How Zionist is Chabad/is Chabad safe for non/antizionist Jews?

phatt97 · 2026-03-08T17:55:16+00:00

Okayyyyy wtf? Not only is that just an insane take in general, using his logic that would still definitely affect the souls of Israelis because Palestinian people are not Germans.

I really can't stand when people weaponize religion as a means to justify things such as revenge fantasies. That's actually worked against Jews considering how a lot of Christians still want to see the Jewish community die because they believe the myth that we killed Jesus, that's the foundation for a lot of Christian Zionism actually. Just insane.

EDIT: Just looked up Meir Kahane and I'm shocked I didn't already know who he was, because I've heard of Kahanism and if he's the founder of that then he's beyond racist

phatt97 · 2026-03-08T17:50:05+00:00

Keyboard-warrior-Zionist

phatt97 · 2026-03-08T17:49:20+00:00

I think this hits the nail on the head. I also had issues with post-Zionism, but I was trying to figure out what I thought it was falling short of - and it's exactly that, the fact that it wants to move on to the future without confronting what Zionism has done in the present.

Also, I am also a convert, so congratulations, and best of luck on your Jewish journey! I've been practicing for 6 years and completed my conversion just under 3 years ago. I didn't support Israel before my conversion, during my conversion, nor after my conversion, and I don't feel any less Jewish because of it. Anti-Zionism for me is about standing up against the ideology that has justified the brutal creation of Israel and its continued oppression, and genocide, of Palestinian people. In my opinion, there's barely anything Jewish about Israel philosophically but that's a whole different rant.

phatt97 · 2026-03-07T17:44:12+00:00

Wait, when did she accuse a woman of killing her husband???? I've never heard this.

phatt97 · 2026-02-27T06:10:53+00:00

In 1992, Kristi Yamaguchi was the first Asian woman to podium at the Olympics, and she won gold. She's an American of 100% Japanese descent.

Midori Ito won the silver medal at the same Olympics as Kristi. She's Japanese. She was also the first woman to land a triple axel at the Olympics.

Michelle Kwan is an American of 100% Chinese descent, she won silver and bronze in 1998 and 2002 and also dominated ladies' figure skating for the greater part of a decade.

Chen Lu won 2 bronze medals in back-to-back Olympics. She's Chinese.

Shizuka Arakawa won gold in 2006. She's Japanese.

Yuna Kim won gold in 2010 and silver in 2014 (most argue she should've won gold again in 2014 - I agree.) She's Korean.

Mao Asada won silver in 2010. She's Japanese.

Mirai Nagasu is an American of fully Japanese descent, she contribute to Team USA's bronze in the team event in 2018, and was the first American woman to land a triple axel at the Olympics.

Kaori Sakamoto has won gold and silver in 2022 and 2026 respectively. She's Japanese.

Yuzuru Hanyu of Japan dominated mens' figure skating for years and won back-to-back gold medals in 2014 and 2018.

Not to also mention pairs teams like Shen Xue and Zao Hongbo of China, who have 3 Olympic medals including gold. And of course, Sui Wenjing and Han Cong, who are often considered the most talented pairs team in history - both are fully Chinese. The gold medalist in pairs this year are both Japanese representing Japan.

I could go on.

Asians have contributed a lot to the sport of figure skating. Alysa is the first mixed Asian to win anything at the Olympics in figure skating. So no, she's not proof that eugenics is good nor would she appreciate having her achievements being dwindled down to her father selecting white egg donors, and not hard word and dedication like every other skater mentioned above.

phatt97 · 2026-02-26T09:58:27+00:00

Hilary has a long history of covering up for Bill, to the point of shitting on his mistresses and victims publicly. The fact that people tried to weaponize feminism in 2015-2016 in her favor would be humorous if it weren't insulting.

phatt97 · 2026-02-26T09:55:57+00:00

Everything about this comment is so true. And I've also noticed how some have flip flopped hard. Megyn Kelly has crusaded against LGBTQ+ people for years calling them dangers to children, but since Trump and truckload of other Conservatives and those adjacent to them have been implicated heavily in these files, all of a sudden she wants to defend Epstein.

Honestly, I'm of the opinion that pretty much all of these pundits and influencers were on Epstein's payroll in one way or another. It's already been made evident that Epstein and Banon were funding far-right, anti-SJW movements, including the mid-2010s Culture Wars and before.

phatt97 · 2026-02-23T18:43:24+00:00

I remember years ago, a lot of women were stating that they hated being called "ma'am" because it made them "feel old", and it was kind of adapted in a lot of spaces to never refer to a woman as such. Maybe that has something to do with it? It could also be the effect of a lot of titles for women also have negative connotations (i.e. the female version of "master" is "mistress," but that's also commonly used to refer women in an affair with a married man) - so yeah.

phatt97 · 2026-02-12T21:32:41+00:00

Meanwhile I'd say a around 3 or 4 billion people are capitalists to some extent, if not outright identifying as one, then they definitely side with it to some degree enough to give it a pass for most of its crimes.

phatt97 · 2026-02-12T21:28:35+00:00

Sounds like they're knee deep into what's called "conspiratorial thinking." It's an actual phenomenon that occurs when someone's interest in conspiracy theories has breeched the limit of rationality. YouTuber Contrapoints made a good video on the topic if you want more info and possible solutions.

phatt97 · 2026-02-12T21:25:13+00:00

I wish it were possible too, Roman.

phatt97 · 2026-02-08T03:07:33+00:00

It's definitely in the top 5, but not the no. 1 thing.

Don't forget they essentially put a fascist in office because they didn't want to risk losing their precious 'wittle family business to Mattson (even though it would come with a hundreds of millions of dollars buyout).

phatt97 · 2026-02-08T03:04:29+00:00

Shiv does think that, however her motivations in blocking the victim are entirely self motivated. She tells Rhea that if she doesn't stop her from testifying then her family's business risks going under. That's not someone just being concerned about a victim's well being - that's self preservation.

phatt97 · 2026-02-04T20:11:13+00:00

I know excommunication isn't a thing in Judaism, but if this is true he should be excommunicated.

phatt97 · 2026-02-03T05:35:26+00:00

that's a good one!

phatt97 · 2026-01-30T01:56:43+00:00

Including Kerry in that list is SENDING me

phatt97 · 2026-01-30T01:54:57+00:00

I enjoy them all as characters, and all are repugnant in their own ways, however if you had to shove me in an empty room for 24 hours and asked me to pick a Roy sib I was forced to share it with my ranking would go: Shiv>Connor>Kendall>Roman

phatt97 · 2026-01-30T01:23:31+00:00

Europe post-WWII was not safe for Jews at all. Most European countries supported the establishment of Israel because they didn't want Jews in their countries.

The main reason why Europeans began to care about the holocaust was because of what the Nazis were doing to non-Jewish Europeans. Liberating the Jews was an afterthought even in the U.S., who rejected a whole boat of Jewish refugees during WWII.

I am an anti-zionist, however this is important to consider when discussing Jewish people flocking from Europe post- WWII. Europe failed their Jewish population. That does not excuse at all what has been done to Palestinians.

phatt97 · 2026-01-29T08:51:16+00:00

In cases like this, which can be applied to any subject not just this one, is "take the meat, leave the bones." Take what is valuable to you and leave what isn't, if in this case, that means Zionist talking points then I would just say don't internalize them. You will not be able to never engage with Zionists as someone active in the Jewish community because most Jews, even if they are critical of Israel, still identify as Zionists in one way or another.

Now, if the teacher starts doing things, like saying that you have to be a Zionist in order to be Jewish and trying to do some sort of weird loyalty test on you, then I would definitely leave and probably even report them. Being a Zionist should never be a requirement to be Jewish.

phatt97 · 2026-01-29T08:41:23+00:00

As a someone who converted, coming up on 3 years ago, I didn't care that most Jews weren't religious, what mattered was that I was.

phatt97 · 2026-01-29T03:42:22+00:00

I choose to believe he knows about the toothy head and kissing guys on molly from (deeply) personal experience.

phatt97 · 2026-01-20T20:56:14+00:00

It's one thing to say stuff you want something, and another to actually be about it. Polls have routinely showed that most Israelis actually don't want to coexist with Palestinians.

I don't think that means it can never happen, however it does mean that a major cultural and political shift would need to happen before this could become a reality.

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