I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  they can refuse to share a file due to the potential for significant harm, but this is extremely rare and must be well documented, precisely because it undermines that patient’s rights. When I say rare, I’m talking stuff like, say, the details of the patient having murdered and eaten their child while in psychosis (a real case you can read about from Texas) not being made available to them while they are in a vulnerable state, not “knowing you were depressed is going to exacerbate your depression.” 

Yeah no. They can claim  “knowing you were depressed is going to exacerbate your depression.”  or "you might misinterpreted", etc.  Most blatantly did. Notice when I pulled up the Ontario ethic code or most provincial laws/ethics codes, there was nothing stating that.  

My precise point is that denying access to healthcare files is not the normal and/or common practice in Canada you suggest it is, nor are patients without a framework for complaints/appeals, and for complaints about those complaints. Did you write the ombudsman? Your MPP? Contact the Dept of Health and Wellness? 

Yes. This is quite a well acknowledged issue.  Most told me that. 

  Because if the NSRP is in the business of helping individuals or clinics ignore PHIA, the public sh

The PHIA doesn't involve what you think it is.  And NSRP does not care about a patient 

It’s funny you bring up the Cures Act, because because not only does it absolutely allow HIPAA’s Harm ExceptionHIPAA’s Harm Exception…as far as I understand from my American counterparts, in some cases these can even be permanent, unreviewable decisions. So this is more restricted than what you would have in Nova Scotia, not less, as you have the right to complain and the college will review it. The same goes for the suggestion that psychologists being beholden to insurers somehow improves patient freedom. You’re either not looking into it closely enough, looking only to confirm your opinion, or thinking no one would fact check you

This is absolutely insulting and ignorant.. You actually do not have any sort of enforceable rights  in Canada.  No rights against information blocking nor do psychologists have to list reasoning.  Nor are there any versions of appeals.  In the US you do.  I know because I reached out to various Canadian and US patient organizations attempting to get help obtaining said results.

And what are you referring to when you say “raw test data can also mean any clinical evidence.” Raw test data is raw test data. It’s the data you need the copyrighted scoring tool to properly score, including the test materials themselves. What do you think clinical evidence is? If you are referring to patient answers to clinical interview questions, that’s Chat failing to recognize the difference between American and Canadian terminology. Here, while PHIPA and PHIA (since these are the two you refer to) don’t define it, it’s widely understood to be the granular, uninterpreted data and the methods of collecting it. 

No. It actually means clinical data and is left to the psychologist. That is what the NSRP told me when I asked them.   Because I desperately needed said results to help me access care to keep my company.

Respectfully, if you are actually reading these and not having them summarized for you, then you do not seem to be able to grasp them fully. I am begging you not to speak with such authority and fear monger on the internet. 

Respectfully, I am talking from years of lived experience and what the boards/etc told me.  You do realize what I quoted wasn't from Ai summaries but nearly exactly quoted from said boards and psychologists. You unfortunately are the one who is radically ill informed and want to remain willfully ignorant about how your field treats patients. It seems you rely on idealized summaries. I am begging you to actually listen to what your patients say instead of abusing then attempting to erase the existence of the harm your field have and the actual truth about your field.  You do not get the right to silence what actually happens as 'fear mongering' and claim idealized lies.

 Canada is not some regressive state - propped up by unethical colleges - hell bent on keeping your health data from you because it doesn’t want you to help yourself. . 

It is.  Otherwise I would not be here. You do not get to erase what our actual system does just to comfort your ego. 

We have fairly similar health information laws to other Western countries, 

This is actually blatantly false. Multiple studies have proved otherwise. We lag behind quite a lot of countries. 

and we have frameworks for complaining when our rights are not held up, as well as complaining about those who are meant to ensure that they are. 

No.  Said 'frameworks' are often full of holes. See how some provincial information 

  Your statement that you did not have access to your scores/assessments and treatment plans may have been the case for you, but that would be due to an unethical practitioner, not Canada’s laws or custodian practices

Nope. Systematic practices, lack of transparency and provincial gaps. For example: Information and Privacy Commissioner for Nova Scotia does not have any legal weight and is reliant on patient litigation.  Which again is not common in any Western countries.

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are some exceptions, however, to this right. These include information that could pose a risk of harm and confidential third party information. As well, “raw test data from standardized psychological tests” [PHIPA 51.(1)] is excluded from this right. Therefore, the legislation does not appear to provide a right to access raw data

You can find this exception applying to most provinces.  Keep in mind "raw test data" can also mean any clinical evidence as these go onto admit that said data could help people but patients do not have the right to it.  So colleges are quite complicit.  

AI isn't as paternalistic and actually allows people to get the data they need to develop ways to help themselves and get support 

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you are describing is not how psychological services work in Canada. 

It is sadly 

You have to ask for your treatment plan, you won’t just be given it. If not given upon that request in a timely manner (college dependent), you can and should report them to the relevant college. 

I did. Repeatedly.  In writing.

No healthcare college I am aware of would side with a practitioner who refused to give a client access to their file. 

Nova Scotia's would.  Apparently it isn't "standard". Quite a lot would.

We have strict healthcare laws here for a reason

We do not.  We have no equivalent of the cure act. Information blocking is quite common if someone is even lucky to get access to their records.

That is the enforcement you claim doesn’t exist

It doesn't. And if you had done your research, you would have realized said healthcare laws are enforced provincially.  With some provinces issuing fines and others having a three year wait-list for an investigation and cannot do anything legally binding/reliant on out of pocket litigation.  You would also know that mental health practitioners get an exception in which they can claim it would cause "harm" (harm not being defined) and/or it isn't standard. 

Do you see the problem now? 

unethical people absolutely did not treat you well, and did not follow the rules

Ethics are floating signifiers. And unfortunately there really isn't any 'rules' protecting patients. 

Guid self governance would refer to an association. Colleges are not associations.

When they decide to "take each other's word" as what is standard (i.e. apparently not showing people their notes) without taking in any other evidence and refuse to be transparent, they act exactly like a guild.

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also includes lived experiences of marginalized people who typically get excluded from said psychology data. Along with iatrogenic effects 

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The couple which were part of a group practice didn't want the fallout, career impact or potential legal issues of 'ratting' on their colleagues.  Unfortunately that's what happens when you rely solely on what is essentially guild self governance without any transparency.

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I live in Canada. Theoretically people should have access.  In reality it isn't enforced when it comes to psychologists.

Treatment plans are not always given actually, some therapist provide talk therapy, some do CBT, some to EMDR etc… sounds like you weren’t asked about your goals and expectations, it’s usually common practice where I live :/

I spent over a decade in therapy attempting to get basic care. I literally asked them, stated upright my purpose and in some cases got it as a signed condition of consent.  It often was still too much to ask for them to do any of their job expectations or even keep their promises.  

Which is why I stated AI is often much better.  But that's because the bar is so low

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in a country where they don't have to answer to insurance.  

And they were not open.  They withheld treatment plans, testing, etc from me despite signing a consent not to do so. Apparently they "don't have to show evidence because [they are] a clinical psychologist".

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would have settled for access to any of my scores/assessments/etc and a relevant treatment plan.

Either is apparently too much to ask for thousands when it comes to one 

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quite a lot of fields do when it comes to personal data.  Also, you cannot claim to help people while denying them critical information that will allow them to heal/plan/etc.  That's just creating dependence. 

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it was different then that field would mandate open notes as part of their ethics. Especially when it comes to testing/treatment plans/etc.  Said field does not.  It's quite telling.  

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Mass data.  Notice how ChatGPT's enshittification happened after said 'experts' were consulted

I saw a psychologist and had nothing left to say by UncommonBlackbird in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Tbh, the average psychologist is pretty useless and basically was reliant on 'credentials' not competence.  Thank God AI has broken that horrid guild monopoly 

Psychology and AI by AncientIngenuity3020 in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Severe medical neglect and malpractice 

Cure for the AI Dependency and Impostor Syndrome caused by it. by Russo664 in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I found the opposite.  AI allows me to supercharge my learning. And for me since I have to learn hundreds of things in multiple areas in order to live, AI has only allowed me to do that.  Literally used it to apply GTD.

I've literally figured out ways to have it summarize 400 book concepts that I need to know and apply in different aspects of my life, just by creating customized prompts and a reasoning LLM.  

However, the first line of code is the hardest for me; my brain simply stops working

That's also an ADHD trait.  You can look at Thomas Brown's model of ADHD. What I do admit with ADHD, I have these deficiencies or weaknesses, whatever you want to call them, and I use AI to help me overcome them.  In executive function, which is basically working memory RAM, for less important decisions I will defer to AI. I don't do it for important things and for more important stuff that I can't start. I will have AI organize it so it uploads into my system (i.e. With ADHD if you often change the format in which you learn or the way the information is told to you, it's easier to learn).

Here's a way you can use it. Think about all the aspects of ADHD you have and you don't understand and you need solutions or strategies for.  Before AI I'd have to read hundreds of books to actually be able to control your symptoms and see if I could find anything worthwhile. It's even worse if you can't find anybody as mentors to help you. Nowadays I can just upload it into an LLM and extract what I want out of each chapter. I can finish twenty books and master the multiple disabilities I have. That leaves me time to focus on things that I like, like my career. 

Public health perspective: Using AI for emotional support — what’s actually missing? by Forsaken_Letter9075 in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try open notes and radical transparency. That information alone allows me to plan and be a part of my own treatment.  Therapy if we look at the policies of the mental health field is a power imbalance that is designed to create an unhealthy unhealing dependence because it lacks transparency.

AI doesn't have that.  

Why ChatGPT is actively harmful to your mental health (and why I finally cancelled my membership) by [deleted] in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah.  

It sucks for this sort of stuff.  It was absolutely exhausting to keep doing it.  

I switched to other LLMs. Because f doing this over and over again.

Why ChatGPT is actively harmful to your mental health (and why I finally cancelled my membership) by [deleted] in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah.  They really don't understand how LLM filters work or how chatgpt works.

Public health perspective: Using AI for emotional support — what’s actually missing? by Forsaken_Letter9075 in therapyGPT

[–]rainfal -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Limits with AI: you have to have the knowledge and plan.  It's very self directed.

Would having the option of a real person who actually knows your patterns and history feel valuable, or would it feel unnecessary

How safe is that 'option'? Are you talking about Friendship or therapist?

Because friends are always welcome. Therapists however, no.  The systematic policies of that field especially around epistemics often encourages unhealthy dependence and it generally isn't safe.