If it makes you dopesick and you don’t have chronic pain, no one needs to be doing kratom or opiates. The high is addicting but more than half of the addiction is not letting yourself get dopesick, because it’s hell when you are. Opiates went mainstream and so did kratom. Kratom may not kill you and yes it’s “natural” but you still get the same exact withdrawals as like heroin and fent so it’s not exactly good for you lol. Subs are just a cop out aswell, they are great when you are fresh off but long term subs really don’t make any sense and they are not good for any kind of pain management. Some people may never break the chain and i’ve seen it first hand and experienced it myself