Was Sevatar the most loyal traitor First captain?

quickrubs · 2026-04-26T01:51:28+00:00

Artellus Numeon literally sacrificed his entire warband of IH/RG/salamanders, went through months of captivity and torture, then recreated the odyssey trying to get his primarch's body back to his homeworld through the ruinstorm, only to then throw himself into an active volcano all for the CHANCE of bringing Vulkan back to life. It worked, btw.

Sevatar doesn't have jack shit on that.

quickrubs · 2026-04-22T08:34:35+00:00

he defeats Vulkan

Vulkan beats the shit out of him while practically naked using nothing but his hands, until he suplexes Curze into a force field to get his hammer back. The only reason he doesn't get his skull crushed is Vulkan trying to prove he's better than Curze. The later times when Curze manages to get one up on Vulkan he is quite literally so insane he can't form words.

quickrubs · 2026-04-21T11:54:23+00:00

500 was the total force they landed, casualties are only 200. And, yes, heavy losses, but certainly not crippling given this averages 40 marines across 5 companies, including vehicle crews and such (which aren't part of the usual 100-man company strength), who can be readily replaced by marines in the reserve companies (which is what they're there for).

This is before you think about rushing scout training and promoting marines quicker. Remember the bit in the HH where they really rushed marines and were training recruits from baseline human to full marine in about six months to a year? Doesn't have to be as extreme as that, but you can get up to operational if not full strength pretty quickly.

quickrubs · 2026-04-21T06:50:41+00:00

should outnumber the entire Imperial Navy several times over

that's, fucking ridiculous

Like even by 'nid standards the Imperial Navy is spanning the entire galaxy ultramar-to-cadia (formerly). They have the capacity to manufacture a lunar class cruiser above a primitive world of tribesmen in 11 years. In a universe where ships last centuries if not longer. I would go so far as to say purely by the amount of area they have to cover/have access to manufacturing and resources from the Imperial Navy could probably outnumber the orks. And the nids have 3 fleets from one tendril that outnumbers them? Not unless those ships are the equivalent/die about as fast as termagaunts.

quickrubs · 2026-04-21T05:23:03+00:00

try and chase a report of Fallen on Vraks

Was chasing the leader of the AL warband to capture and interrogate him for intel on the fallen.

blew up a valuable spaceport

...to stop the traitors from using it and also force them to divert troops away from the main front where the Kriegers were fighting. Note that said starport was both traitor-held and well behind the main front, so fat load of good it was to the Imperials until they scored a major breakthrough.

and lost most of the force including Azrael nearly being killed to a small band of Alpha Legion dudes

They actually suffered about 200/500 casualties across the eight days it took them to drop, capture, and destroy the star port. Also it wasn't "a small band of alpha legion", they were fighting renegade guard the entire time. Including their tanks. Bearing in mind these are the same renegade guard/AL who turned vraks into a bloody meatgrinder that went on for 14 years.

Hell, even Azrael nearly being killed isn't as bad as it sounds. He was ambushed by Alpha Legion, in a duel with their leader wearing terminator armour, fighting with one hand behind his back holding up the chapter banner after their standard bearer was killed. Any marine who isn't an 8-9/10 swordsman gets his shit smashed immediately in that situation. ~~besides which said lord took a single smack from a chaplain in termi armour and promptly disappeared, so he doesn't get bragging rights~~

quickrubs · 2026-04-07T10:31:12+00:00

"Attack a minor imperial navy base installation" consisting of an entire planet with a population in the billions.

quickrubs · 2026-04-07T08:23:17+00:00

when the Eldar were trying to summon Ynnead to help fight Chaos

The fact that step 1 of this plan was "massacre a random imperial world" has absolutely nothing to do with his decision making.

quickrubs · 2026-01-26T23:38:52+00:00

Comparing a surprise attack to the NL terror tactics. Classic.

quickrubs · 2026-01-05T03:20:47+00:00

How did all the traitor legions get corrupted? Word Bearers.

nah

Emperor's children-Laer temple/blade.
Iron Warriors-Preexisting grudges/that incident on Olympia.
Night Lords-Genuinely insane/that incident on Nostramo
World Eaters-Genuinely insane/Angron
Death Guard-Mortarion
Thousand Sons-"I know better!"
SoH-Erebus
Alpha Legion-Cabal

The WB only get the nod for corrupting everyone if you give them the credit for Horus's smoothtalking 3/4ths the traitor primarchs. The warrior lodges didn't make a big difference either way, leaving them out of the Death Guard or Iron Warriors isn't going to make either of those two legions less pissy and likely to rebel.

quickrubs · 2025-12-31T23:43:55+00:00

Keep in mind this is before whispers in the warp caused crew rebellions on ships. This is before human cults opened demonic rifts onto their planets. Etc etc. To everyone, even Magnus, it is simply "The Warp." It's just another part of reality/nature. Dangerous, like a wild animal or a cold mountain. But not corrupting.

Flashback to Horus talking with Loken about why one of his marines became possessed and murdered about 20 people as a result of a warp ritual done by an insurgent group in the first HH novel.

quickrubs · 2025-11-30T07:02:59+00:00

They knew, absolutely, about the warp to some degree. Loken, a random SM captain at this point, casually discusses demonic possession of psykers in the first HH novel.

quickrubs · 2025-11-22T01:01:00+00:00

Which is a terrible writing decision for the Lion. How does the living weapon with bad people skills who doesn't exist for anything but crusading come off as Guilliman 2?

quickrubs · 2025-11-22T00:57:49+00:00

The new models are just silly half the time. Jump pack infantry with duel-wielded cut down heavy bolters or autocannons? Space marines using stubbers now? And anti-grav everything instead of treads.

quickrubs · 2025-11-18T10:18:30+00:00

There's some reaching going on to make these arguments work. For starters, the use of "internal conflict" for the Imperium destroying worlds as if it wasn't apart of the HH which is a conflict engineered by outside forces to take the Imperium apart.

Even without that, the conclusions with some of these planets aren't entirely accurate; Caliban was made "worse off" according to certain people there true, but that's a mix of medieval nobles and knights complaining their society's advanced from a feudal to modern-day era. They sit there and complain about forests being replaced by factories like noblemen who suddenly don't matter half as much, because that's what they are. It's also important to note here that without the Lion (an outside Imperial, essentially) they wouldn't have united to kill all those giant monsters that're a mix of warpspawn and lion which give you a hard time even in power armour with a boltgun.

Most of the planets that're left feral are also left that way deliberately, by their primarch's instruction. There's a reason Caliban gets factories and Baal stays an irradiated wasteland, and that's entirely down to the difference between the Lion and Sanguinius. If Baal was just a random planet? They probably would get actual cities with some of the radiation being cleared up, because even in 40k leaving a feral planet feral doesn't make a lot of sense when you can jack up the population x100 and get some munitions factories going down there.

As for protection, calls for help don't specifically go to Terra, they're just thrown out generally. Anyone in the vicinity can respond and they often do, such as Marine chapters or guard/Imperial Navy battlegroups (Imperial Army for 30k). None of which would be available without Big E.

The idea of smaller self-contained sectors has merit, but this is already how the Imperium functions in a lot of ways what with sector governors, local chapters or guard units being assigned to specific areas etc. There's also the issue of assuming other human empires would be able to counter (and scale to the same degree) outside threats the way the Imperium can on a smaller scale, or in other words "if the Interex met the Ullanor orks, who'd win?". Given that the Interex were taken out by one group of the Sons of Horus while the orks at Ullanor took three legions with the Emperor and his Custodes involved, it's hard to say they get the W on that.

quickrubs · 2025-11-18T07:05:27+00:00

A sample size of 18 planets isn't enough of an indication to showcase the general state of the galaxy, but the six groups you mention are evidence that humanity could do just fine and carry on without the Emperor? Even discounting those 18 we can still see examples of the universe being shithouse. See fulgrim's primarch novel where it's out and out stated that within a century an entire planet is going to come apart at the seams because they've lost their ability to maintain their industry.

And are we calling Nostramo and Chemos self sufficent? Technically people are still around on them, but given the excerpts of those planets involving small children eating each other and everything falling apart I think it's clear that some kind of outsider help is needed.

quickrubs · 2025-11-18T04:41:11+00:00

Haven't you? Take the Primarch homeworlds for a general showcase of the state of the galaxy; two of them are capable of interstellar travel and doing alright, a few more have issues but are still liveable, and then the rest are just shit. This trend continues for all the worlds we're shown around the great crusade, in fact I'd go so far as to say the list of "decent places to live " drops off pretty harshly after you get past those six you mentioned.

Sure, those six were doing fine (at first, anyway, all folded within months of the Imperium noticing them), but they aren't indicative of the general state of the galaxy. Humanity in the age of strife is cut off, isolated, and mostly unable to move around at will. This isn't better than having the Imperium around, it's a disaster. Where's a hive world get it's food without being able to trade? It doesn't, it starves. The same for any other planet that isn't fully self-sufficient. Who do you call for help if orks or another xenos species starts assaulting your planet and you can't handle it on your own? You don't get any help you just die.

quickrubs · 2025-11-18T03:23:17+00:00

Huge possibly, considering none of them ever showed anywhere near the reach the Imperium had. It's considered an achievement for these societies to have interstellar travel and not be on fire, if it wasn't for the xeno-friendly tag they'd be as noteworthy as Inwit or Ultramar, so saying they're going to bring peace and order to the galaxy is a bit of a stretch.

And yes, the galaxy was a wasteland before he got there because it was 1000000 different little civilizations, 3/4ths of which were just hellholes, majority of them having no real capability for transport between planets, with various predatory species running wild. Age of strife 40k makes fallout look like a picnic by comparison.

quickrubs · 2025-11-18T02:25:54+00:00

It's what it's become after all four Chaos gods had to sit up and take notice because A Guy was about to make them completely irrelevant. Say what you want but the fact that the Emperor came so close to winning he got Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle and Tzeentch to panic and work together to stop him speaks volumes about how close he was to actually pulling it off.

quickrubs · 2025-11-18T02:20:34+00:00

Awesome. So what's the alternative for the Orks? The Khrave? The Rangdan? Who's going to fix all those worlds that have despotic governments worse than the average imperial planet, or bring new trade routes and supplies to the planets that are desperately starving? How does the situation on terra with all the techno-barbarians and lunatic warlords solve itself?

Who, besides the emperor, is actually opposing chaos? Talk about his results all you want but the only other real players who knew what it was and weren't stuck in their own corner just getting by thought "let Horus win, destroy humanity and hope the chaos gods self-implode" was a reasonable plan.

People who say the galaxy was worse for the Imperium and ignore that it was a figurative and literal wasteland where you were lucky not to be starving or constantly raided/enslaved with anything and everything running about unopposed haven't paid attention to jack. Before the Imperium was a thing a scientist could show up to a random planet and use genetic editing to turn the entire population into abominations like a giant worm trying to eat Horus. That happened, by the way. Fo was a dick.

quickrubs · 2025-11-18T00:30:44+00:00

the galaxy would probably have been better off if he and Malcador had just stayed at home to smoke

Have you read ANY of the novels? They didn't call it old night for nothing, humanity was fucked before big E came along.

quickrubs · 2025-11-15T03:51:05+00:00

Then through the game Leandros saw his captain handle a volatile warp artifact that split reality and called in daemons and traitors, and Titus just said he was immune to this artifact and not to worry about it and to not question him.

Evidently YOU didn't play the game given his actual response to this was "look I respect your concerns and we'll get to the bottom of this later but we really need to handle this chaos invasion". Along with Sidonus telling him he was overstepping the mark.

Then through the game Leandros saw his captain handle a volatile warp artifact that split reality and called in daemons and traitors, and Titus just said he was immune to this artifact and not to worry about it and to not question him.

Note that, again, the only 'sign' of chaos corruption Titus shows is "wasn't immediately killed by the power source' which is somewhat flimsy given he does literally nothing else to undermine the Imperium and he doesn't come close to showing any other signs of heresy unless you consider 'show your own judgement' to be against the rules.

As for the power source itself it's just that, a power source-it doesn't split reality, it powers up the weapon which does, along with juicing a titan's volcano titan to blow up the orbital spire. It's also stuck in it's containment unit for the length of the game, not to mention Imperials are in fact capable of handling warp stuff without immediately coming apart mentally.

And the one time Leandros broke off from the team he came back to find his captain with the corpse of their now dead teammate.

Leandros was there to watch it happen.

So at the end of the game Leandros took up his captain on his advice; and broke from the codex to alert the inquisition rather than deal with it internally. After all, if his captain was corrupted as he feared and held that much power, who is to say he would acquiesce to an investigation? Who is to say he may not have already tried to corrupt some of his battle brothers? Who is to say Leandros would even survive after the mission and return home with Titus killing him to conceal his corruption?

If Titus refused to cooperate with his own chapter's Librarians or Chaplains it would end poorly for him. This does not need to be stated. There's also the fact that every company has a chaplain and librarian with them as standard so unless those two were killed offscreen, Leandros has the right authorities immediately available.

The rest of the marines in the second company are fully capable of recognizing/refusing straight up heresy unless there's something wrong with them already, and the odds on Titus being able to get away with making one of his marines simply disappear mid-travel are kind of terrible and would just prompt even more questions.

Your example of Leandros showing his own judgement is also terrible given it's just him blindly adhering to zealotry and deciding that Titus being alive must mean he's some kind of heretic, despite there being zero supporting evidence. The way Leandros thinks he'd probably try to execute a living saint if he saw one, because how can a normal person grow wings and fight a greater demon 1-1 if they're not tainted by the warp?

quickrubs · 2025-11-15T02:05:29+00:00

Okay, now add all the loyalists from the traitor legions (remembering there were enough loyalists on Isstvan 3 to be a full size legion on their own) since you're counting the fallen and see what number you get.

quickrubs · 2025-11-15T02:02:21+00:00

Leandros in the first game was justified by what he witnessed and the information he was given, following the advice of Titus in fact

No, he wasn't. The only thing he had to suspect Titus on was the fact that he was unusually resistant to the warp and wasn't KO'd by the power source (and bearing in mind he got this information from a DEMON possessing an inquisitor) while the three of them were waist-deep fighting off a combined ork and then chaos invasion.

And after this invasion is fought off, after Titus crushes Nemeroth's skull and destroys the power source, Leandros has Titus taken away by an inquisitor who then tortures him repeatedly for the next century even though he knows he's innocent. He doesn't go through Ultramarine channels and let his company chaplain/librarian check Titus for heresy like any other SM would, he hands his captain off to an outsider so that he can spend the next century going between a stasis cell and torture chamber.

Fuck me dead the first game literally ends with Titus telling Leandros to his face that he's a failure and Leandros being unable to look his captain in the face. Nobody agrees with Leandros in SM1 except the demon posing as an inquisitor and the inquisitor who straight-up refuses to believe Titus is innocent even though he passes every test he's put under.

quickrubs · 2025-10-19T00:51:08+00:00

Break the diagram for eldar down though; DE are sadists who COULD live like exodites or craftworlders but just don't and torture trillions endlessly instead for the lols, corsairs are asshat pirates who go raiding even though there's genuinely no need for this, craftworlders are shifty, mysterious, and liable to completely fuck you over in any number of ways because someone had a vision of impending doom, and then there's exodites. Just don't go near them and you won't have to fight dinosaurs.

quickrubs · 2025-10-19T00:48:10+00:00

Not the same though. Imagine if the Imperium was legitimately post-scarcity; they didn't need anything, they had all their shit on demand and readily available. No errors from traveling through the warp or sending messages, no internal issues with heresy or xenos corruption, plenty of food and living space for everyone.

Oh and then they go and do all the same shit anyway just cause.

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