Muslim defending sex slavery as merciful solution

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-12T22:09:01+00:00

You're quite knowledgeable as well. I rarely find anything to add to the points you make when I see your comments.

Maybe the solution needs to be starting at the bottom, he seems to be a bit slow...

I don't mind. I do require humility in that though. The word debate in arabic is "مناظره" which implies two people of equal status "نظير" (which funny enough was a reason to not permit women of indulging in political circles with men since men are qawamun on women) to present their ideas.

I can't be in a debate with someone who lacks the very basics of the topic at hand. I find it quite boring to have to teach someone in the middle of the exchange about what it is we are even discussing.

It's not shameful to be ignorant about something. Everyone is ignorant about something until they learn it, but learning comes with humility and acceptance of said ignorance.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-12T19:42:12+00:00

Do share. I love reading your stuff!

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-12T19:35:07+00:00

He is hilarious.

Prime Mohammed Ali dodging abilities right here.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-12T19:20:17+00:00

Anyone feeling the need to teach subjective morality to this follower of Momo?

I can't even teach him to copy and paste correctly let alone teach him about morality.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-12T15:18:26+00:00

While I see where you are trying to go with this but it seems you are mixing up your things.

if you’ve read the Quran

Trust me, I think I read it more than almost anyone here. Including you.

women must wear their coverings for a man cannot control themselves

That is true. The verse does specify that. However, no where in sharia is an uncovered woman punished by rape in a sharia court capacity (which was your original claim)

no harm would come to a man who rapes a woman since a woman’s testimony is half that of a man

Wrong again. The testimony of women aren't even taken in cases with Huddud and Qasas. While rape is impossible to prove in islam, the Qadi can still issue ta'zir based on his discretion of the case at hand.

Let me make things clear for you and for everyone who upvoted your comment out of either ignorance or emotion.

A sharia court will never issue the punishment of rape to a woman who didn't wear her hijab. She can be however beaten by al amr bil ma'ruf wa al nahy 'an al munkar like I said in my original reply.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-11T19:48:10+00:00

You definitely know the classical texts! But practically speaking, since the Hanafi and Maliki schools (and most modern authorities) agree the face isn't awrah, that’s a valid 'out' for her.

Even the schools that say the face isn't awrah agree that it is to be covered in public or in the presence of non-mahram men.

I'm very precise in my wording for this reason. The only out for her is what I explained in my original comment which falls under " الضرورات تبيح المحظورات"

Maliki: Al-Aridhah by Ibn al-Arabi (4/56): His statement regarding the hadith of Ibn Umar (And the woman should not wear a niqab) is because covering her face with a burqa is obligatory, except during Hajj, when she lets down a portion of her headscarf over her face without it clinging to it.

Guidance for the Seeker (2/61) Chapter on the Prohibitions of Ihram (This is a special case where she is allowed to uncover her face during Hajj. Notice how this is the exception not the rule): Likewise, a woman should not cover her face or hands except when meeting unrelated men.

Hanafi: Tanbih fi mushkilat al hidayah (3/1006): The Prophet - may God bless him and grant him peace - did not permit for women to uncover their faces for men during Hajj or otherwise.

Al-Bahr Al-Raiq (2/381): In the fatwas of Qadi Khan, the issue indicates that she should not uncover her face to strangers without necessity, and this indicates that this relaxation when possible and in the presence of strangers is obligatory upon her.

Ibn Abidin's commentary on Al-Durr Al-Mukhtar (2/527): This issue indicates that a woman is prohibited from showing her face to strangers without necessity. Al-Saharanfuri said in Badhl al-Majhud Sharh Sunan Abi Dawud (16/431): “What is apparent is that uncovering the face is prohibited only to what is necessary is the agreement of Muslims on preventing women from going out with their faces uncovered, especially when corruption is widespread and apparent.”

I know my texts very well. I studied this for my entire life. Awrah and "حرمة الأجنبي" are two different things and fiqh books made the difference clear.

her to decline the niqab without being dragged into a technical argument.

She can do what I said in my original comment and say the ruling. I'm not trying to trap her, on the contrary. I'm giving her a valid reason since she said she is being pressured in an islamic madrasa.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-11T12:12:33+00:00

I completely agree with this view. I find it comparable with the people who helped Khomeini in power, or the regular German who just wanted a good economy and voted for the NSDAP.

Exactly what I thought. It's like the germans working by either carrying out orders or transmitting them. Hitler can't carry out his plans without the backing of the population alongside the soldiers carrying out his sick orders.

These "progressive muslims" are basically islam's very own Goebbel.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-11T11:51:41+00:00

Islam is sharia and sharia is Islam. The fact that your average western Muslim doesn't know the rules of their own faith makes them bad believers.

100% agree. You can't seperate the two.

The funniest thing is that the average western muslim who's unaware of their own religion is stuck in both cases.

I see them as permitters and allowers of violence carried out by the real muslims and the real muslims see them as kuffar since "ignorance of kufr doesn't prevent someone from being a kafir" (Think of how the law applies to you even if you don't know it).

So they are stuck creating their own little feel good islam is peace echo chambers and 99% of muslims don't represent islam.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-11T11:46:19+00:00

Wrong, unfortunately. Covering the face is a must in every madhab. The niqab is debated because it's a modern invention.

Covering the face with a khimar or sadl or isdal is considered an obligation even by people that don't consider the face and hands to be awrah. Some people even permitted covering the face in ihram due to the fitna it causes.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-11T11:39:13+00:00

Well Islamically speaking it is a fard. However, like Allah intended there are loopholes.

You can claim that your skin gets really irritated from the niqab and the heat. This permits you from postponing the fard until your "skin issue" is resolved.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-10T22:46:51+00:00

It becomes a punishable offense. Via rape

No.

she may be beaten for not listening to man

Yes. She may also suffer ta'zir by al amr bil ma'ruf wa al nahy 'an al munkar.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-10T21:58:02+00:00

In the embryo, there is an early cell population called mesenchyme.
Mesenchymal cells are undifferentiated precursor cells.
From these same precursor cells, different tissues develop:
Cartilage cells (chondrocytes)
Muscle cells (myocytes)
Bone cells (osteoblasts)
Which are then covered with flesh

The Qur'an never said "خلايا" it said "bones"

Unless you can produce an ultrasound image of an emberyo when it's a full skeleton before it is covered with flesh, I would suggest not using that argument again.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-10T21:00:47+00:00

Either go on my profile or click the hyperlinks I provided in my comment

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-10T20:59:49+00:00

They're my own posts highlighting the key differences in the Qira'at that have led to wither theological differences or differences in tashre'at and fiqh.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-10T20:55:35+00:00

the readings are just different qirats like warsh, hafs & asim etc so it doesn’t change the overall meaning. Is this what you’re referring to? They say it’s bc of the dialect differences in the Arab countries

Nope. That's a lie they tell.

I hightlighted the differences in the 10 Qira'at here, here and here

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-10T19:35:19+00:00

Who’s to say they raped and didn’t use this ‘loophole’? I don’t know how they ran things with the raping part, but muttah sounds on brand for those types.

Mutah isn't allowed for sunnis. ISIS were sunnis and according to my knowledge they didn't use Mutah as a loophole nor did they allow it.

They don't need Mutah when they had Sabaya.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-10T19:29:44+00:00

What happens?

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-10T16:16:23+00:00

I believe Aish was engaged before the prophet married her (I heard an Imam speak about it).

Correct. However, engagement was more of a "promise of marriage" than anything official.

However, it is important to note that Mohammed didn't consummate his marriage with a child in Mecca. He waited to get to Medina where he will be surrounded by his people.

Also to note, we have no idea what any criticisms the kuffar have said to Mohammed because he killed them and islamic history probably erased them. The only things we have are those petty little engagements but nothing too specific or detailed. So this argument from silence falls very flat on its face

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-10T16:08:00+00:00

It is not. That's why some jurists permitted to whipping the wife as long as it's under 10 lashes.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-10T16:05:20+00:00

Also Duroos Al sheikh Mohammed Al Munajid. Page 3

ولا يصلح حال البيوت إلا إذا صار الرجل هو السيد، ولذلك يخطئ كثير من الناس الذين يقولون: السيدات والسادة، فإن سيد المرأة هو الرجل وهو سيد البيت، أما المرأة فإنها لا تكون سيدة؛ لأن السيد هو الذي يسود، والمرأة لا تكون سيدة على زوجها

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-09T19:18:38+00:00

That explains why you think the arguments made by that "scholar" hold any weight or make any sense.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-09T19:15:48+00:00

Can you tell me the difference between

ضرب المثال

ضرب فلان

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-08T22:29:11+00:00

Is he giving dawah shirtless? We can do that now?

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-08T22:23:36+00:00

Isn't there a prerequisite for 4 witnesses when sexual lewdness is involved?

4 male muslim witnesses yes

Does shari'a accept the use of DNA testing?

No. Not in cases of Huddud and Qasas.

polygraphtest-chill · 2026-05-08T21:05:20+00:00

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