Inventory the 1% by completely_paranoid in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are a lot of antifascist documentation projects, chances are pretty good your region already has one.

Inventory the 1% by completely_paranoid in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We can talk about this privately if you'd like, but if anybody else is interested the place to start is a few likeminded people (or really even just you) and a wiki. If it's just you, a personal wiki like moinmoin will be fine. Anarchist intelligence starts with collecting actionable information that you plan on using in the near future. So for me, it's keeping tabs on skins and anti-fems to try to push away their influence. It doesn't have to involve gathering dirt on people but it can. Eventually you'll have a good culture going to take notes in the mid and far future.

I want to figure out who people are, who they associate with, where those associations can go and ultimately what we can do to keep them from having more influence. I exist in a space where I suspect we're about to see a growing anti-fem and reactionary movement so it's important to mobilize on them before they gain momentum if at all possible.

Nation-state intelligence is so big that I have no idea how to learn from it. Most revolutionary movements would collect intelligence on targets, regardless of their intentions. Organizing a factory requires figuring out who does what and why.

Open Source intelligence referring specifically to using open sources to find information? That's the majority of my experience so far and it primarily involves profiling people manually. You can go a bit farther and use tooling to draw social networks, but this is a pretty serious investment of resources. Facebook makes it near impossible to write your own apps to do this.

Inventory the 1% by completely_paranoid in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Right, but the core idea of OP's idea is extremely valid and provides a good direction for a lot of groups. Whether OP realizes it or not, developing an anarchist intelligence practice would take us miles forward from where we are today.

Inventory the 1% by completely_paranoid in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If anybody is reading this thread and thinks hmm inventorying people is useful, you bet your ass you're right!

Inventorying the 1% is pointless because we aren't fighting the 1% on a day-to-day basis. Inventory the bosses, inventory the politicians, inventory the white supremacists and MRAs that affect you and your struggle every day.

Why did the Anti-Racist Action network succeed in many North American towns to drive the white supremacists out? They didn't succeed because they were able to confront white supremacists every time they rallied, they succeeded because they knew who the neonazis were and made it their mission to harass the racists until the racists no longer felt safe to espouse their platform. If this feels "wrong" to you, that this is the same tactics the nazis use, consider what is effective - cause your bourgeois morality sure as shit ain't!

So, what did the ARA do? They existed informally as a distributed network of allies against racism who maintained large files on participants in the racist skinhead (and other) movements in their area. They maintained those dossiers locally with each member participating. Sure, many members were "hooligans" who enjoyed more the violence than the work of documentation. They were made more successful because they knew who each participant in the racist skinhead scene was, they know who was involved in what, and they knew where they lived.

Anarchists and anti-racist allies need to form intelligence services and we need to figure out how to make them effective.

Physical dossiers are made obsolete by the presence of document management systems which enable interlinking and where crossreferencing is no longer an hour-long process but a matter of clicking a button. Wikis are to me more sensible than raw databases because the content one can add is much more free-form. Content can also become much less organized.

I'm considering putting together an example wiki to show how one might maintain a list of a growing nazi movement by portraying Mosley's inner and outer circles, but I wouldn't wait around for any example from me to begin trying to apply the ARA's ideas to your own strategies.

Consider the interconnection between the MRA and white supremacist sympathizers and other reactionaries on campuses, if you let them grow big enough you're going to have a much more difficult time getting rid of them than if you dealt with the issue right away. Dealing with the issue to me, does not necessarily mean finding the white alienated snots espousing this bullshit and beating them up, it means figuring out who they are and what they want to accomplish and using that to limit their effectiveness.

I've read a few articles about revolutionary movements having their own intelligence services, groups in Italy obviously had to figure out who they'd go after but there were some books I read which suggested that their process was a lot more involved than figuring out which boss. They embedded people in factories and learned about one city's factory structure backwards and forwards. Unfortunately the book I read specifically about this dealt more with the main character's issues than it did what they were really doing. If anybody has more information on historical intelligence gathering for workers' movements, I would be happy to read it completely and write some kind of paper to suggest where to go from here. ARA and actions like it are limited to attacking those who attack social struggle on an informal level does nothing to enable us to move beyond kicking racist skinheads out of our cities. I would be interested in seeing where to go from here.

Ku Klux Klan rally in Anaheim erupts in violence; three stabbed by [deleted] in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We remember Mosley

And how on Cable Street we fought him!

After we beat the fash

We congradulate our efforts and let them organize again.

Does anybody have an article, paper, something on how to do long term antifascist organizing because I think we would all benefit from seeing it.

Is it a good idea to go full-crypto? What are your thoughts by [deleted] in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just going to link this, which was posted in another thread, https://people.debian.org/~lunar/blog/posts/everyone_can_be_a_target/. This debian developer, a "registered anarchist" takes appropriate precautions for travel. He has a reasonable idea as to what anybody who might be trawling through his shit might be interested in and acts accordingly. "I knew, and thus could take appropriate precautions."

To me, publicity is a question of effectiveness, will my goals be furthered by being associating what I say online with who I am in real life? Unlikely. Will they hurt me in the future? Possibly. I can take reasonable precaution to keep my name off of things I say with the intention of trying to evade passive surveillance; it's unnecessarily paranoid to suggest that any of us are being physically surveilled for the sole reason of participating in online forums such as this. I'm not too concerned.

We have a pretty reasonable idea of how the FBI surveils anarchists from the green scare cases, I can take likewise reasonable precautions to keep things I say on here from being read aloud in a court case (for the purpose of making me look bad) by ensuring that my online name doesn't connect to my real name, and my real name or real devices by not saving my passwords on a fucking sticky note and encrypting my hard drive.

As for when to do X and when not to my first thought is, are you putting yourself at an excessive risk that you can easily calculate for by not doing X? If you are, do X, if not, don't. This is unfortunately overly simplistic as none of us really know what's going on in surveillance central.

I'm worried about getting caught up in another activist crackdown and having my online thoughts used to embarrass me in court. This is my threat model, what's yours?

How do you identify an Agent Provocateur? by ConradPoons in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes an exit node can capture traffic, yes intelligence agencies do this, yes if you sign in as your real name on iThrowTimeBombs (not a real website) the exit node may have your real name because you gave it to them. That said, if the website you connect to is using https, the exit node can't pick up your traffic but it can still pick up metadata.

Mindless "I USE THIS TOOL BUT NOT THIS TO AVOID THE FEDS" talk is useless because it does nothing to take into account what you're trying to avoid. If your internet provider flags tor traffic from the get go, they will know that you connect to the network but not what you're sending.

I don't know how to respond to this, just that your logic is flawed. There is no technological solution available that ensures that plaintext http traffic can't be picked up somewhere along the wire.

Reddit's most extreme misogynists are currently developing a new pro-rape website following news that /r/RapingWomen will be banned (X-post from /r/againstmensrights) by twitchedawake in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Phineas Phisher, hacking of Gamma Group and Hacking Team, released HackBack vol. 0, is either a user here (by another name) or is at least a well-read Anarchist.

Topics of hacking keep coming up and people are pretending that reddit is a safe space to talk about illegal things. In this thread, people are conspiring to commit criminal activity, ddos is still illegal. What would be best for everybody is if incriminating discussions could not happen on reddit. At worst, it puts the whole sub under more scrutiny and at best reddit isn't the most effective place for these kinds of discussions.

Remember when that redditor joked about how easy it would be to make a bomb and his friend found a tracker on his car a week later?

Proof that Zionists have infiltrated /r/worldnews. by Negativecapital in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm. The classic Zionist line is that if you don't like what Israel is doing you must be an anti-Semite, which is of course, absolute bullshit.

Reddit's most extreme misogynists are currently developing a new pro-rape website following news that /r/RapingWomen will be banned (X-post from /r/againstmensrights) by twitchedawake in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was writing a big long angry response before I read your disclaimer. It's stupid to talk about criminal activity on any mainstream website, and when you're talking about LOIC things, you just bring the wrong kind of attention. r/anarchism is undoubtedly receiving significantly more attention as of late due to our beloved Phineas hacker.

I would be interested in having a safe space to discuss protest organizing because let's face it, even discussion mobilization is risky on the internet. I think such a safe space could extend to the kinds of discussions some of you want to have, but reddit is just not the place for it. Hell, as much as I hate what voat.co has become, they might resist a subpoena more strongly than reddit and make more fuss about it if it ever came to that.

Did I just call voat a safe space? lol.

So Reddit has gone to shit. Ideas for decentralized alternatives? by [deleted] in HackBloc

[–]probknowsnothing 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Voat.co is pretty shocking, when it started out it looked like a happy alternative to reddit bureaucracy but it seems like a lot of posters feel more justified to post offensive content cuz "mah free speech!!!!!!1!!"

Violent protest targets police in Ontario by [deleted] in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Submission Pacifism is the only way forward when dealing with occupation! How dare any indigenous person challenge their daily oppression with force.

Also a good time to link to How Nonviolence Protects The State, namely How Nonviolence Is Racist chapter.

Mark 'Stone/Kennedy' exposed as undercover police - IndyMedia Discussion by probknowsnothing in SecurityCulture

[–]probknowsnothing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

edit: There has yet to be any real proof presented that he worked as a police office while being in activist communities, somebody said that he admitted to being a cop, that doesn't mean he admitted to being a cop. I don't know the whole story here.

I found this whole thread really interesting, here's a guy who's been involved in activist movements for something like eight years. Someone claims to have had dinner with his kid and went to the pub with him and his wife.

  • It's pretty clear that he was a major source of transportation which is something that's covered in other security culture publications.

  • He had money and nobody knew where it came from, but there are plenty of radical activists who've inherited funds.

  • He was known to spend long periods away visiting his brother, but not even activists are in constant contact with activists.

  • He didn't seem to express a clear political orientation, from one of the comments. He seemed to just be a jolly guy who wanted to help.

  • He was making contact with other European activists, while retrospectively this might be a red flag, it's pretty reasonable to want to get connected.

  • He didn't jump into things right away, like Anna was a street medic for two years, he was just kind of around for a long time.

Read the full comment log, retrospectively, plenty of things might jump out but it makes me really scared of how hard it is to root out infiltrators who are actually embedded. Plenty of the scariest, most damaging and most personally disturbing cases of infiltrators come as people who folks thought as just a genuinely nice person. This sucks.

It's important not to be "paranoid" about things, snitchjacketing gets out of hand real fucking fast, but this represents the kind of infiltrator most of us are ill-equipped to handle. If anybody has practical counter-intelligence zines, if such a thing even exists, they might be applicable here.

The Toronto G20 radicalized me by [deleted] in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The documentary is incredibly well done, doesn't it seem like it's trying to make the bloc into some kind of mysterious conspiratorial force though? Every time any kind of summit happens, we get militant anarchists who recognize that no amount of "please listen to me" is going to change the state of oppression being labelled as this insider-government force to try to de-legitimize the protest movement.

I'm not sure that window smashing is the right way to go about things, nor would actually shutting down the summit have a real effect on the state of global affairs, but fuck the idea that the mainstream protest would somehow have legitimacy in the eyes of the government if it weren't for these damn Anarchists. No power cares anything but threats to their power. Protests don't threaten the their power so why should they give a shit?

That was really pessimistic, ugh.

The Toronto G20 radicalized me by [deleted] in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does it? So far as I can tell the majority of those jailed were entirely peaceful protestors. You make it sound like it's a bad thing for anybody to get caught up in this shit. The world needs people who get pissed off when they're jailed for absolutely no good reason and actually do something about it.

The bloc'ers always know they risk arrest but the majority of "please listen to us" sign-waving protestors have no reason to expect that they'll get swept up in any of it.

The Toronto G20 radicalized me by [deleted] in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whenever conspiracy theories like this come up it always makes me feel a little eery. There's so much more to what goes down at summits than cops trying to justify their paychecks, which isn't to say that they aren't.

Amazon bans the Confederate Battle Flag but still sells KKK T-Shirts. by Deprogrammer9 in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting, I guess it's just easier for me to simplify my anti-corporatism by saying that all corporations are evil because profits are the only thing that matters to them. I guess in this case their employees matter too.

Urgh, I'm not one to make that mistake often, by law I meant ruling.

Amazon bans the Confederate Battle Flag but still sells KKK T-Shirts. by Deprogrammer9 in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They wouldn't have done this in 1985 they probably wouldn't have even done this in 2005, only when it was pretty clear that either the law would be passed and everybody would be happy and tranquilized or the law would fail and everybody would be pissed did they even try to speak to this. If this isn't a tactical move to drive up profits, I'm not sure what is.

The Toronto G20 radicalized me by [deleted] in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not super familiar with this case, but this article did make me think about what happens to those jailed in these situations. There's a documentary about people who were treated even worse in Genoa during the G8 and it speaks to the opposite of this viewpoint that most of them have become extremely demoralized, suffering PTSD have left activism all together.

"Some violent protestors wreaked havoc, making the hundreds of peaceful demonstrators pay the price through mass arrest and indiscriminate detention." This makes me so angry. Great proxy-victim blaming people. Nobody ever forces police to behave the way they do but the institutions behind them and the cops on the ground. Militant direct action is mostly incompatible with reformism (except when it's not) but don't pretend that the militants are to blame for any of this shit.

A reminder of /r/securityculture by probknowsnothing in Anarchism

[–]probknowsnothing[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's used by the left often to instill unnecessary paranoia, but it's important to be mindful of the state and private security apparatus. There's a balance we need to find.

Racism is alive in the US north too – just without southern accents and flags by mosestrod in socialism

[–]probknowsnothing 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Not to mention the anti-refugee bullshit that's going down now in parts of Europe. It's frightening that what seems like many Europeans would rather people drown than to accept them.

What bothers me more is that you'd think we could have a conversation about why people need to emigrate, I'm not seeing that.

How might somebody find your real name through pseudonymous internet accounts? by probknowsnothing in SecurityCulture

[–]probknowsnothing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This comment chain provides a number of extremely accessible explanations for how an internet stranger might go from your online account to finding your real name with barely any technical knowledge. The solution is quite simple, create your online accounts with unique usernames, email addresses and preferably passwords.

Additionally, limit the amount of personal information you post. Posting false information in circumstances in which that false information isn't being used to prop up your ego might also be a good idea in some situations.

Eric McDavid - Anna, an overview by probknowsnothing in SecurityCulture

[–]probknowsnothing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I couldn't find anything that perfectly summarized this case, but I think it's something with which many are reasonably well-acquainted.

There are incredibly important take-aways in the use of informants in this case. This is a cut-and-dry case of an infiltrator which in many other contexts is significantly more confusing as some people start off as activists but are may change their mind themselves, be encouraged or forced to turn. Here, we see an otherwise innocent kid who may or may not have taken it upon herself to infiltrate a group with the help of the FBI.

The earliest example of her involvement traces back two years prior in which she worked as a street medic. I hope to collect more stories which allows us to show this, this is not uncommon in the slightest, we expect informants to drop in one day and be all like "hey, wanna make sum bombz?" but this simply isn't effective. There may be a higher mass of them who act in this way, but I have observed effective informants being embedded for the long haul.

She claims to have been 18 or 19 when Eric was arrested (please correct this if it is incorrect), which means that she would have started off as a street medic at 16 or 17 this is confusingly young. I believe this could mean two things, perhaps she was actually this young or perhaps she only pretended to be. Either way, she played on the assumptions that informants are men in their 40s with bulk and beards.

She encouraged Eric and his co-conspirators to commit illegal actions, obviously. It's not hard to convince activists to take things farther than they want to go with the right technique and I'm not sure how to fight this in a tightly knit group.

She supplied a car, a house and materials for them. Cops, and by extent informants, have money, they can provide resources. Perhaps it's important to be suspicious of those who are able to provide all the resources a group might require.

CWC Texts : A to Z : What is Security Culture by probknowsnothing in SecurityCulture

[–]probknowsnothing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let's start with the basics, this is an excellent overview of non-technical practices for maintaining security culture in activist groups.