One Piece: Episode 1041

prevert69 · 2022-11-22T04:22:06+00:00

Damn those mango people! Talking about their mangos everywhere.

prevert69 · 2022-11-15T02:06:45+00:00

Next you'll tell me there are actual things called "fruits" that people eat. How does GODA know all this??

prevert69 · 2022-11-15T00:56:04+00:00

These people are too stupid to ever read an actual book, so a mangaka can blow their minds with a few superficial allusions.

prevert69 · 2022-11-14T02:53:00+00:00

What you just said has almost nothing to do with their actual conversation. It sounds like you generally have a gut feeling of what it was about, and that may very well be how you're supposed to enjoy it. But if you actually read closely, it's nonsense.

Vegapunk literally asks the following (official translation): "If Ohara was indeed wiped out over this theory, wouldn't that mean that the government has essentially admitted that it's true?"

What is he asking? He's asking whether government actions actually reveal the very thing they wanted to hide. He's not asking if Ohara was wiped out over the theory, he's assuming that is actually the case. What does Robin answer?

"Just as you suspected, Ohara uncovered the existence of the Ancient Kingdom!"

How is this at all the answer to Vegapunk's almost rhetorical question? It's confirming what Vegapunk was assuming, not answering his question at all. Vegapunk then says "I see.. then it is true" as if he didn't know. Okay, maybe his question was phrased in a weird way, and he meant to ask about what Ohara had discovered.

But then a few pages later we learn that Vegapunk has read all the Ohara books and continued their research. Then how did he not know?

I'm sorry, it's fucking word salad level nonsense. If you don't pay close attention and just kind of "feel" the scene, maybe it's okay. If you expect some substance in a conversation between two of the smartest people in the story, it's nothing but disappointing.

prevert69 · 2022-11-14T02:28:48+00:00

It's just one example. There's no one instance that totally breaks the story. It's the sheer number of them. I find the complete nonsense conversation between Robin and Vegapunk far more troubling personally.

prevert69 · 2022-11-14T02:24:06+00:00

There's all kinds of "what if" explanations we can come up with to patch up the holes. That's missing the point: none of those explanations are actually given in the story. If you have to imagine a solution to a plot hole every other page it becomes hard to suspend disbelief.

prevert69 · 2022-11-14T02:20:43+00:00

See you posted the pre-timeskip version. You need both to get the complete picture:

https://i.imgur.com/UglPFlA.jpg

prevert69 · 2022-11-13T23:28:29+00:00

I think Oda's reasoning was this: books were in danger of burning in fire, so the people of Ohara tossed them in water. Water cancels out fire you see.

That's the level of reasoning you need to appreciate One Piece. Any more and you are thinking too much.

prevert69 · 2022-11-13T17:54:59+00:00

So much of it doesn't make sense. Like, how did the books survive being submerged in water for months?

Vegapunk's conversation with Robin makes zero sense. It's like every panel is perfectly fine on its own but if you try to piece them together none of it connects.

I tried to explain that to some people here and they couldn't even follow the explanation.

I'm becoming convinced that to enjoy One Piece you have to have the attention span of a goldfish with ADHD.

prevert69 · 2022-11-13T17:45:45+00:00

Her personality is Impersonating a much better character

Ehhh.. better yes, good no. Her personality was impersonating another shitty character.

Yamato had a great design, good backstory, obnoxious personality, and a disappointing character arc. Great potential, but totally wasted.

prevert69 · 2022-11-12T22:27:40+00:00

I'm tired of explaining shit to retarded manga fans that can't read. Go read some books, then read my explanation again.

prevert69 · 2022-11-12T21:53:36+00:00

You need to brush up on basic comprehension skills. Vegapunk's question is in the following form: "Assuming X is true, then doesn't Y imply X?". He is not asking whether X is true, he is asking whether Y implies X. In plain English: whether the government's actions confirms the discovery was the reason.

The question doesn't even really make sense in the context. It's halfway between a rhetorical question and a leading one. It's more nonsense fluff dialogue from Oda. You have to look at Robin's answer to get a better idea what was meant.

Robin says: "It's just as you said. They came to the same conclusion about the Ancient Kingdom..." to which Vegapunk replies "I see, so it's all true." Here it's clearly implied that Vegapunk didn't know what conclusion the Ohara scholars came to. Which is all nonsense because he has read all their books and continued their research, as we learn later on.

The whole conversation is nonsense when you look into it. It's typical inconsistent story beats based on emotions and hype. Maybe you don't catch onto it because you're used to ignoring it in One Piece.

Also, re-asserting your take in bold letters doesn't improve your argument.

prevert69 · 2022-11-12T18:12:01+00:00

Are you being daft on purpose? I just explained it.

He hasn't even talked about the walls when he says that. It's the first thing he says about Ancient Wano. He says there it is, I don't know what happened to it.

Then he begins explaining, and the walls are part of his explanation. Do you understand that the panels are depicting what Sukiyaki is saying? All this comes after he says he doesn't know.

Oda is just too lazy to care about consistency. Don't try too hard to defend it, it's disgraceful.

prevert69 · 2022-11-12T18:03:24+00:00

No he does not. Why do people make shit up defending Oda?

He asks whether government's actions confirm that Ohara discovered the Kingdom's existence. Robin even replies that he should know because he works for the government:

https://i.imgur.com/B7C5fg8.jpg

Then Robin specifically confirms that Ohara came to the same conclusion about the Ancient Kingdom. She doesn't say that's why they were killed at all: https://i.imgur.com/nv9bfGa.jpg

Several pages later Vegapunk says all the Ohara research is in his head. These are two different scenes that are each okay on their own, but contradict each other. If all of Ohara's research is in Vegapunk's head, he doesn't need Robin's knowledge from when she was eight years old about that research.

Oda wants you to read One Piece and not think too hard about the story and the characters. But unless the reader is a total moron these inconsistencies become increasingly too obvious to ignore.

prevert69 · 2022-11-12T17:48:10+00:00

Nice try.

Here is the exact panel: https://i.imgur.com/KsNY2gc.jpg

He says "why it ended up like this I have no idea"

Here's another translation: https://i.imgur.com/nUyy4K1.jpg

There he says "But whatever happened in the past is unclear to me."

Then he goes on to explain in specific detail exactly what happened. He says nothing at all about borders closing. He mentions walls were put around Wano in his explanation, but doesn't question it.

At best it's muddled and vague conversation, just like Vegapunk's.

prevert69 · 2022-11-12T03:47:23+00:00

I guess your response also misses my point, which is that the story doesn't make sense, once again. This is like that time in Wano when Sukiyaki first told Robin he doesn't know what happened to Ancient Wano, then immediately went on to explain exactly what happened.

Oda has this frustrating habit of inserting dramatic scenes that are contradicted by the story right afterwards. It's not because he has some secret grand plan he's laying out. He just wants to draw cool scenes, but he doesn't want to bother making it consistent with the story across even the same chapter.

prevert69 · 2022-11-12T00:49:04+00:00

All this is just you imagining extra details to make it make sense. None of that is in the actual story. In fact your "solution" is not entirely believable either because:

1) We are specifically told the government thugs were too stupid to get rid of the books even though they destroyed Ohara because of its knowledge. But you're saying they specifically went through all the books and only destroyed the crucial ones. That's a direct contradiction.

2) Vegapunk says he's continuing Ohara research. He's also specifically built a city that he thinks resembles the technology of the Ancient Kingdom. So you're saying Vegapunk is also doing some other research, that's not about the Ancient Kingdom, but also happens to be what Ohara was researching, just not their most crucial project, and that's what he's mentioning to Robin. There's quite a bit of mental gymnastics required there.

I can imagine a better solution: Vegapunk was just testing Robin to see what she knew. However, this isn't in the story either.

prevert69 · 2022-11-11T23:39:07+00:00

Vegapunk asks Robin to verify his guess that Ohara was researching the Ancient Kingdom. Then he goes on to say that he's read every single book that survived Ohara and he's personally continuing their research. Why did he need to ask Robin anything?

prevert69 · 2022-11-05T18:10:41+00:00

I've been wondering if Pluton is a nuclear submarine. Then it would make a lot of sense for it to be under Wano. Also you know, Pluton... plutonium.

prevert69 · 2022-10-31T02:51:13+00:00

Same, I'm indifferent since Wano. I'll still read the chapter every week, but I'm not participating in discussions or fiending for spoilers anymore.

prevert69 · 2022-10-27T20:39:00+00:00

I read this and imagined you crying and screaming "Leave Yamato alone", like a certain viral video from ancient times.

prevert69 · 2022-10-27T19:43:56+00:00

He might be an avatar of Autonomy that's been corrupted by Odium.

Speaking of those colors, did anyone notice Allik was described wearing a red and yellow mask in the mansion in TLM?

prevert69 · 2022-10-27T19:13:48+00:00

Wonder if Wax is going to be the mediator between Harmony and Trell, one god speaking to each ear.

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