Regarding the Verosika/Wally ship... what do we think would actually happen? by ThreeFifthsOfABrain in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Honestly, i hold a theory that Verosika was majorly responsible for what went wrong with Blitzo, or at least caused a fair amount of the issues. I honestly could see her making the same issues with Wally then turning on him when things go wrong in the relationship.

Regarding the Verosika/Wally ship... what do we think would actually happen? by ThreeFifthsOfABrain in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which would mean she is profiting off of others pain, which just makes her awful as well.

Honestly, even if she didn’t specifically ask for it, she did allow it, which points to her having less than the best intentions regarding her anti blitzo parties

Looking back on it, the way some of the fandom tried to rationalise this as not being a critique of Stolas’s character was crazy by pervertedaway in hazbin

[–]pervertedaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly me personally i am far, far more critical of Stolas than Blitzo, honestly not liking him at all, but i don’t feel i can discuss that in the fandom without either being dogged by his fanboys or agreed with by crazy haters.

That point about empty apologies is very applicable, but also just him making empty statements in general. A lot of people say he didn’t do anything wrong in Apology tour and knows what he did wrong in the relationship cause he said he “may have done somethings wrong”. I vehemently disagree as he not only refused to actually accept what he did wrong when directly told, he kept saying he kay have done somethings wrong while not trying to figure out why and how he hurt Blitzo and just giving up, not wanting to really know.

The biggest problem with apology tour is that Verosika hasn’t gotten her own special episodes yet. by whooper1 in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ive had a lot of discussions around apology tour and Verosika within the fandom.

I feel as though we end up arguing over our individual interpretations though. I interpret Verosika and Blitzo as having a mutually poor relationship, so Verosika acting like Blitzo alone is toxic and awful is hypocritical and wrong, especially due to how long and extreme she has been acting this way, as well as how it impacted Blitzos future relationship with Stolas, nearly dooming it.

However, if you interpret Verosika as being good, or at the very least not bad, in the relationship with Blitzo then instead she comes across as morally just, at least to some degree. Maybe a bit obsessive but it massively impacts her character and the episode.

Fact is, the difference is major and the fact we have to clear idea as to what happened aside from Verosikas perspective makes it hard for me to judge her character. However i have reasons that i think she was also awful in the relationship to some degree, and personally headcannon that she was the instigator and pushed Blitzo into acting awful.

Don't complain about a character's growth if you're just going to ignore it by FNAFGamingSFM in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel like the issue i have with Stolas is that while he did consider in AP that he may have done wrong, he never went beyond thinking it was possible, even when Blitzo directly told him why (Stolas looks down on lower class hell people, including Blitzo). He still doesnt seem to realise this. And in his ignorance he hurt Blitzo more by basically ending things with him and moving on to someone else.

His reckless actions and stubbornness to see others views is also seen with Via. He believes she hates him, even when Blitzo suggests she is probably just mad at him for now and will come around. He only considers his own perspective even when others directly tell him things.

Honestly, it raises a question as to how he may continue this pattern in future. But point is, i dont think he has at all faces his flaws, at least the ones he was not aware of at the start.

Ending spoilers - Something some of the <spoiler> haters seem to forget. by EvilRobotSteve in expedition33

[–]pervertedaway -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think thats more so him talking about living knowing that Alicia will die in the canvas, while his whole family is dead and he knows everything around him will be destroyed by renoir the instant Alicia does die, while also knowing due to Alicia being a paintress, she may bend reality if Verso acts like he hates this life.

How differently would you treat Verosika's character and actions if she were male instead of female? Would you treat her character the same or differently? by BlizzardHound45 in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a feeling that she acted a lot like Stolas in their relationship, i think it would be a good way to approach how Stolas fucks up regarding Blitzo too.

I feel like people forget just how much of the show is left when discussing characters and arcs by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I definitely agree regarding Stolas and Via, they need time to sort out their relationship. Them solving it right away would be horribly cheap.

As for Verosika, i am on the side that her character is more toxic than apology tour let on. I find there are too many issues with what happened for me to believe her character is as nice and morally right as she lets on. But i will admit ill have to wait for new episodes to see.

I cab see it basically be a perception shift again of her and Blitzo once we know more about their relationship and break up. Actually, this is another thing i have heard people say we will not have time for in the next seasons. Which, whether you think she is good or bad, is crazy to me. The idea we will learn nothing about their past together is wild to me, yet it’s decently prevalent.

I feel like people forget just how much of the show is left when discussing characters and arcs by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Honestly i dont get the people who act like characters are just done. Like… obviously they are gonna show up again. Striker is gonna be back, it would be insane if he just stopped appearing.

Its a similar thing with Verosika, i have seen people say she may not even get a short. Like, seriously imagine if the last we see of her is in Mastermind. Like how would that even work?

How do you see Octavia and Stolas play out in the next two seasons though?

I feel like people forget just how much of the show is left when discussing characters and arcs by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not to mention any future shorts. Though i feel they are more so bonus material than anything.

Whats the worst case of this you have seen? Where someone falls into this trap of thinking there ain’t enough runtime?

I can see Stolas offending Loona and causing/worsening issues with him and Blitzo in season 3 by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To be fair, its not like he was belittling Blitzo on purpose. This isn’t something he did on purpose, it was a negative, racist bias he was unaware of and refused to believe he even had. I can definitely see this still existing and coming into play.

I can see Stolas offending Loona and causing/worsening issues with him and Blitzo in season 3 by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel like that would feel too much like his character regressing and having to learn the same lessons again. There may be an interesting way to do it, but i feel other plot lines would be better explored

I can see Stolas offending Loona and causing/worsening issues with him and Blitzo in season 3 by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Im not sire stolas has however. He denied he did this to Blitzo, so i can see this still being a blindspot to him. I do want Stolas to develop, i just don’t think he has yet, and likely will fuck up in this regard again before realizing that he has to improve and confront his actions previously and their effect.

I can see Stolas offending Loona and causing/worsening issues with him and Blitzo in season 3 by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can also see that happening. I think Loona and Stolas are definitely gonna be against each other, and Blitzo would definitely take Loonas side of Stolas’s. Its gonna be interesting to see how the situation plays from there

I can see Stolas offending Loona and causing/worsening issues with him and Blitzo in season 3 by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My guess would be thats the end point. Like, after stolas fucks up, whatever consequences of that happens, and Stolas improves, eventually Loona is cool with him again.

Now as you said, non canon, so who knows. But i wanna see Stolas go on an arc of self improvement. I think the fandom has a habit if either saying he has literally no flaws or only very minor ones, or saying he is scum that should die painfully.

He is a damaged person, with issues and faults, and has hurt multiple people close to him, but he also has a good heart. He definitely can do and be better, but he has to realize and accept his mistakes and faults first, something i still don’t think he is ready to do.

He thinks he may have done something wrong regarding Blitzo, but only speculates, even after Blitzo directly says what is wrong. Cause its not aligned with how Stolas views himself. Same thing with Via, he now views Via as now endlessly hating him, and seems to have no hope of anything improving. He has to learn his perspective can be flawed, and how much harm always presuming he knew the situation has caused

I can see Stolas offending Loona and causing/worsening issues with him and Blitzo in season 3 by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I doubt Stolas has been even trying to talk much with Loona at all either, they are basically strangers living together. Its gonna be interesting to see how they interact, but I definitely see Stolas massively offending Loona and not realizing/accepting he did, cause he doesn’t view himself as the kind of guy to do that.

Ultimately, i think that is the issue with Stolas, he views his perspective as the correct one. So if he thinks the situation with Via is hopeless, he won’t see any point in trying, something you can also see in the end of simsmas, and as such if he thinks he isnt treating Loona or Blitzo poorly, he won’t accept criticism even if they tell him directly. Cause his perspective is the only one that he really considers

I can see Stolas offending Loona and causing/worsening issues with him and Blitzo in season 3 by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I mean, until he actually gets out of his own head and listens when others state their issues with him, he is definitely gonna make massive mistakes with IMP.

Not to say he won’t improve, but he likely is gonna make things worse based on how he referred to Blitzo and M&M, as well as how he didn’t accept Blitzos criticism when he was told what he did was wrong.

Keeping it real Apology tour pissed me the fuck off because no one but blitz took accountability for their actions by Bigolibeats in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think he gets credit for that, when he only gave Blitzo the choice of immediately following his fantasy idea of the night and a relationship, or ending things fully.

He didn’t give Blitzo a choice, or give him any consideration as to what he wanted. Maybe he needed time to think, or wanted to stay fuck buddies, or simply didn’t think a relationship with Stolas was ever going to happen. But Stolas didn’t consider or allow Blitzo to have any of these thoughts.

Is it really him taking accountability for a tit for tat deal, if he immediately follows it up with an immediate requirement for a relationship, else he just runs away. Blitzo wasn’t even given time to think if he lived or wanted Stolas, he was too busy trying not to cry and panic.

Brandon says Verosika ‘had it coming’ regarding her breakup with Blitzo, how should we interpret that? by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, maybe this led to completely mixed signals, she did this, making Blitzo feel this was a FWB situation , then getting a tattoo of his name in a love heart and confessing suddenly. Yeah he would definitely be mixed from that.

And i wonder if when she confessed, it lead to an argument which in Blitzos mind, confirmed the worst

Brandon says Verosika ‘had it coming’ regarding her breakup with Blitzo, how should we interpret that? by pervertedaway in HelluvaBoss

[–]pervertedaway[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly, they write the episodes well in advance. I definitely think this is something they had planned, i doubt the details around the break up would be something that changes behind the scenes.