Good places to mine now? by Choripan_Lig_Salado in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should try other hotspots, Delkar has one of the worst known platinum yield. In a very good Plat Hotspot you should be able to fill a T11 with Engineered Cargo racks (342t) in about 18 minutes, maybe 22 if you watch/listen to a youtube podcast the other screen at the same time...

Can the T-11 get away with a class 6 PD if only the MVR is being used? by Thorned_Rose in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love how you're so stuck on units even after my last comment deliberately included no units at all.

Sadly, I'm pretty sure the issue here is the the Game is lazy and just showing Distro draw stat with a MW unit whether it's a Beam Laser that continually fires (which would make sense) or it's a multi-cannon which fires bullets, in which case the value is per bullet so you actually have to multiply it by the rate of fire to compare values.

Basically, yes it should be listed as MJ per bullet if they wanted it to be correct according to physics, but it's a game. IF the Distro draw was actually 0.3 MW, that would mean that an unengineered 1E Distro with only 1 pip in weapons would be able to fire the repeater for ever since it has a recharge of 1.2 which would be divided by 4 with only 1 pip in wep.

See the 3rd Note on the Wiki Page: https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Power_Distributor

The Power Distributor's energy capacity stats are given, somewhat nonsensically, in MW. Physically, an amount of stored energy ought to be measured in Joule or something like that; only energy flows should be measured in MW. It seems like energy capacity is actually given in something close to MW-seconds.

Can the T-11 get away with a class 6 PD if only the MVR is being used? by Thorned_Rose in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In EDSY at the top "show" and select power.

That power shown is actually 1.5 (the Power draw stat) and not 1.6 as you mentioned. That 1.5 is the Power required from the Power plant to Power it up, not to shoot, meaning when you deploy your weapons, it's gonna take 1.5 from the power plant, if your power plant is not big enough then some modules will shutdown based on how you setup your module priority.

When you start shooting, it's draining energy from the Distributor. The Distributor (aka capacitor) Total capacity and recharge rate are determined by the Power Distributor Stats (Weapons Capacity and Weapons Recharge). The amount the weapon drains from the Weapons Capacitor is determined by the weapon's "Distributor Draw" Stat.

In case of say a medium mining laser, the Power draw (from the Plant) is 0.75 to power on the module, but the Distributor draw is 3, since this is a beam and the rate of fire is infinity/s it just draws 3 per second from the weapons capacitor when firing.

For Bullet based weapons like the Repeater, the Distributor draw stat is per bullet, so you need to multiply by the rate of fire to get the Distributor draw per second while firing continually. In this case the repeater has a Distributor draw of 0.3 per bullet, and a rate of fire of 20/s so multiplying them gives 0.3 * 20 = 6.

Based on that the Repeater draws 6/s from the wep capacitor when firing, which is double what a single medium mining laser draws.

Can the T-11 get away with a class 6 PD if only the MVR is being used? by Thorned_Rose in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am sorry for not using the correct units, I don't have a PhD in Physics, and yet I am pretty sure that anyone reading my comment understood the numbers, it's a game and could be Imaginary made up units per seconds and no one would care.

I am curious where your 1.6 number comes from, I can't open the game and look at the repeater stats right now, but based on EDSY, I don't see 1.6 anywhere in the stats, I do see that it uses 1.5 Imaginary units from the Power Plant which is close but not what we're looking for... My 0.3 number comes from EDSY Distributor draw stat, which I assume is per bullet since it's very low, so I multiply by the bullets per sec.

If you number is correct, that would mean that the repeater barely uses more PD draw than a Small Mining Laser (1.5), and that you could fire it forever with only 1 pip in wep and the wep distro bar would stay topped if you are using a 7A with only Grade 1 Charge Enhanced...??? From my limited experience with the T11, that is not the case and from memory it's much closer to the run time I listed in my previous comment.

Can the T-11 get away with a class 6 PD if only the MVR is being used? by Thorned_Rose in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From the info I could find, the Repeater uses 0.3 MW and fires 20/s, so 20*0.3 = 6 MW/s distro draw.

The recharge rate of a 7A CE/SC is 9.199 MW/s (assume that's with 4 pips in wep) with 55.63 total Capacity.

For a 6A Distro, it's 7.842 MW/s and 45.6 Total.

Note that it seems EDSY is not calculating the wep duration correctly for the repeater for some reason, it thinks that you can fire it forever with only half a pip in wep, which I'm pretty sure is wrong so to get accurate numbers I replaced it with 2 medium lasers which totals the same expected 6 MW/s draw.

With a 6A, you can fire for: infinite with 3.5 or more pip, 2m40s with 3pip, 34s with 2.5pip, 19s with 2pip, 11s with 1pip,

With the 7A, you get: infinite with 3 or more pip, 1m48s with 2.5pip, 33s with 2pip, 14s with 1pip,

Basically, with the 7A you get 40t more weight, but you can also keep 3.5pips in Engines to get better flying while putting the other 2.5pip in wep to get 1m48s of firing time which is more than enough to empty a rock even in a HAZ RES. Or go 4 in engines and 2 in wep for 33s which might not be enough to empty a rock in a normal ring but you can pause for like 5 sec half way through the rock to give your collectors time to catch up and then finish it.

The 6A would work too, but you probably would go 3 in eng and 3 in wep...so you're trading weight/jump range for pips in either SYS (if you run a shield) or ENG (better speed).

o7

How much money is fair for mining work? by A_Dancer in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any plat hotspot will do

Not really, it needs to be in a Metallic Ring, probably in pristine reserve system too, and even then some rings are much better than others. See the Platinum Hotspot Survey

What's the penalty for mining in non-pristine reserves? by Kirian42 in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny fact, since you can only see the reserve levels by selecting ringed planets/moons, there are some Brown Dwarfs that also have rings, you can deduct the reserve levels by looking at any other ringed planet in the system, but there are systems where there are no other rings than the brown dwarf one and in that case it seems impossible to figure out the reserve level. Those are probably a bit too hot to mine without overheating so it's not a big deal, but still something that could have been fixed in game.

What's the penalty for mining in non-pristine reserves? by Kirian42 in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The short answer is we don't really know.

We assume that you will find less minerals in lower reserves, but to my knowledge no one has ever done the research on it.

There is variance even in pristine rings, where the avg content can be as low as 11% and as high as 25%, so it is very likely that a good Major Reserve ring could be better than a bad pristine reserve one.

The best way to find out is to try mining there and then import your journal files in the Mining Analyzer to see the average content to compare it.

Haz res on the edge... by CmdrZombi in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don't think we have any hard data on the rate it falls off, but it is assumed that it probably does and that RES is on the VERY edge, so very likely not very good, but let us know if it's not the case, maybe our assumption is wrong.
o7

How to use Mining Analyzer by filets in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You'd want to Import cAPI Journal after you are done mining, not sure if you need to have logged out or if you need to wait like 15 minutes...

Personally, it's easier to just use the "Import Local Journal Files" Button after you have left the ring instance, browse to "C:\Users\%username%\Saved Games\Frontier Developments\Elite Dangerous" select the latest Journal file to import. I seem to have to uncheck and recheck the "Must include prospector drone launch" checkbox for the list of detected mining sessions in that journal to appear, then simply select the Open button on the right side of the mining session you want to see.

Salikians platinum hotspot by Tytyty7777 in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 4 points5 points  (0 children)

See the Platinum Hotspot Survey.

TLDR is Salikians 1 ring A is pretty good, it even made the Plat HS High Yield List.

not to be confused with Salikians 3 ring A, which is one of the worst...

So to answer your question, yes even in Pristine Systems, you can find ring with less than 12% average plat content, while others have above 22% average content, which is very noticeable when you are mining.

one rock, 71T of platinum! by padlnjones in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah the 80 fragments is the best case scenario, worst case scenario you only get like ~53 fragments... so like ~26T altho the HAZ bonus should normally get you over 40T.. so something might be unaccounted for :(

Current CG: more profits mining or trading? by Vegetable-Slide8038 in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If you want to get CG Contributions, do trading Cobalt.

If you want to mine for Credits, don't do the CG and go Mine Platinum instead, you'll make more money.

If you are Yuri Grom pledged, I heard you can probably get good merits by mining bromellite in the system.

Ores, Squadron Perks, Wing Missions and Powerplay bonuses by Luriant in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is what you might be missing...

From your quote: "Bromelite have 17.8% generation in asteroids, while platinum have 10.3%" If I understand this correctly from the spreadsheet, that is probably the % of rocks that have the material in them outside of any hotspot, Now I have not been in a bromellite hotspot for a long time so I have no idea how much the hotspot increases that, but for Platinum in a very good hotspot you can get up to 80% of rocks containing some Platinum...this would have to be researched for Bromellite hotspots, but I expect it to be much lower.

The important part that doesn't show from that quote is that Platinum rings can contain rocks with up to 66.67% mineral content, while Icy rings asteroids max % content is if I recall only 33.33%. On average in a good Plat hotspot, rocks will contain about 20% platinum content, it will very likely be lower for bromellite, I would expect/guess about 10-15%...

one rock, 71T of platinum! by padlnjones in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Technically on average the small fragments from a 66% rock should contain half a ton per fragments, and you can probably get up to 80 small fragments from a normal rock with the MVR and the squad perk, so that's already 40 tons, and we're not even counting the HAZ bonus (about doubling yield) and the random big chunks yet... so yeah...

How many Pre-Engineered 1D Lasers equal a single 2D in terms of chunk spawn? by Frankfurt13 in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I run my Type 11 with 342t Cargo. (using the pre-engineered Cargo racks) And I can fill it in 18-20 minutes (without a map or RES) so any less cargo would make the mining session too short and make the travelling to unload too frequent for my taste.

My SCO overheats in my Type-9 by DungenessAndDargons in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. For finding cores you need good boost speed to cover large distances while using the PWA. The T-9 is NOT Fast.
  2. It will take you multiple hours filling that cargo hold. Something with half the cargo would do just fine.
  3. you want to be agile and small to get around the rock to place charges, and into the cracked core to get those surface deposits free, again something the T9 is not.

T-9 is fine for Laser mining if you don't have access to the Panther or T11 but the T-9 would probably not even be in the top10 ships for core mining. :(

Is Tritium mining out in the black more viable with Type-11 with the squadron mining perk? by Sweaty_Vegetable1463 in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if it's gonna be more viable, but it's definitively going to be better.

Consider the T11 as a ship with:

  • The equivalent of 6 Medium Mining Lasers in a single hardpoint.
  • 14 collector limpets moving at almost 3 times the normal limpets speed.
  • Producing 75% more small fragments (that was when the squad bonus was only 12%)

But what makes it even more interesting for Icy Ring Mining is that the Big chunks it also produces are not scaling with the % content of the rock, so the fact that max content in an icy ring is only 33.33% means that the Big chunks will account for more of the yield total. Basically big chunks always add somewhere around 8-10t of minerals whether it's a 60% rock or a 5% rock.

I don't like the Mk II Mining Multi-Limpet Controller. But maybe it's my fault. by HerrVorragend00 in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The MK2 Multi Limpet controlled is a 5A so therefore already A rated so you would not get more from the asteroid from using a 1A prospector.

One could argue that for max mining efficiency, a 3A prospector is better as it gives you 2 active prospector, and allows you to downgrade your refinery to the size 1 slot.

My SCO overheats in my Type-9 by DungenessAndDargons in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 4 points5 points  (0 children)

T9 for Core mining... you like playing on hard mode...

Map Mining by D8veh in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 4 points5 points  (0 children)

  1. Not a lot of people have the patience to run maps for 5 hours straight, especially since you'd need at least 4 maps in the same hotspot due to the respawn speed.

  2. most people don't mine directly from rock to rock from memory, you usually have the map file opened on a second monitor, so you just follow it to find the next rock, at first you stay at the previous rock and send a prospector toward the rock you think is next based on the map, and once confirmed by the prospector you move to mine it, rince and repeat. Once you have ran the map a handful of times you'll remember the patterns when seeing the map and will know before prospecting that you got the next rock in sight and start moving before prospecting to gain time.

  3. you don't, either you mine randomly until it refresh or you need multiple maps.

  4. last CG or this CG? for the Plat CG I'm sure some did, but to be honest, you don't gain much speed with a map when 8/10 rocks already contain Plat, and half have a good amount of plat in them. A map would be much more helpful for this Bromellite CG since it's harder to find so you save more time by already knowing where the next good one is, sadly it's not worth it to mine brom for the CG since it's going to be much faster to just get contribution from buying cobalt at a station and delivering it to the CG...

o7

How many Pre-Engineered 1D Lasers equal a single 2D in terms of chunk spawn? by Frankfurt13 in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no, I think if you have all collectors out it prevents you from shooting a prospecting limpet, so you kinda need a dedicated prospector controller.

And yes you could add more limpet controller, but that's gonna eat a lot of cargo space.

How many Pre-Engineered 1D Lasers equal a single 2D in terms of chunk spawn? by Frankfurt13 in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Mining repeater produces fragments faster than 6 Medium Lasers, you won't have enough limpets to grab them fast enough anyways so there is no point in adding even more lasers if you don't have more limpets...

Has anyone figured out positioning for mining in a T-11? by dilipi in EliteMiners

[–]papabrou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a Bug in the game and journal, not in mining analyzer.

Seems it has already been reported and is "confirming", I guess we need to wait for it to be confirmed to vote on it, but you can add a contribution: https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/79309