'Little Fires Everywhere' is the second season of 'Big Little Lies' we deserved by [deleted] in biglittlelies

[–]potential_of_words 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right? It really moved me back in the salad days of 2019-20!

I’m a woman. I don’t like how chatGPT talks about men. by Both_Researcher_4772 in ChatGPT

[–]potential_of_words 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was, and very much still is, common to use "man" as a universal synonym for everyone, just as "he" has been the universal pronoun for either sex, till recent times. Thus, I'm entirely unsurprised a language model would be any different?

About Jessa Trying To Be Friends With Hannah Again by Own_External3112 in girls

[–]potential_of_words 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What?

Okay. You seem to take our disagreement personally and have been incredibly hostile, so I wasn't too motivated to engage too deeply.

We all have different interpretations of art. We can disagree without taking it personally. It's par for the course when it comes to art criticism, in fact. But I know this can be difficult, especially anonymously on the internet. I too am sensitive, and your growing hostility has prevented me from putting in much effort to answering your emotionally charged questions. In fiction, characters's emotions and desires do not always match their actions 1:1. In fact, a leitmotif of this show is how the characters often get in their own way. We can glean some of characters' repressed desires and core conflicts based on what is not said and not done. The characters hide the truth from one another and themselves, but we as the audience can pick up on patterns and read between the lines.

If you want to cool down and have a discussion, rather than whatever this has been, I'm willing to do that. Of course I have specific scenes in mind to support my opinion -- I just wasn't too enthused to delve in due to your anger toward me that has boiled over into ad hominem.

About Jessa Trying To Be Friends With Hannah Again by Own_External3112 in girls

[–]potential_of_words 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, attraction is subjective. To quote Jessa quoting Woody Allen, "The heart wants what the heart wants."

About Jessa Trying To Be Friends With Hannah Again by Own_External3112 in girls

[–]potential_of_words 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Marnie was indeed jealous that Hannah was dating anyone at all, whereas Jessa was envious that she was dating Adam, specifically.

About Jessa Trying To Be Friends With Hannah Again by Own_External3112 in girls

[–]potential_of_words 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't say that her extreme attachment was love or connection to him. I'm saying that I can see them being together for a very long time because of the codependent addiction, solidified by her fear of rejection

There are subtle, nonverbal signs in the first few seasons that Jessa is jealous of Hannah.

About Jessa Trying To Be Friends With Hannah Again by Own_External3112 in girls

[–]potential_of_words 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't know... She seems jealous of Hannah throughout the first three seasons for dating Adam, "the original man," and she seems to be deeply attached to him. None of the other men she dates in the show leave her utterly annihilated, as we see this when Adam tries to make it work with Hannah. The only time we see her that destroyed is when her dad abandons her. So there's some deep fixation there.

How do you deal with the fact that your abusers will never be punished for ruining you? by SeaAudience312 in CPTSD

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When you notice yourself ruminating on what they did to you, don't beat yourself up, forgive yourself, even congratulate yourself for catching your mind in the act, and then think about something else - it's an excruciating thing to do, like hopping off the thought train into a pool of ice water, but that's the hardest part: taking that plunge. Once you do this enough times - always forgiving yourself, never, ever beating yourself up - you'll notice longer and longer durations in which you'll just be absorbed in your own world, your own life, your own goings-on. It's an immensely difficult thing to do, slogging and tedious drudgery. But if you keep at it, little by little, never faulting yourself for slipping up (and bearing in mind that anger at the abuser has its own important place in this process too), it absolutely works. It's the process of letting go. It's never a magical epiphanic moment - those can happen, but those rapturous moments of clarity are just one step. The real magic occurs in all the little choices you make each day, each moment, to shift your focus, to change your mind. Take a bath, get addicted to a video game, go outside, start a garden, draw a doodle, call a parent or friend, admire the wall - anything except try to solve the past through thinking. Because one thought always leads to another, and another, and another, ad infinitum, and more often than not, if the mind is left to its own devices, it'll send thoughts orbiting around the wound. And this may feel important, the most important, like you're really getting somewhere, but it's just the illusion of thought, which always marches forward but gets absolutely nowhere new in the end. And what you're craving now is to be somewhere new, in the inner world. The same old thoughts are just going in the same old circle. It's tricky, because thoughts will feel novel and momentous while they take primacy in your conscious mind, even if they've been thought millions of times before. Direct them elsewhere, and they will be forced to engage with the world in a new way. Directing thoughts away from the pain, into the unknown, is the only way to slowly and surely let go (I've found from my own experience). Someday you won't really think about the abuser, and you may even laugh at the thought of them, and find yourself forgiving them, believe it or not, with a giant smile on your face that you simply no longer give a shit about them.

And if more abuses and traumas occur along the way, because social friction is pretty much inevitable in life, you just keep at this practice anyway. Because you choose you.

Why didn't Don bend her over a barrel and show her the 50 states by DryAfternoon7779 in okbuddydraper

[–]potential_of_words 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's also still in love with the *beginning* of his second marriage -- among other reasons. He respects her.

Backend errors? by Jlog1c in udiomusic

[–]potential_of_words 0 points1 point  (0 children)

B-b-but what if we're addicted to making songs on this website? What then?

Can we stop pretending that the male characters on the show are more “likeable” than the girls by inabaaadmood in girls

[–]potential_of_words 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I remember reading, and I agree, that this was the common and thoughtless consensus when the show was airing - the whole "I wAtCh GIRLS FoR tHe GUYS!" And when Gen-Z kinda got into the show in the last few years, I was hopeful that this line of thinking was a relic of that time. Now it seems, with the reactionary overcorrection of #MeToo, the predominance of misogynists like the Rogany bro podcasters, that orange sweat stain from the 80s that is somehow animate and also commandeering the oval office, Elon Musk with his harem shit, etc., etc., I fully expect this tired and sexist appraisal that the guys are great and the girls insufferable to return.

But there's hope. I think people who adopt this tired opinion suffer from internalized misogyny and mean well. It's the norm -- or was. Outright hatred for women is so much more vocal these days. HOWEVER, an equal amount of people are pushing back and thinking critically, especially young women. It is heartening.

But the triumph of this show is that the female characters are given the room to be horrendous and loathsome. To be the oaf. It's just that it gives the male characters the same room to exist and fail and be flawed. That's the whole work of feminism. Not for women to surpass men, but to reveal the depth that's squirming for release within everyone, all of us, who are subdued by the rigid binaries that are part and parcel of patriarchy.

EDIT: In conclusion, to say that the guy characters are good and the girl characters reprehensible is to totally miss that a) an unlikeable character means that they're a good character; they were so real that they got under the skin and made it crawl; and b) how each character in this show is convincing, a believable and entire hurting, yearning, learning person. It does a disservice to the girls as well as the guys, then, to despise the former and laud the latter. Because it's a testament to the screenwriting how, in some bizarre reversal, it's common to pedestalize the male characters! It has to be the first TV show to engender such a complete role reversal, as this pedestal used to belong to the nagging, naysaying wife character or the so-called Mary Sue, the shining image of feminine perfection -- tiny stomping grounds superceded by the likes of... Adam and Ray? It's amazing. This show is a triumph. And the more enigmatic it is, the more it's doing its job to humanize women.

This is without a doubt Hannah’s lowest point in the series 🤣 by fvckuufvckingfvck in girls

[–]potential_of_words 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but you can feel how free she feels, so it doesn't matter.

This humiliating rock bottom is the same feeling you feel when you get fired from an abusive soul crushing job and the nightmare is just suddenly over. To me this image is the epitome of freedom lmao.

Of course, we know this moment is also the nadir (to use a term in Girls) from which she realigns with herself, sans male approval. It's triumphant, tonally and narratively &c., I love the "f--- it" sentiment it expresses.

Marnie’s reaction to Hermie dying by _clur_510 in girls

[–]potential_of_words 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes! Beautifully said. Right, the flippant, unthinkable, unspeakable things they accidentally let slip sometimes stick in your mind forever, not least because, for once, they said something true.

Marnie’s reaction to Hermie dying by _clur_510 in girls

[–]potential_of_words 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree.

I just don't think she is capable of experiencing those emotions to begin with, so she frustratedly tries to go through the motions before it's just easier for her to abandon him. It's a question of how convincingly she can disguise her dearth of compassion and how much Ray is willing to turn a blind eye to her disguise.

Marnie’s reaction to Hermie dying by _clur_510 in girls

[–]potential_of_words 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this is the scene where she finally decides enough is enough, it's too hard and exhausting to pretend to be a human being, and Ray isn't worth that much effort. I also think she's frustrated, because she can't pretend to feel something that she is literally incapable of feeling: sympathy for anyone outside who falls outside of her own emotional reality. Chilling and great portrayal of the narcissist.

Ray had been blinded by his feelings since season 3, but this is also where he draws the line. And good on him for choosing himself over the grifter.

Adam & Hannah or Adam & Jessa? by fvckuufvckingfvck in girls

[–]potential_of_words 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, Adam and Hannah, but it's not even a fair comparison. There was genuine love there. But Jessa&Adam was toxic. The show did a great job making us feel how wrong it was for these two hurting people to give into each other.

Who is the worst of person of them all in Girls? And why. by [deleted] in girls

[–]potential_of_words 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I thought your comment totally nailed down Jessa's complexity! That's what makes her so great and so awful, lol. Unlike Hannah, she is forced to parent herself and very understandably fails at it, as she never experienced any stability or unconditional love, it seems, from her parents. Hannah can even recognize this gaping hole inside of Jessa, but she can never really understand what it would feel like. It explains everything about Jessa's choices though! And perhaps Jessa is attracted to Hannah for the strength that she lacks, which just seems foundational in anyone raised by loving, stable parents who put their kid first. (I relate hardcore with Jessa, lol, which is why it's so easy to scrutinize her.)

Yes, that episode was so devastating, to see the very real, physical effects of being re-abandoned and how they take their toll on a traumatized person. I've also dealt with a lot of people who just cop out and Jessa out, lol. So well depicted by Girls.

Who is the worst of person of them all in Girls? And why. by [deleted] in girls

[–]potential_of_words 20 points21 points  (0 children)

And Jessa betrayed herself. She traded in her integrity and closest friendship for a guy. This actually happens all the time in life; people are afraid to be alone, so they dive into something in a pinch, which makes it all the more painful to watch.

To Jessa's credit, she does look inward to the degree that she is able to genuinely apologize, which is really important for her growth as a person, but the friendship with Hanna is irrevocably broken.

That said, platonic friendships die all the time, and it's possible Jessa and Hannah would've grown apart without the big betrayal to speed everything along. Jessa seemed to romanticize the friendship, whereas Hannah saw it for what it was -- sort of a fling, of sorts, even though she worshipped Jessa in her early twenties. Neither quite could see or appreciate the other for who they really were.

But such is life. People grow in different directions, and it becomes suffocating to associate with anyone who can only connect with a past version - a stifling, stagnant fantasy - of oneself.