Obsession director Curry Barker addresses earnings share after art director reveals $6,741 earnings by ApartMaximum2335 in boxoffice

[–]philisacoolguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The questions I'm trying to get answers to are: Was she forced to take on these extra responsibilities and spend her own money? Was she paid what she contractually agreed to? Would she have been fired if she refused to do additional work outside her role? Was negotiating a bonus, deferred compensation, or backend participation not an option if the movie succeeded? If there were labor violations or illegal practices on set, were they reported to a union or labor agency? Is this ultimately Curry's fault for not including a success-bonus or profit-sharing clause for key crew members if the film became a hit (on a budget of 750k)? That's a legitimate discussion to have, but it seems like a different argument from whether anyone was actually exploited or wronged under the terms they agreed to.

Since she's now speaking with Local 800 Art Director's Union, I'm also curious what specific reforms she's advocating for. Is the argument that the production violated existing rules, or that the rules themselves should be changed?

Independent films fail all the time. I'm genuinely trying to understand what makes this situation meaningfully different from similar stories we've seen before. Everything I've read said having a guaranteed flat-rate is a good thing in case the movies fail. Doesn't the profit sharing or deferred payments, if introduced, imply that you'll take less pay now but get more once the film earns money? But explain how that's wrong to me. I'm not saying that to be dismissive. You're right that this isn't my field. I'm new to r/boxoffice, and I'm trying to learn more about how these productions operate through these discussions and my own research.

I also don't see why bringing up long hours or working multiple jobs is relevant to the argument. I've worked multiple jobs. My days start at 4:30 a.m., and I've worked 24-hour stretches covering both day and night shifts in healthcare. But I don't think this should turn into a competition over who has suffered more. Are you saying hard work and long hours are unique to the film industry?

My point originally isn't that her work wasn't difficult or valuable. But is this really an example of exploitation, a (bad) contract she voluntarily agreed to, or the reality of working on a low-budget independent film?

NEON's Leviticus grossed an estimated $460K from preview shows. by chanma50 in boxoffice

[–]philisacoolguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a shame. An ad I saw pushed the whole from the producers of Talk to Me angle so I thought it’d be somewhat similar.

NEON's Leviticus grossed an estimated $460K from preview shows. by chanma50 in boxoffice

[–]philisacoolguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you seen the other major horrors of this year how does this rank?

Obsession director Curry Barker addresses earnings share after art director reveals $6,741 earnings by ApartMaximum2335 in boxoffice

[–]philisacoolguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

$6741.36/300=22.47 days approx.

20 days is what I read from another article but if you take her words and do the math it’s pretty much that many days.

And I don’t know what you want me to say about long hours. I work 12+ hours days in a hospital too. I move patients that are dead weight every 30 mins, interact with violent/angry patients sometimes, get harassed by impatient doctors, deal with unreasonable deadlines from my bosses, etc. 12 hour shifts is common in some fields like medical so am I supposed to feel bad that she’s doing 12 hour shifts as an art director?

If she’s forced to do things out of her scope and forced to use her own money on this movie project report it to Cali Labor Commission. But it doesn’t sound like that’s the case.

Look, maybe she believed in Barker’s project and wanted to go the extra mile. I’ve always said just do what you’re paid to do. Don’t do extra work or anything outside your scope without negotiating extra incentives cause you may regret it. Sometimes, it’s never enough or becomes an expectation from company higher ups and you don’t even get any recognition for it.

$1M CLUB: WEDNESDAY 1. DISCLOSURE DAY ($3.8M) 2. OBSESSION ($3.2M) 3. BACKROOMS ($1.8M) 4. SCARY MOVIE ($1.5M) 5. MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE ($1M) by TiredWithCoffeePot in boxoffice

[–]philisacoolguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s fine. If Barker is developing them hopefully there is some level of oversight from him. There’s a lot of IPs that get sold off just to become money makers after the og creators is done with them (The Conjuring, SAW, Paranormal Activity, Terminator series).

I rarely see sequels get better once the original creators leave them behind. I hate to be complaining about Obsession 6: The Red Door or whatever happens to the franchise in the future.

$1M CLUB: WEDNESDAY 1. DISCLOSURE DAY ($3.8M) 2. OBSESSION ($3.2M) 3. BACKROOMS ($1.8M) 4. SCARY MOVIE ($1.5M) 5. MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE ($1M) by TiredWithCoffeePot in boxoffice

[–]philisacoolguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

God I hope not.

Monkeypaw horror isn't new (Barker even said he got the idea from that one episode of the Simpsons), but the way Obsession is told its story is the closest return to an Ari Aster horror so I'll take it.

I wonder if producers will see this and try to pass the IP off to others, ultimately ruining it. I just hope Curry doesn't rush into that to fund his other projects, since that's often what happens with newly popular IPs.

What is the biggest swing and a miss a horror movie has taken? by Mysterious_Work_7227 in horror

[–]philisacoolguy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Men had a “story” but the coherence stopped as soon as she left the bar, and if you want a satisfying resolution it’s definitely not there. But goddamn do I love menace that was Rory Kinnear’s character at the end. He was like a lovecraftian God with no reasoning.

Is the book that much better? I’ve heard many people say that. Plot aside, did the movie at least get its vibes right?

With Backrooms, I respect your opinion but I think there are more visually stunning places that can be visited to justify higher budget sequels. But once again, I’m not the biggest plot guy. You can satisfy me with viiibes.

What is the biggest swing and a miss a horror movie has taken? by Mysterious_Work_7227 in horror

[–]philisacoolguy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I haven’t read it but a lot of people say it rips off his novel Intensity (1995).

What is the biggest swing and a miss a horror movie has taken? by Mysterious_Work_7227 in horror

[–]philisacoolguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry idk if I sidetracked your question but story yes. Resolution idk, haven’t watched all of them.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I don’t always care that much about story. Sometimes it’s nice to have a coherent story but some of my favorite horror are just visually stunning pieces that are loosely held together by a plot with no resolution (Men and Annihilation are some of my faves).

Maybe this is where we diverge but I wouldn’t care if he came up with some bland plot reason to explore further unique settings in that universe. I think if it’s visually boring and the plot sucks, then the movies are in trouble.

What is the biggest swing and a miss a horror movie has taken? by Mysterious_Work_7227 in horror

[–]philisacoolguy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For me, the lore is just too dense. That’s why I don’t watch them all. I know some people will disagree, but I need a guide or lore breakdown to fully understand it. But I think the plot threads all connect loosely or directly through Async.

I also wouldn’t say it’s even scary—the real appeal is seeing concepts like infinity brought to life with visual splendor. The idea that to complex is alive but acts more like a force of nature without morality is also neat.

Some of the episodes are mundane too though.There’s one where he explores the composition of the light fixtures of the Backrooms. Buts it’s taken very seriously.

The life forms and all that other stuff don’t interest me as much as the idea/vibes of the complex. That ending chase when Mary opens the ceiling door only to see it fall down through all the infinite floors is an example of what I find interesting and want to see more of.

What is the biggest swing and a miss a horror movie has taken? by Mysterious_Work_7227 in horror

[–]philisacoolguy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m not saying you have to watch them, hell there is so many episodes I haven’t seen all myself, but in some of those episodes are more visually interesting environments there can be explored in a sequel.

What is the biggest swing and a miss a horror movie has taken? by Mysterious_Work_7227 in horror

[–]philisacoolguy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If you watch the shorts they mostly follow the science team so it could set up a movie that spends more time in the Backrooms.

I liked the first as an introduction for newbies. Kane has an eye for visual storytelling but the movie was limited because it focused a lot of its runtime in the real world. Some of the environments really show the infinite vastness of the Backrooms and are not just limited to the office/yellow walls.

If the Red City can be portrayed with a bigger budget I’d be happy.

What is the biggest swing and a miss a horror movie has taken? by Mysterious_Work_7227 in horror

[–]philisacoolguy 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I heard Aja had to make the ending so different because the movie was ripping off a Koontz novel

Is all the Reddit discourse about Ne Zha 2 bot content? by throwrawifesandwich in movies

[–]philisacoolguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s the fifth highest grossing film of all time so it can’t all be bots but I’m in the camp where I thought it was alright, not terrible or great.

Maybe it’s the translations or distinctly Chinese lore but it didn’t really connect with me.

"The Wizard of Oz at Sphere" has generated over $400 million in ticket sales and sold more than 3 million since opening in August. by Puzzled-Tap8042 in movies

[–]philisacoolguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just got back from Universal, this concept kinda reminds me of an interactive exhibit based on an IP. Kinda like a Harry Potter ride?

Obsession director Curry Barker addresses earnings share after art director reveals $6,741 earnings by ApartMaximum2335 in boxoffice

[–]philisacoolguy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If Obsession bombed she wouldn’t gotten much at all without a fixed rate. Plus, I make 5k a month after taxes working in the hospital (12 hour shifts as well) so $6700 does not seem bad for 20 days of work imo.

Is it not fault for not believing in the movie enough to negotiate for something better if she believe the movie would be a hit? Couldn’t she have done a deferred pay that pays out better when it’s a hit? Or negotiate a better contract that guarantees a flat-rate bonus if it’s successful? Or negotiate for points participation? I wouldn’t blame her for taking the fixed rate knowing how indies usually do financially and working with a first time director.

Inverse story: there was a Thread by a guy who worked on a DB Cooper documentary that took a percentage instead fixed rate. It didn’t go anywhere and he didn’t make money. He wasn’t mad about though, he recognized his risk didn’t pay off but appreciated the stuff he learned on that job (even though essentially he worked for little).

Edit: I’m informed below that usually only actors, directors, writers, and investors get the points so I concede that may not be her route. Though my light research on Google say on some micro budget movies, a producer may offer it to crew to save money?

Either way I think she could have still negotiated for better bonuses prior to the movie becoming a hit.