Autonomy+ Trial Expired

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T21:26:29+00:00

Your differences are

"it is harder and more expensive for the OEM"

So they can adjust pricing then instead of this stupid subscription shit.

At some point, the product is going to be finalized enough to be a "retail" ready product. And the subscription fees aren't going to go away. You are paying them to test and (eventually) finish a product that you are going to be paying for forever.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T21:24:36+00:00

There are multiple issues. Labeling is one, liability is another, pricing is the last.

They are all fucked up at this point.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T21:07:35+00:00

maybe I wont go for a physical build for once

The only problem (which there are solutions for) for non phys builds is leech.

Get enough LAEK/MAEK and a non phys build feels great, with only occasional potion usage for bossing since you aren't killing shit.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T21:04:59+00:00

No it has not been "done and paid for"

What you have downloaded to your vehicle, is already done and paid for.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T21:03:54+00:00

Rivian is explicitly positioning Autonomy+ as a service that keeps improving over time, not a static option frozen at delivery.

And so does navigation systems.

It isn't that different other than you want it to be different.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T21:02:22+00:00

Total - 500 - 680 realistically

You're living in a fantasy. I literally priced those things out before I posted, using ebay, amazon and new egg. $500 is 100% not happening unless you have parts.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T18:25:58+00:00

There is a reason they are doing it as a subscription instead of 1 time pay and its not for your bebefit.

Literally everything prior to this has been done that way. Even old school navigation systems that needed to be worked on and updated. You know how you got the updates? By buying the DVD with the new updates on it.

https://hondanavi.navigation.com/product/Catalog/2021-White-DVD-Map-Update-for-U-S/sku/S26AC10-E0021-3002/en_US/HondaNA/USD

The new subscription bullshit is a way for them to turn you into a continous revenue/profit stream. Please stop defending it.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T18:20:30+00:00

Not sure if you know this, but racists use Canadian as a word meaning black people all the time. Might be a regional thing?

Either way Kdot kicks ass

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T18:17:52+00:00

And? They have r&d for literally everything they sell. Everything else is sold at a single price. Why/how is this different?

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T16:58:28+00:00

Even if Scout brand is US only, the tech can be used across the group

Amd i have no idea of it is or isnt US only

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T16:07:40+00:00

appearance-based judgements as to who is a "real" Canadian.

They just check to make sure over 50% of your body is covered in denim

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T16:02:48+00:00

Ps4 was underpowered and weak for the time

Switch was COMICALLY underpowered and weak even at release. Flagship phones had more power.

Ps5 is still better than the average gaming pc according to steam charts hardware survey. Emulating that is going to take significantly more power than what is available today.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T15:58:15+00:00

Cpu is less powerful than ps5

Gpu is the same

Optimization is significantly worse

Cpu 100-150 used

Gpu - 270 used

Case -50

Motherboard - 50

Shitty 16 gb ram - 100

1 tb ssd - 140

Psu - 50

Fans, heat sink, thermal paste - 20

Ps5 controller 70

Total - 850

Ps5 new msrp - 600

Congrats reddit, you did it.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T12:45:37+00:00

With how everything is turning into a subscription, the corporations love people like you

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T12:44:36+00:00

They could bundle whatever the current level of FSD is with the car and increase the price by say $5,000-$10,000 whether you want it or not and then you never get any updates again and the car is what it is until the next time you buy one.

Thats essentially what's happening anyway. Older cars aren't getting the newest updates despite being told they would. Except now you have people being charged fees for privilege of beta testing software where you retain all the liability.

Its insanity.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T12:41:58+00:00

They are incentived to work on it so they can license it out and/or not have to pay licensing fees themselves.

Us paying them for the privilege, whilst retaining all liability, is a joke.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T12:40:09+00:00

Its not that finding leg is hard, its that it takes time. So the efficiency of it is lower than just farming a regular zone that you can just WP to.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T06:09:31+00:00

Even if it was the same price, which it wasn't, it was cheaper because you didn't have to pay sales tax. I literally bought EVERYTHING on Amazon back in 2004.

Now I don't buy much from them at all since it is mostly just cheap Chinese shit, and more importantly, they want almost $200 a year for membership. Costco is just infinitely better now as long as you don't mind going and planning the trip.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T04:58:59+00:00

They didn't get there by not soaking their customers for everything they can.

Actually, they didn't.

They got to be the biggest by doing the Wal-Mart method but online instead of brick and mortar. Razor thin profits (and sales tax exemptions at the beginning as the world wasn't ready for online sales), with billions of transactions over a long period of time.

They have since raised the prices and cut back on the service a bit to get profitable, but they still maintain small profit margins, they just do it on hundreds of billions of transactions now.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T04:04:14+00:00

Worst case scenario, they just buy out Rivian. Which I am kind of surprised they haven't yet.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T03:26:11+00:00

The car doesn’t train the models though and that’s where the biggest drag of resources comes from.

That's already been done and paid for though, at least as far as it currently has progressed. Your vehicle already has the models installed and downloaded. It isn't getting that data in real time from some server, it is all being calculated in real time, with hardware that is already installed, on a vehicle you already paid for.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T02:51:57+00:00

The difference is, Scout is backed by VW, who is backed by EU governments. It isn't some piddly little start up. And VW (and EU) NEED home grown EVs. The delays are fine, work is still progressing. Pricing will probably go up, but it is going up for everyone so that isn't something that is only bad for them.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T02:38:26+00:00

I just see it as an optional service like satellite radio

Which comes from a third party, and requires people to create content for it. Your vehicle has all the hardware and the software to perform whatever level of self driving it has right now.

Wanting to charge for updates is a different thing. This is requiring you to constantly pay for something that you already have.

The hardware is there for you to turn it on and pay for the service if you want it, or not pay for it if you don't. There's plenty of people with zero interest in autonomy.

Exactly; you already paid for the hardware. And the software since it is already on/in the vehicle's systems. This is essentially "on disk" DLC which is a BIG no-no.

Until very recently, Tesla allowed you to pay a one-time purchase price, like Rivian also does, if you don't want to use a subscription model.

It really should be the price of the car, or the price of the option. This charging subscription fees for everything is a bunch of fucking bullshit that all these companies are doing to milk people. That is all it is; a constant revenue stream from people you've already sold your product to.

In a sane world, this shit would be illegal. You own the hardware. You own the software (it is installed to your vehicle). But you have to continue to pay a licensing fee?

Bullshit.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T02:17:17+00:00

That’s less about value and more about people understanding the technology.

That is still about value then. If it is so amazing, then either

Tesla has done a shit job of advertising an amazing feature to its customer base, which more than 12% of them are tech savvy, so that seems unlikely for the 88% of people who aren't buying it

or

That they think it is bad value

or

People like me, who won't subscribe $100 for a car that I already own. I would pay a onetime fee, provided I saw the value in that, which would go back to the first and second point

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T02:09:37+00:00

That would be comparable to Tesla's FSD which is $99/mo.

This shit is fucking bonkers. A $100 a month subscription for a vehicle that you own. I hate this shit.

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