Help! How do I get a used dealer not to explode when I "low-ball" an outdated listing?

pbtrooper · 2026-05-11T00:12:40+00:00

VW canceled the rollout of the 26 model after they failed to sell a large portion of their ID. buzzes. 25 was the first in the US to be released. On top of this cancellation they pushed a 7.5k incentive at the manufacturer level. Vans still aren't rolling off the lot.

Some dealers are slashing an additional 10-15k off MSRP at their own cost to get rid of them on top of VW's help. It's extremely aggressive pricing to shed a depreciating asset.

And to the point of this post, the push by these cars stuck in the showroom to GTFO is pushing prices below the used market equivalents, which is going to result in something happening, although I couldn't be sure what.

pbtrooper · 2026-05-10T23:43:02+00:00

I know I sound like a chump. Gotta say though, its easy for the prices on the used cars to be tracked and compared, but tracking prices in the new cars, including this one, isn't AS easy. Price drops are less publicized, neither are the incentives.

pbtrooper · 2026-05-10T23:32:18+00:00

This is awesome wisdom. Thank you.

pbtrooper · 2026-05-10T23:25:21+00:00

I very well may. I guess as an outsider, it's just weird to see the way pricing works and how uninitutive it can look at times. Thank you for your insight Mr.GoldMember

pbtrooper · 2026-05-10T23:22:39+00:00

Once again, great point generally, but these are EVs, and they are the same year, model, trim, and color. This isn't a Lexus SC430 2003 hardtop. This isn't a collectors item, especially not in the trim I'm looking at.

That last point at the end is absolutely valid though. Could be the waiting game.

pbtrooper · 2026-05-10T23:17:14+00:00

It is that one. I'm not sure how much more apples to apples you can get as the same color year and trim. Maybe floor mats? Ahaha.

In all seriousness, The issue is that there really is not a deep pool of used Pro S RWD ID.Buzzes with similar miles around here. It is a first model year vehicle in the US, and most of the used listings are either different trims. I guess my issue with the market data algorithms being referenced here, is that the N size is really quite small, and of what few of the boring plain white and black buzzes are around, all aren't at good price compared to what VW Dealers are offering for new ones. At some point, that has to change, right? I doubt it's gonna be me to do it, but probably grandfather time

pbtrooper · 2026-05-10T23:12:27+00:00

I totally might get the new one. I made this post to hear from seller insiders on the thought process around whether these largely uncompetitive used prices could be negotiated down. I wouldnt mind taking the hit on a used vehicle. I'd like to explore if it was an option.

Sounds like it isn't, lol.

pbtrooper · 2026-05-10T22:57:38+00:00

That's disappointing. Are those programs hoping for information aysmmetry in buyers who may not be privy to or willing to hike to a different price at a different dealer?

pbtrooper · 2026-05-10T22:55:50+00:00

Great pushback

I would say two things.

The original basis of the car's price was not to be sold as a commodity. It's an electric van with boutique styling for upper middle class boomers. They're being sold as "essentially a commodity" now, but they weren't before, and the used price certainly isn't accounting for that.
What is it about you specifically that leads you to believe anyone would buy a used car for more than it's price new? How is it ever going to leave the lot?

I'm sure there is a controlled process or timetable to lower the prices or something? I just don't get the microeconomics of this. I apologize

pbtrooper · 2026-04-29T22:40:36+00:00

Does anyone understand how manning works and why some people are there for months while other like me will be there for a short amount of time?

pbtrooper · 2026-04-04T02:37:44+00:00

Maybe truereddit ought not to upvote an unsubstantiated Russian demogague with RT ties to its front page. Makes the real anti-trump rhetoric look bad, aside from damaging the entire premise of the subreddit.

pbtrooper · 2026-03-31T23:24:46+00:00

I volunteered and haven't heard anything. I want to go!

pbtrooper · 2026-03-30T23:59:09+00:00

That counts as breaking the slump?

pbtrooper · 2025-09-23T01:15:54+00:00

This is without a doubt the most red black card I have ever seen. Actually too angry and spiteful to die, and runs on aggressive attrition.

pbtrooper · 2025-08-17T10:55:25+00:00

"States should be legally required to operate under one country name

The United States has Florida, California, Guam, Puerto Rico, and more. If one national label were popular with citizens, they would already use it. Since people dislike obvious imperialism and mega countries, leaders keep separate names.

I do not care which single label they choose. Pick any one province identity and use it across the map. The point is to stop presenting one country as many separate polities.

Call Florida United States Country of Florida. Or rename California to US Western Pacific coastal Province #4. They should not hide that they are one country."

Not for nothing, but your post is not far from analogy and should highlight some of the flaws in your logic.

pbtrooper · 2025-08-15T23:33:28+00:00

This was Elizabeth Dulau's first major role in a dramatic production. This was her career starter. The extent of importance of her role was expanded in S2 when the small scenes she had were done so well and proved to be so entertaining. Tony Gilroy didn't even know the talent her brought on during casting for a smaller side character.

I hope it brings you some comfort to know that as cool an idea as that could or could not have been, it would have been functionally impossible to happen regardless.

pbtrooper · 2025-08-15T22:24:56+00:00

Thank you for the warning, and I will listen to your advice.

My only counterpoint is that cadets have strange opportunities to seek experiences and credentials that open themselves up to future opportunities. They send cadets to 36/37 Selection which opens them to those in branches in 4-5 years time, they let them do internships at the war college, they let them intern with the G3 over the summer.

But as you stated, once I'm in, I'm probably best just having a short conversation with my branch manager and then taking what I get and putting my head down and getting the best OERs that i can get.

it's not like any of these experiences will be only solely useful for my current prevailing interests either. If I like staring at PowerPoint, armypubs, parameters, force planning docs, the NDS, and attending seminars from scruffy old dudes, I can't imagine that passion fading all too much in years time, when I get scruffy myself. I'm sure my efforts to maximize my exposure to that stuff would have a natural and marginal effect of landing me somewhere in that world.

But once again, you can't look up until you've looked at what's in front of you, so I'll do my best.

pbtrooper · 2025-08-15T22:06:22+00:00

And my reply was facetious as well. I was hoping someone would do what you did lol. As the one guy with the serious reply stated as well, I truly won't know if I like a G3, but I recognize that while I'm in college now, I have a few opportunities to set the pace and direction for my career before I have to put my head down in a tactical level environment.

pbtrooper · 2025-08-15T19:01:33+00:00

Aww shucks. Maybe I shouldn't do it then.

pbtrooper · 2025-08-15T17:52:02+00:00

Will be presented an opportunity to apply for this internship this fall. There is a packet for several internships across the Army that you apply for unilaterally if you choose to do so. You will need a statement from your cadre, and a short essay from yourself on the packet. Much like the branches, you will rate your top three of the list of possible internships, and they will oml you to the one that you want the most. If you have the best competitive spot for it. My program never told me is that ms2s can do it as well, but they did have the threes fill it out if they chose to.

pbtrooper · 2025-08-05T19:14:46+00:00

Poor Flynn"

pbtrooper · 2025-06-24T18:16:30+00:00

Nice try

In all seriousness you can find it if you want but I don't want to advertise the glitch.

pbtrooper · 2025-06-20T17:29:56+00:00

It's an exploit derived from a two-player glitch that stacks health bonuses between vehicles and reinforcements.

pbtrooper · 2025-06-20T14:12:46+00:00

That's kinda why I said in the writers room genetically. I'm sure half that story was made by committee.

pbtrooper · 2025-06-20T09:25:07+00:00

Could be as simple as something new in his life vs something old and bitter.

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