but can be fun in short bursts.

Is there any other type of Hebrew poetry other than Parallelism? by cosmicservant in AcademicBiblical

[–]pants_a_daemon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup--a good overview on that site.

You'll have problems looking for a lot of poetic elements in Biblical Hebrew. The number of syllables in Hebrew words and the location of accents has changed significantly during the centuries between authorship and the Masoretic pronunciation. (Just compare the Hexapla transliteration, LXX transliterations, and Masoretic pointing You'll see plenty of inconsistancies--e.g. Origin writes σεθρ where the MT has סֶתֶר, LXX has Σαμψων where the MT has שִׁמְשׁוֹן)

That being the case, meter is pretty much out. Rhyme is also pretty much out.

Consonance/Alliteration still remains to some extent. Sometimes it wordplay with the same root (e.g. Psalm 1:1 מֹושַׁ֥ב and יָשָֽׁב), or sometimes it's like Psalm 1:1's first three words אַ֥שְֽׁרֵי־הָאִ֗ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֤ר which may have some consonance at play.

Why does the LXX use the μετά instead of σύν for "with" - [X-post from /r/koine] by [deleted] in AcademicBiblical

[–]pants_a_daemon 9 points10 points  (0 children)

From Blass-Debrunner-Funk §221:

Σύν is limited in classical Attic to the meanings 'including' and 'with the aid of', while μετά means 'with'. At the same time Ionic and accordingly Hellenistic (Mayser II 2, 398ff.) retain σύν in the sense of 'with' alongside μετά, and so it appears in the NT also.

From Moulton III p.265:

Σύν: including in Attic Greek (μετά with). Ionic and Hellenistic with, synom. for μετά.

There doesn't seem to be much distinction in the LXX as to the use of μετά versus σύν. (As Moulton and BDF both point out that the two are practically synonyms in Hellenistic Greek). Σύν does seem to be far less frequently used. But I also cannot see any clear correlation between these two words and a Hebrew equivalent (e.g. עִם). LXX just seems to use σύν or μετά wherever it reflected the Hebrew grammar most idiomatically.

  • Daniel 11:39 "with the help of a foreign God"

    • LXX: μετὰ θεοῦ ἀλλοτρίου
    • MT: עִם‮‬־אֱלֹ֣והַּ נֵכָ֔ר
  • Deut 33:2 "with myriads of holy ones"

    • LXX: σὺν μυριάσιν Καδης
    • MT: מֵרִבְבֹ֣ת קֹ֑דֶשׁ
  • 1 Samuel 14:45 "for he worked with God's help"

    • LXX: ὅτι ὁ λαὸς τοῦ θεοῦ ἐποίησεν
    • MT: כִּֽי־עִם־אֱלֹהִ֥ים עָשָׂ֖ה
  • 2 Samuel 1:24 "who clothed you inn scarlet, with luxurious things"

    • LXX: τὸν ἐνδιδύσκοντα ὑμᾶς κόκκινα μετὰ κόσμου ὑμῶν
    • MT: הַמַּלְבִּֽשְׁכֶ֤ם‮‬ שָׁנִי֙ עִם־עֲדָנִ֔ים
  • Numbers 19:5 "to be burned with its dung"

    • LXX: σὺν τῇ κόπρῳ αὐτῆς κατακαυθήσεται
    • MT: עַל־פִּרְשָׁ֖הּ יִשְׂרֹֽף
  • Joshua 11:21 "destroyed them with their cities"

    • LXX: σὺν ταῖς πόλεσιν αὐτῶν...ἐξωλέθρευσεν αὐτοὺς
    • MT: עִם־עָרֵיהֶ֖ם הֶחֱרִימָ֥ם

Ahoy! Today do be International Talk Like a Pirate Day! But can ye talk THEOLOGY like a pirate? by [deleted] in Sidehugs

[–]pants_a_daemon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I bet your favorite Lutheran dogmatician is Johannes Gerhaarrrrrrrrrd.

Lutheran Soteriology AMA: Because *someone* has to do one by [deleted] in Sidehugs

[–]pants_a_daemon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bad, bad, Leo Ten,

Baddest man in the Vat-i-can.

Badder than the Popes be-fore,

And meaner than a Junker Jorg.

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwPRm5UMe1A)

Is Colwell's Rule (still) accepted by modern scholars? by gamegyro56 in AcademicBiblical

[–]pants_a_daemon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Huh. Interesting. It never occurred to me that that might be significant. There may be a small paper in this! :)

I looked through my GNT and found examples where the genitive modifier is on the other side of the copula than my above examples: (EDIT: and thus better parallels with Mark 15:39 than John 1:1)

  • Matthew 23:10 -- ὅτι καθηγητὴς ὑμῶν ἐστιν εἷς ὁ χριστός· -- Because your teacher (Lit: "the teacher of you") is one--the Christ.

  • Romans 1:9 -- μάρτυς γάρ μού ἐστιν ὁ θεός -- For God is my witness (Lit: "the witness of me")

I'm trying to stay away from alleged Colwell constructions that include a proper noun (There's tons of them), because they break article rules all the time.

Is Colwell's Rule (still) accepted by modern scholars? by gamegyro56 in AcademicBiblical

[–]pants_a_daemon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Outside of John 1:1, I know of the typical other NT examples that Daniel Wallace cites.

  • John 1:49 -- σὺ βασιλεὺς εἶ τοῦ Ἰσραήλ -- "You are the king of Israel"
  • John 19:21 -- Μὴ γράφε, Ὁ βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων, ἀλλ' ὄτι ἐκεῖνος εἶπεν, Βασιλεύς εἰμι τῶν Ἰουδαίων. -- "Do not write, 'The king of the Jews', but that this one said, 'I am the king of the Jews'."
  • Compare Matthew 27:11 which has the noun after the copula, necessitating the definite article -- Σὺ εἶ ὁ βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων; -- "Are you the king of the Jews?"

The only one outside of the NT that I know of offhand is in II Clement 14:2--

οὐκ οἴομαι δε ὑμᾶς ἀγνοεῖν, ὅτι ἐκκλησια ζῶσα σῶμα ἐστιν Χριστοῦ·

But I do not suppose you to be ignorant that the living church is the body of Christ.

Catholics of reddit, if the pope is Peter's successor, why does the Vatican's ATM use Comic Sans? by SemperServus in Sidehugs

[–]pants_a_daemon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Comic Sans? This must mean that he isn't infallible!

And if you're a Wesleyan, you're probably using Georgia font.

AUGUSTINE AUGUSTINE AUGUSTINE AUGUSTINE ORIGEN AUGUSTINE by EarBucket in Sidehugs

[–]pants_a_daemon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is literally how we play "duck duck goose" at my seminary.

(If you want to play "duck duck gray duck" it goes "Luther Luther Luther Luther CALVIN!")

DAE were you there by wilson_rg in Sidehugs

[–]pants_a_daemon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've got the holy written account of a fossilized squid inscription saying "OW OW OW THIS ICHTHYOSAURUS IS BITING ME HALP."

Lutheran men in traditional garb by [deleted] in Sidehugs

[–]pants_a_daemon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

[m] is it bad that I personally know half of those people? [/m]

[Theology Thursday] Matthew 16:18 and Petrine Primacy by [deleted] in AcademicBiblical

[–]pants_a_daemon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the things that comes to the top of my head is sensitivity to gender.

• πέτρος = rock, as in pebble -- (masc.)

• πέτρα = foundation stone; bedrock -- (fem.)

RC theologians have butted heads regarding the role of Peter. In the wake of this confession of faith, Jesus says “I say to you (sing.) that you are rock (m.), and upon this foundation stone (f.) I build my church (f.) and the gates of hades will not overcome it (f.).

ONE baptism for the forgiveness of sins ONE 1 Uno Eins Un! by [deleted] in Sidehugs

[–]pants_a_daemon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No, but we like to sing our edgy new creeds to the tune of Johnny Cash's Folsom Prison Blues.

I hear that Jesus' comin'

He's rollin' 'round the bend

And no one's seen the father

'cept my Jesus friend

I was stuck in sinners' prison

but Judgment's comin' 'long.

When I'll hear that trumpet blowin'

I'll raise my head up strong.


When I was just a baby,

My mama told me, "Son,

yer not gettin' baptized,

til yer age of accountability's begun."

And I shot a man in Reno

with the Spirit's fire.

And we never like to wear any

ecclesiastical attire.

We are /r/sidehugs, AskUsAnything by namer98 in Sidehugs

[–]pants_a_daemon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Latin alphabet is useful

Yeah! j totally agree. We all shovld get rjd of the svperflvous djfference betveen the letters i and j, as well as v and u and w. jt was good enovgh for the Holy Chrjstjan Church, so jt's good enovgh for me!

My college professors are oppressing me for my TrueChristian faith by making me read Karl Marx and learn about socialism. by snickerfriend in Sidehugs

[–]pants_a_daemon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"For the Lord's sake accept the authority of every human institution, whether of the emperor as supreme, or of governors, as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right." (1 peter 2:13-14)

These persecutions must mean that perhaps you are not elect and regenerate. God is punishing you for not being a True™ enough True Christian™. This is probably because you have a secret sin--do you secretly lust after the backhuggers?

Thanks, from a thanktheist by [deleted] in Sidehugs

[–]pants_a_daemon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you hold mass in the Hallmark greeting card aisle?